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More snow, more problems - with video

Jan 09, 2009 - 07:40:17 CST

By CRYSTALR. REID
Bismarck Tribune

Everyone is prepping for more snow today to add to the piles of white stuff the area is already buckling under.

Road crews are looking at pulling longer shifts. A meteorologist says there will be blowing snow risks. And some residents are probably staring at their driveways and mailboxes, wondering when delivery will be restored and why getting out of their garage means a feat in car-versus-snowpile physics.

"Our mailbox is blocked and the snow was brought in by a snowplow,"said James Kubisiak, who lives on a cul-de-sac on West Arbor Avenue. "It's seven feet wide and four feet deep. They won't deliver mail because of the snow."

Residents are responsible for the snow on their sidewalks and for 15 feet on both sides of streetside mailboxes, even if the mailbox is on the street, said Dixie Bentley, officer-in-charge at the post office. That means clearing away the snow pushed up against the curb by the snowplows; if a delivery person can't reach it, service will be delayed.

Residents receive notice of the unsafe path and must clear it out before delivery will be reinstated; after three days of noncompliance, mail will be held at the post office for residents to pick up.

But Kubisiak is still frustrated.

"The snow that's in there didn't fall,"Kubisiak said of the path in front of his street-side mailbox."It was pushed in there and plowed in there by the city plow. They tell me it's my responsibility to get rid of it. Where do I put it?"

It could just get worse with the forecast for today. Patrick Ayd with the Bismarck office of the National Weather Service said the area could receive 5 to 8 inches of snowfall over Thursday night and into this afternoon. And high winds means visibility could be reduced to less than a half a mile at some points in the afternoon.

Wind chills could drop to about 20 and 25 below, too, Ayd said, and some areas in the southwest may receive some freezing rain.

The forecast has city crews prepping to work 12-hour shifts to clear the roads, but there's not many places snow can be pushed other than near driveways and up against the curbs.

"If we get eight inches,"said Rod Kudrna, an operator with Bismarck roads department, "a lot of snow is still going to go in the driveways."

Kudrna said they were still working 20-hour days even before today, trying to clear the streets and get areas cleaned up.They had moved into the downtown area and were cleaning up the college streets; cleared snow is trucked to four dump sites around the city, Kudrna said.

Kudrna added that the snow gates are the reasons why they can't plow close to the curbs, adding that they had received a lot of calls about problems with mailboxes.

"We do try to help them as much as we can, but we can't get every mailbox in town,"he said. "It's a tough responsibility for both homeowners and us to work on this problem."

(Reach reporter Crystal R. Reid at 250-8261 or at crystal.reid@bismarcktribune.com.)

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NDFREEZE wrote on Jan 16, 2009 1:53 PM:

" In your last city of bismarck bill they just told you that it is your responsibility to clean the fire hydrant near your house -- I tried to keep ours up but no the city dumped the snow from the neighborhood on top of the hydrant. There is now about 4-5 feet on the hydrant, before that I had it visible and could be used -- now nada. "

Geoff wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:52 PM:

" Here is an issue I haven't seen discussed yet. I'd be interested to hear other opinions. Fire Hydrants. I happen to have the neighborhood fire hydrant in my yard, on a corner lot. As the snow continued to drop I began to notice that it was beginning to be buried. It concerned me, not only for the safety of my own house, but for that of the neighbors. So I spent about two or three hours cleaning about ten feet all around it from the road into my yard. I know it's closest to my property but don't you think the neighbors would be concerned about it also?

I talked to my brother in MN about it and he said that in his town they bring inmates from the county jail and go around town and dig out all the hydrants. A pretty good idea I think. I just wonder how many hydrants around town are completely buried.

As for my neighbors, rest easy. "

Southwest wrote on Jan 15, 2009 8:50 PM:

" To on line editor ---- you are right, I grew up in centeral ND and remember the "66 blizzard very well-- there was not alot of snow cover the days before that blizzard in March, it came up fast and caught alot of folks off guard, when the winds, and snow stopped there were snow drifts as tall as 2 story buildings, Don't remember alot of complaining but do remember alot of neighbors helping neighbors. "

veritas wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 PM:

" Yep, time to get out of ND "

Dakota Patriot wrote on Jan 15, 2009 9:58 AM:

" 44 below in Bismarck this morning! You liberals have fallen for the global warming hoax! HA! "

Mandanite wrote on Jan 14, 2009 6:32 PM:

