Bismarck, North Dakota - Looking to fill jobs Bismarck, North Dakota: Looking to fill jobs - There's a sense of desperation in the comments section of a recent survey taken at a Michigan job fair: When asked what workers there need to have to consider moving to North Dakota, the answers varied from "money"to "moving expenses"to "a job."

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MIKE McCLEARY/Tribune The lack of a workforce in North Dakota and Bismarck-Mandan is evident as an abundance of jobs in retail, food service, technical and professional job openings continue to remain available.
Nov 16, 2008 - 04:05:23 CST
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There's a sense of desperation in the comments section of a recent survey taken at a Michigan job fair: When asked what workers there need to have to consider moving to North Dakota, the answers varied from "money"to "moving expenses"to "a job."

"Honestly, my wife and Iare starting to file bankruptcy,"one unemployed Michigan worker wrote. "I'm looking for a change. I'm not sure yet if it's what God wants. With his blessing, I'd leave here in a heartbeat!"

The survey was conducted by the Workforce Development Committee by the Bismarck-Mandan Development Association at a job fair in Grand Rapids, Mich., where fellow Midwesterners have watched their jobs get shipped overseas, their manufacturing plants and the supplemental supply industries shut down even before the national economy began to dry up.

It's a problem that has only grazed North Dakota and the Bismarck-Mandan area, most notably with the upcoming shutdown of the Bobcat Co. plants in Bismarck and Gwinner for six weeks in the winter.

But the main problem many are concentrating on is the lack of a workforce in the state and in Bismarck-Mandan, an area apparently rich with jobs.

North Dakota's unemployment numbers continue to hold steady or, in some areas, decline. After the nation posted its highest unemployment rate in 14 years at 6.5 percent, North Dakota's labor statistics boasted a 2.8 percent unemployment rate, with 4,000 more jobs added in September than in the previous year.

In Burleigh and Morton counties, that's 2.4 percent and 2.7 percent unemployment, respectively. Statewide, there are about 16,000 open jobs.

"It's a phenomenon,"said Steve Herman, chair of the Workforce Development Committee. Herman said they've been working with Monster.com to market the area; executives at Monster have said the area is one of only a couple of regions experiencing such low unemployment.

Experts point to the state's agriculture and energy industries; the latter of the two continues to advertise for more workers to work rigs and other labor jobs.

The industries within the area that continue to suffer from lack of workers appear to be in service and hospitality, health care and technical jobs. Janelle Frederick at St. Alexius Medical Center said they are in a constant state of need for food and housekeeping workers. Signs across town continue to advertise jobs in retail and other areas. And technical and some professional jobs still go unfilled.

"It's been a struggle with the workforce out there right now,"Frederick said.

There have been several efforts in the state to bring more workers in. Most visible, perhaps, has been the Department of Commerce's efforts to recruit former North Dakotans; in fact, the Experience ND Career Expo was held on Saturday in Denver to help match former North Dakotans with jobs in the state.

But that effort might be too slow for some.

"When we look for former North Dakotans, these are employed people,"Herman said, adding that he was not speaking for the committee. "It's literally going to take dynamite to blow them out of where they're at."

It's an effort that has worked for several families. Experience ND is all about North Dakota, a fair where participants come to talk with several of the companies represented. Saturday's career expo hosted 80 companies from North Dakota, representing jobs all over the state.

"We've seen good signs that we are moving people back into the state. We want to stimulate that, we want to increase the flow,"said Shane Goettle, head of the North Dakota Department of Commerce. "We want people to think of North Dakota as a place to look at jobs."

Goettle said the Michigan job fair, however, was encouraging and will be used as another way to bring people into the state.

"We've got the situation where our economy, despite what's going on nationally, is still holding out with literally thousands of job opportunities,"he said. "It's a great, great time to try to turn the tide and move people into the state."

Herman would like to see at least 20 to 25 new workers placed in the community, which is why they're scouring areas of high unemployment. Like Grand Rapids, where more than 8 percent of the eligible workforce is out of a job.

Maureen Downer, program manager for Michigan Works, said she's seen first-hand the tight situations workers are getting into. And although the state may have an issue with other states picking at its workforce, she said that, personally, she recognizes workers need jobs and they need them fast.

"My thought is wherever you can find a job that can meet your needs, go,"Downer said. "Folks don't just likely pick up and move. They have to be in a difficult spot to do that. It has to make sense."

Herman said none of the people surveyed had a problem with the idea of North Dakota. They just wanted to be secure in a job.

"In all of the people (surveyed)in Grand Rapids,"Herman said, "not one of them said they would not relocate to North Dakota. Weather was not an issue."