" Mary: I agree. I was just telling my hubby that there is a car at the end of our street that has been sitting there for at least a month (and probably longer) and has not moved. First of all, it should have been ticketed long ago, but now it should just be towed. It is blocking the entrance onto the street (which is narrow the way it is) and making it more of a 1-way street than it already is. "

Mary wrote on Jan 14, 2009 4:33 PM:

" I agree that they need to start towing cars off of the streets. If they've been parked there long enough to get plowed in, my guess is that the people don't really need them, and they're creating a driving hazard for the rest of us. "

WOW wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:15 PM:

" First thing, all of the complaining has done some good. I've seen improvement since day one. Second thing, I won't have to worry about the salt and gravel ruining my lawn next to the curb this spring since they keep plowing five feet from the curb. Good things are happening!

I agree they need to tow all cars left on the street. Better yet, I say let the plow take them as they go. It's easier for the crew to follow a straight path.

I don't know what public school is by St Anne, but the parents are the issues; not the snow. Yes, the lanes are smaller, but it appears common sense shrinks as the path decreases. "

James wrote on Jan 13, 2009 12:04 PM:

" To Singlemom Just do what I do when my neighbors park their cars infront of my house when they could be doing it in front of their houses. I call the cops. I have told one of the offenders to his face i was the one who called. They live on a corner lot and have enought space to park about 6 cars on their curb but no they want my spaces so I call. I am at the point if it is there more than 24 (they have 48) I call. "

Single Mom wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 AM:

" This morning as I drove my daughter to dance practice at 5:15am, our street was terrible! Thank goodness for 4 wheel drive and just enough room to squeeze thru cars parked almost in the middle of the street. When I returned home, the crews were just hitting the street. It was amazing to watch these guys turn those big machines around in the middle of the street because they couldn't get thru the cars. At what point will cars be towed, seriously? I've seen the tags on cars, but my neighbors just simply dig the car our finally and move it to another spot. The car in front of my house has been there for at least 3 weeks. The crew just buried the backend this morning and I laughed my butt off when I saw it. I say enough with the tickets and the warnings, etc. Just start moving those cars already. And great job to the 2 crew members there. Not a ridge or bit of snow left at the bottom of my driveway, as I had shoveled it open last night. "

Mandanite wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:33 AM:

" To okay....

Here we go again. Just because people don't like the way the snow has or has not been moved does not mean we should move out of state. This is a legitimate complaint and is actually a hazard to driving. My street has been reduced to 1 lane driving in some spots because of the high snow banks and the occasional person that leaves their vehicle on the street, thus causing excess snow on the street. This is nonsense, especially if you have a driveway to put it in. I think these vehicles should be towed. "

Mike wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:17 AM:

" To Okay:
Noone is stopping you from enjoying the snow, if you enjoy it so much what are you doing on here on a computer and reading all these comments when its snowing out there again. If you dont like people whining about something dont get into the blogs. "

ree wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Snowfall totals - source Bismarck, Mandan City Magazine Jan 09 page 3 (thecitymag.com)
Time Period 1960s Low 19 High 50
1970s Low 21 High 85
1980s Low 11 High 80
1990s Low 25 High 102
2000-2007 Low 19 High 65 "

okay... wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:43 AM:

" so I have one thing to say

IF YOU DON'T LIKE ALL THIS SNOW---MOVE OUT OF THE STATE SO THAT THE REST OF US CAN ENJOY IT! "

Hog Man wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:22 AM:

" The streets just keep getting narrower and narrower in this town. Thankfully, I live on a street where none of the residents leave their cars on the street and the plow operators have the ability to do their jobs more effectively. The plow ridges are "only" about 8 feet from the actual curb on my street. In my dad's neighborhood, every Tom, Dick and Harry leaves their cars on the street all the time, and most of the streets are reduced to a single driving lane. It's only a matter of time before the plows themselves can't even get through. I've seen the reports on TV stating that the city will begin towing vehicles if they're left on the street. Shouldn't that have been going on over a month ago? I'm about ready to haul in my old Case payloader from the farm and start moving snow AND cars... "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 13, 2009 7:19 AM:

" To Cynical Independent: I'm 36, and yes, I've seen the photos too. I have lived in the Bismarck area most of my life, except for college in Grand Forks and a stint in the Minneapolis area right after college. Thinking back, there seemed to be a lot more snow in the late 70s, but I was much shorter then, maybe that taints my memory. The reality of this winter is that this past December was the snowiest month ever recorded in North Dakota - not the snowiest Dec., but the snowiest single month. As Reid and Michael mentioned in today's weather story - we are more than half way to breaking the all-time record of 101.8 inches set in the winter of 1996-97. I've seen the pictures too, the blizzard of 1966 looked terrible, but the overall winter must not have had as much snow. Maybe the fact that snowblowers weren't household items had something to do with it - it would sure make this winter seem even worse. "

Cynical Independent wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:37 PM:

" To Online Editor: I have no idea how old you are or how long you have lived in North Dakota. There are those of us who were kids back in the 60's and 70's that have pictures of snow drifts high enough to walk on to the roofs of houses. I'm not sure if I can find the pictures which my parents probably still have stashed away somewhere but I'm sure there are readers here who still have theirs. I don't know if we actually had more snow back then but I can tell you that the drifts where sure a lot higher. On some country roads it was like driving through a tunnel and every time we got a little wind the roads would become blocked within a couple of hours. Those were the times of the 3 day blizzard which we haven't seen here since the 70's. "

TAXPAYER wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:02 PM:

" I am not complaining. I am just wondering where my money is going. I also am concerned with driving in the town. You can't go anywhere safely. The corners of the streets have such high drifts of snow that you can't progress through the intersections safely.

So when you are in a accident, you may not think that we are whining. "

funding wrote on Jan 12, 2009 5:18 PM:

" I am pretty sure the budgets were worked using $4/gal fuel. Is the city buying fuel under contract for $4+ or is there an excess in the fuel budget that allows for the extra time/fuel/sand costs? I'm not buying the statement of lack of funding/over budget. "

driver wrote on Jan 12, 2009 4:42 PM:

" TO: Lu
I live 10 miles north of town. Other than a few spots where the drifts were so high on either side of the road, we had no problem getting into town. Taking my kids to daycare in town, we had no problem. My dad called from out of town at 8:49am and I told him it was fine in town. Nothing much, I would have been pretty upset if I had to take a day from work, because they called off school and the day was like it was.
I also want to say Thank you to all the crews that have been working on keeping the roads clear. Sure we may not be happy with where all the piles have ended up, but sometimes we just have to deal. "

dan wrote on Jan 12, 2009 2:15 PM:

" I was out and about today with a small sports car and the roads on Century,Washington,and Divide were terrible, this mush of snow piled in the streets is what causes accidents. I was up last nite at 2 am and the snow had stopped coming down with beautiful calm winter skies. I feel there is no reason as to why the public works could not have been out clearing some of these major streets. By later this afternoon when the wind picks up these roads will be totally impossible to travel on. But, then again thats public works for you never thinking ahead. Yes and if I was given a plow I would do it the right way and think of others in how they would want there streets cleared. "

Soldier wrote on Jan 12, 2009 2:06 PM:

" My brother was told by the City of Mandan that they do not have enough funding to remove all of the excess snow that is plaguing everybody. Not sure how that is even possible but that is the last that I heard. "

Mandanite wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:35 AM:

" To MR: I agree that this snow needs to be hauled away. I don't think there is any reason why it can't be. There have been enough days between snows previously that they could have been doing this. I realize they are busy, but then so are the rest of us. Do a couple of days of 24 hour days and it would help immensely. Also, up by the Middle School this morning, cars were getting stuck and there was a huge snow drift that made it virtually impossible for the buses to get through. Doesn't the city think they should get that street plowed as one of the first things. Also, the street that goes to 1806/Collins from the Middle School is absolutely atrocious to drive. The snow definitely needs to be removed from there. It is only a 1 lane road now and is an extremely busy street. "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:19 AM:

" To Kathleen: Thanks. "

Kathleen wrote on Jan 12, 2009 11:11 AM:

" The Tribune has added the sbnowfall for the month/year in the weather section. The only media in town that has this, thank you! "

MR wrote on Jan 12, 2009 10:54 AM:

" I know that no one from the city reads these. I live in hilly NW Mandan. I am 5"4" and the way my house is situated, I have nowhere to put my snow anymore as all along my driveway and sidewalk I am now hurling snow over my head. I will admit, I put some of it on the piles left in front of my house by the plows, but please can someone come by and take the snow piles off the streets? I think that with the weather we have been getting, they are doing a decent job of making the streets driveable, but there are a lot of areas where I live that are slowly turning in to one lane traffic because there is nowhere for anyone to put thier snow anymore. In bismarck, I have seen equipment along the streets hauling the snow away, could we do the same? I know they are busy just trying to keep it plowed, but isn't there a way for us to do anything, hire a contractor with capable equipment for instance? I know that this would be spendy, but we need to keep our roads safe and help our residents by finding a place to put thier snow. I pay taxes so these things get taken care of and some years we may end up spending more than we budgeted. It is weather, you can't predict things like this to have a set budget. It needs to be taken care of. There have been plenty of years that we haven't had to dip in to the budget very much; in my opinion, that money should be carried over for times like this instead of being absorbered somewhere else. "

Digger wrote on Jan 12, 2009 8:12 AM:

" As others I have been battling to keep the area in front of the mailbox clear -- I have 5 in front of my house, yes all my neighbors boxes are there and only one bothers to help clean. What bothers me is that the snow crews have four empty lots that they could push the extra snow to and they won't even bother. They have the big equipment, I don't. Then they (the city) tells me they won't be using their snowgates anymore -- I have 4 feet in my yard so where do I pile it now? "

Lu wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:43 AM:

" Who is the nitwit that decides if there is school or not in the Bismarck public schools?I can not believe that Bismarck is having school today when there is a BLIZZARD WARNING and there is NO TRAVEL ADVISED !!!!!!!Since when is it more important to have school than be concerned about the safety of our children?This is just plain crazy to risk the saftey of our most valuable assets to have school on such nasty days.So what if they have to go one more day in the spring. At least they are safe!!!!! "

Mike R wrote on Jan 11, 2009 3:50 PM:

" Online editor: I noticed the same thing. Far all those who claim that this is an average winter, they apparently missed the part about this year setting records. "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 11, 2009 9:41 AM:

" To Snap and other readers: I have read several times that folks remember winters with more snow than this. I question this statement - December went down as the snowiest month on record, plus the storm we had in November and the recent snow. Is it possible that we have had winters with more snow as of the beginning of January or was it just an era when cars didn't start as well and winter clothes weren't as warm? I agree that winters past may have been more difficult, but it seems that this may be the snowiest so far. "

Snap wrote on Jan 11, 2009 4:55 AM:

" "I can remember many years that we have a lot more snow than this! Living in the country we had roads blocked for weeks! No school because the buses could not get through."
Hey! I was wondering, is this why so many North Dakotans are ignorant? Missing so much school, I mean! Haw hawwww! "

Shovel it or blow it wrote on Jan 10, 2009 11:13 PM:

" Let's all plan on moving those mailboxes to a more convenient place to limit the amount of shoveling or snow blowing. The post office seems to like to place their central delivery mailboxes in the middle of a block on property lines so that at least TWO property owners are responsible to keep access to the mailbox clear. SOLUTION: Place it at or near a driveway so that the owner shoveling his driveway already has that 15 feet before or after the mailbox shoveled. ITS his/her driveway and will want that cleared to get the vehicles in/out. NOW we only have to worry about the other 15 feet INSTEAD of a total of 30 linear feet.
PROBLEM with this is the careless person backing out of the driveway.

SO when summer finally comes and this white stuff is all gone, have the post office come out and move those centralized boxes to either side of your driveway or move your single curbside mailbox to the same location to save an additional 15 foot of shoveling/blowing. WE all love to shovel out the driveway, who likes shoveling out the mailbox. MOVING it will make it easier on everyone, including the letter carrier.

I would highly recommend you contact your local postoffice prior to moving your mailbox. Better yet, cut through the political crap. Who knows better at where your mailbox is best placed than your local REGULAR letter carrier. Speak with them to help save yourself a little low back pain. I'm sure they would like to help solve part of this problem.

Another advantage of placing the mailbox near a driveway is the city worker can keep that snowgate down just a tad longer or drop it a tad sooner and help both the property owner and lettercarrier out. "

Geoff wrote on Jan 10, 2009 1:09 PM:

" Snow shovel:

I've been thinking exactly that, but you said it best. Thanks for saying what had to be said. Thanks to all our city, county and state workers working around the clock to keep this under control. You are appreciated. You will get us through this winter then focus your efforts on all the potholes the spring thaw will bring. It doesn't end, but please know that there are many people out here that appreciate what you do. "

Real Guy wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:54 PM:

" I think Phil Gramm was right. We have become a nation of whiners. Buck up people. "

wife of a plowman wrote on Jan 9, 2009 4:31 PM:

" I would like to thank Snow Shovel for thinking of the men driving the plows. "

Snow shovel wrote on Jan 9, 2009 3:22 PM:

" I'm not sure that I can direct this comment to any one person, but I see the usual sit at home, on the couch, wine, and complaint that Bismarck city employees arent doing their job right etc, etc, etc, type of people. GIVE THEM ALL A BREAK !!!!!!!!!!! I dont know of a peice of equipment anywhere that doesnt need frequent maintainence when its being used as hard as the plows and trucks have been. These guys are working in shifts, around the clock to keep the streets OPEN for emergency use, general travel, and general use. These guys are not out to make sure that you have a level pile of snow. When they can, they will move the snow, and only from emergency routes first. It makes me so upset at all of the ignorant people we have living in this city that think everything is rosey fresh and could be done better. Have any of you chronic complainers thought of moving somewhere else, maybe somewhere where everything is perfect? Oh I forgot, your too lazer to get off your backside. And another thing, have any of you thought that maybe these guys would rather be at home, sleeping, or spending time with their families?, rather than out moving snow? If you can do it better, maybe some of you should step into the spotlight so we can all be enlightened, until then........SHUT YOUR MOUTH, AND LEAVE THESE GUYS ALONE TO KEEP THE ROADS OPEN.......where would we all be without our city and state employees working to keep us safe and going ????????? "

To Arlo wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:36 PM:

" You do know that it is illegal to shovel or blow snow into the street,right? "

alonzo Scarecrowshooter wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM:

" To: TD I just happen to know a few kids (7) who are more than willing to assist these people living on a fixxed incomes. Provided their children met us and helped us, we will assist them thru the "trauma" of shoveling a path to their mailbox. I think the underlying gripe here is that some people find any excuse they can to either shirk the work or blame some "buddy" who has limited responsibility. Last time I had a Public Works employee come to my door and check to see if I was elderly or under some undo stress was when I last threw stones at them, chasing them from my yard, in their attempt to solve all my problems. My ferious attack dog tore the bloody boot off the guy, I still have the dog and I have been trying to sell the boot at my yearly rummage sale ever since with no takers........maybe next year, after they realize they may need the "boot" in the next year when we are going to be above our knees in snow........I sympathize, but please, lets just do the right thing and move the snow, by next year Obama's plan to stop the snow forever, will be in place and nobody will have a complaint, or will we? "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM:

" To MIke: The video was shot yesterday before it was snowing. What you don't see is the drivers coming in at the same time I was there. A fresh crew was just starting their day and leaving the shop a few minutes later in the sanding trucks. "

No Wonder wrote on Jan 9, 2009 12:43 PM:

" No wonder the streets are in the shape they are. Did you watch the video? Most of the equipment is in the shop . . . coffe time mayber, or just warmer inside. The snow is outside get that equipmnent and sand trucks moviing gentlemen. "

ks wrote on Jan 9, 2009 11:20 AM:

" Thank goodness for global warming. If it weren't for that, I don't know if I could stand this winter. "

Single Mom wrote on Jan 9, 2009 11:14 AM:

" Give it up folks. Get off your butts and do something about it. I got out there last night and shoveled the driveway and sidewalks and the opening to the driveway. Repeated this morning. You know what? The city came by and plowed and there was no snow left in my driveway. I made the operators job easier by clearing my driveway so he/she knew where to drop the gate. It works like clockwork that way. Running out of room? I simply called a snow removal company and had them come in and push all the snow to the center of the yard and far into the backyard. Now I have room for a while for more. If need be, I'll call to have some of it hauled out. But buck up folks. This is a normal winter. We've become too spoiled the last 10 years. And remember, we didn't have snow gates then, these guys are still learning how to work them in such heavy snow fall. I think they are doing their best just to keep up. By the way, push your kids to get out and shovel. I rarely see that. It's good for them. Fresh air and a little physical labor never hurt any kid. "

AirPort wrote on Jan 9, 2009 10:30 AM:

" All I have to say is we have the best Maintenance people at the Airport and it shows with the snow plow jobs they do. They put in long hours also, up to several days keeping the Airport open. Thanks guys. "

Independent wrote on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM:

" We all need to suck it up. The problem I have with clearing snow around our mailbox is that the box is shared by 9 homes. Usually only one retired gentleman does it, but if I am home, I will either do it or help. He gets no pats on the back or a big thank you from anyone but me. I have told him we should let it pile up and maybe when they don't get their mail they will finally take their turn.

Thanks Bob! "

JP wrote on Jan 9, 2009 9:35 AM:

" This is a record snowfall!! There are going to be inconveniences... I remember when Katrina hit in the south and people talked about how sad it was that so many people down there expected to do nothing and have the government come in and bail them out... all they did was complain... blah, blah, blah... I would hear people brag about how in ND we at least know how to take care of ourselves... now all I hear is people complain that either the city didn't move snow, or moved it into the wrong pile... Toughen up people, this snowfall is not easy on anyone... but you better learn to deal with it, we got a couple months to go... you may have to step up and do a litlle extra yourself and not expect the government to do everything for you... Plow drivers have hundreds of miles of roads to take care of... can't we all step up and take care of the 15 feet around a mailbox... "

Hog Man wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:51 AM:

" What about the dangerously high snow piles the city has created along major thoroughfares? On Wednesday, the city crews were out on Airport Road pushing back piles so they could perhaps get within 6 feet of the curb eventually. In the process, they piled the snow alongside the street higher and higher, to the point where it's dangerous. Leaving our business on Airport Road, it's a gamble. If you pull out far enough to see around the massive snow pile, your front end is out in the traffic lane, primed for a collision. I understand that these crews are stretched thin and working their butts off, but this is a flat-out dangrous situation created by a lack of forethought on the part of the Public Works people. "

TD wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:47 AM:

" To Dew Drop and Alonzo what if these people are old and can't get out??? Maybe they are on a fixed income. What if there SSN check comes in the mail.....Lets face it some snow plow drivers don't give a darn where they push the snow and some just have a mean streak in them. "

arlo wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:14 AM:

" Get out and shovel! The city can't even keep all the lanes open on the emergency snow routes, so don't expect them to care about a few mailboxes. Borrow a neighbors snow blower and blow out into the street, it is just snow. "

Snow shovel wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:13 AM:

" I've lived in north dakota my entire life. One of the things you learn to have at your home (AT ALL TIMES) with all other tools is a snow shovel. I know that anyone can get one. They are most easily found in stores and sell anywhere from $10 to $30 or more if you want a Cadillac shovel. I think the key is to actually use the shovel more frequently, especially before you need heavy equipment or a small army to move the snow pile. In summary......get off the couch and quit waiting for someone else to shovel you (or your mailbox) out.... Dah "

mandan resident wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:49 AM:

" O.K. people would you rather have to shovel a small path to your mailbox because the snowplows cleared your road, or perhaps the snowplow could stay off your road alltogether and your mailbox would be just fine. See the problem here? You complain when the plow gets some snow in front of your mailbox or driveway. And you complain even more when they take an extra hour or two getting to your street after a snowstorm. You're a homeowner take some responsibility or pay the consequences. "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:35 AM:

" To TB: Thanks for pointing out the error, I fixed it in the online version. "

TB wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:33 AM:

" I believe you meant Rod Kudrna not Kudrnas. "

Dewdrop wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:33 AM:

" OK whinners.... get out there and shovel it onto your lawn or hire someone to do it! This is still ND.... WE GET SNOW! DEAL WITH IT! One can always just pick the mail up from the Post Office! I get so tired of hearing people whine about the snow.....I can remember many years that we have a lot more snow than this! Living in the country we had roads blocked for weeks! No school because the buses could not get through. Relatives that milked cows had to dump their milk because the roads were closed! These were main roads, not little country roads! People, it is not going to get any better, we are having a ND WINTER! "

alonzo scarecrowshooter wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:32 AM:

" Suck it up, people you chose to live here, it snows sometime, it sounds like you complain all the time, what did you do fifeteen years ago when ND had real winters? If you want to stand back and complain, go join your Katrina friends and be displaced somewhere else, where you think the grass is greener, or there is alot less snow to deal with, me I will take ND anytime and remind you, that you have nothing to complain about other than the fact that you forgot what a real winter is really like and just thought it would be nice to blame somebody or something for your lack of responsibility, go get your mail at the post office, they still did that fifeteen years ago also..............and all of ND is sorry it snows.....LOL "

Jeff wrote on Jan 9, 2009 7:15 AM:

" I guess snow will stop the USPS "

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