The issue is money. Herman and his committee recently told the mayor's Economic Development Committee that funds of $250,000 to $500,000 could eventually help them help workers get to the state.

"It takes a lot of marketing on the Internet and it takes a fair amount of money to go after these folks no matter where they're from,"Herman said.

For workers in Grand Rapids, they cited relocation needs, mortgage buy-downs, travel expenses; many said they'd be willing to move for the right job. Some cited salaries needs of $400 a week, others needed salaries in higher ranges to move.

Andy Levin, deputy director of Michigan's Department of Labor and Economic Growth, said the state works hard to help employers find talented workers in state, and to help the workforce get the skills they need to get jobs in Michigan.

"We do not work on finding workers jobs in other states,"he added. "If employers want to come here and recruit, it's a free country."

Herman and the development committee are working with area employers to head to Grand Rapids again in January, this time with the hope they'll match workers with jobs.

"We're putting data together,"Herman said. "And then we want to develop incentives as to what would entice these people. Preliminarily, it doesn't look like it's going to be what any of us would consider a great deal of money per family."

(Reach reporter Crystal R. Reid at 250-8261 or at crystal.reid@bismarcktribune.com.)
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Dontbelieveit wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:41 PM:

" Response to In defense of Business: I would just like to know low the bottom is? I just want/need an explanation. It has been a hard road and I understand all of that. I also understand starting at the bottom, I was born on the bottom and have come a long ways. I would just like to know if these businesses hire from within then why are they seeking out employees from out of state? That still doesn't make sense to me.

It's just very frustrating for the young people of ND to be told "stay here" and be happy that you shouldn't leave your roots, when the roots are being deprived of the water that they need to stay here in the first place. "

sam wrote on Nov 29, 2008 9:58 AM:

" well if they like to "hire from within" then they should not post the jobs! "

R2D2 wrote on Nov 28, 2008 10:27 PM:

" From the looks of it, it seems that there are a lot of people right here in the state that want the opportunity to work for some of these employers that are recruiting out of state. Who funds the economic development committee? I guess I don't understand how it works. Is there a way we can find out what employers are needing employees and then for what salary ranges they pay? Could the economic development committee focus there time, energy, and money on people who live here already? "

in defense of businesses wrote on Nov 28, 2008 5:04 PM:

" All of you stating you are not getting a chance for a job, ever think that the employer may be promoting within?? I have worked at my job for 7 years, and for the first time applied for something that looked interesting. I met the minimum, but got the rejection letter. The letter spoke that other had more experience and education than me. I had multiple years experience and I have a bachelors. So that tells me that they gave a chance to either an overqualified individual or someone internally. I know when I hire people to work for me, I always have hired internal. So that means that you have to start from the bottom and prove yourself. "

Dontbelieveit wrote on Nov 28, 2008 3:50 PM:

" You have got to be kidding me right?

"When we look for former North Dakotans, these are employed people,"Herman said, "It's literally going to take dynamite to blow them out of where they're at."

What I would like to know is why are these top people looking for 'former North Dakotans' to fill the employment in the state rather than actually hiring the young people who are staying in ND to begin with? I am 26 have grown up here, went to college here, have two degrees and a minor. I have years of work experience in mental health/drug/alcohol rehab, customer service, and financial services with a local credit union as well as managment skills acquired from being a manager at a grocery store.
I have been applying across the state and so far I have not gotten even an interview. The letters that I have gotten back state things like "thanks for applying but the position has already been filled" or "you do not have the job experience so you do not qualify for the position". What I would like to know is how is a person suppose to get experience in ND if a North Dakotan employeer won't give young North Dakotans a chance. You want to know why the state is searching for out of state employees? It's because they don't give the youth a chance and so they have to leave, gain experience and then this state is begging them to come back. Little backwards if you ask me.
I am actually looking at leaving the state in order to get a decent job, or at least a job where I don't need a part time job on top of a full time one to pay my bills. When is this state going to look at the people it has instead of searching for those who left??? "

JP wrote on Nov 28, 2008 11:37 AM:

" To Scary Times- Just to be clear I am not trying to judge or pick a fight, but someone calling me "SO ignorant" will get a response. I go back to my post where I stated "I will take less qualifications with a hunger to learn and achieve over someone who has incredible qualifications who feels the job is below them"... You stated you "even" apply for those jobs for which you are over qualified. It comes off as if you could come in on the first day and be better than anybody there, as an employer, would you want that attitude from a new employee? I will hire somebody that "wants" to be the best and is willing to work to get there over somebody that believes they are already the best. If being over qualified is such a hindrance, don't state all of your qualifications... just the high points... ease up on the employer by not overwhelming them with information. I still go by the old saying that if I have problems with everyone around me, at some point I will realize that everyone else might not be the problem. The same goes for employers... If I have a problem with all the employers, the problem might be me... I am a firm believer of fixing things within myself before i go blaming others... I wish you good luck in job hunting... and have a great holiday season. "

bismarck driver wrote on Nov 28, 2008 8:27 AM:

" The one difficulty I found while job searching for a year was that if I took temp work so I could pay my bills, suddenly my hours for interviewing were gone. It's pretty hard to explain to a new employer that you need time off right away, at short notice, to interview for other jobs! It might be better to take a fast food or retail job, since you can work evenings and leave business hours open, if you can deal with the lower pay. I also don't understand how you can learn about the position before the interview -- other than the short description in the ad, where do you get that info? "

Scary Times wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:31 AM:

" Thanks Prof for the insight! I have applied at several of the places you mentioned - Have not even received a phone call. I will check out the BSC one as I wasn't aware of that one. THANKS!
To L - here is your qoute from above:
"As of right now there are jobs here in ND. If you want to work, get a job. It may not be in your field or something you want to do. It may not even be the location you want but do what you have to do." (JP this is for you as well).
I cannot believe you are SO ignorant - If a person is OVER-qualified, those employers will NOT consider you. Trust me, I HAVE applied and continue to apply for even those positions. I have been a manager for 15+ years, am educated, experienced....etc...I have interviewed 100's and 100's of employees - And I imagine, I am more versed in the interview process than most - I don't say stupid things.
Blessings to you others in the same boat as me - it is NOT easy in our position. "

JP wrote on Nov 27, 2008 11:58 PM:

" Dave- Though I am not currently going through it, I do understand the frustration. It took me a couple of years to get into the field I wanted and even then it wasn't really what I wanted, but I was close. Had to waste my time with many jobs to pass time, but I learned something from each one... tried to gain an experience to bring to an interview, stuff like that. You aren't blaming employers and that is a good start. It sounds as if you are actually trying improve yourself in the process, and that is good. Yes, it is possible to be overqualified... I will take less qualifications with a hunger to learn and achieve over someone who has incredible qualifications who feels the job is below them... Not sure of your situation so I hope you don't feel I am judging, just sharing an opinion and ideas... hopefully, you are able to find the job you are looking for... soon. Good luck. "

dave wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:09 PM:

" JP: Good pointers but have you ever heard of a person being over qualified??? I have been in the work world since 1985 so I think I should know a thing or two about how to get a job. I have a profolio filled with all my qualifications,resume,transcipts,and cover letter ect. I even do the follow up with thank you letters after every interview to each potential employer. So yes, I have asked myself what is it am I doing wrong? I have new dress clothes that I wear to interviews,I shower up and present a clean appearence. So what is it? I would like to know what I am doing wrong??? After being rejected time after time it does get to be rather upsetting. Just think how you would feel after having one disappointment after another. I know that it is a part of life but to have it repeat itself over and over after awhile it gets to be alittle hard to handle. "

Socks wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Geez L - It is the same at other local call centers. There are many internal applicants for one prized job. The advancement is there, however, you have to be there for many years first. When I moved to the area and got the job, I thought with my past knowledge I would quickly advance. Ha, ha, the jokes on me. Now I am stuck. I looked for other jobs in my field. They pay less than what I making now. Where I work, they do pay a decent hourly wage for the work done. The job itself can be mind numbing. I will keep plugging along. "

JP wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:10 AM:

" From what I have read, many people need to brush up on the interview skills. Learn to be humble yet sell yourself. Stressing to the employer how over qualified you are is a turn-off. Learn about the company and the position-- then explain why you are the best fit with concrete examples of why you feel that way... The attitude of "I am so good that I could run this company, but I will settle for an entry level job" is a huge put-off to most employers. Learning how to get a job is a skill one must learn on top of actually knowing how to do the job for which you are applying. Getting passed over for jobs is a part of life... it happens to everybody at some point. However, if you are continually getting passed over it may be time to look at what you are doing... instead of blaming employers. "

jay wrote on Nov 27, 2008 6:29 AM:

" To L, For every company that lays off 150 employees.......... Makes another 150 more people that I am competing against for a job that is opened. I have spent 6 long months trying to replace my employment since losing it from a layoff. I have been to the ND state,college web sites,job service,the tribune,spherion to name a few places to find a job. All I have received so far is a rejection letters, a handful of lies frome potential employers with no response back one way or the other after an interview, a few email rejections, or my favorite one...... no acknowledgement at all. Oh there is jobs in North Dakota if I wanna work 2- 3 15-20 hour a week positions with low pay and no benifets. A person would think that having 2 college degrees you would be able to get hired somewhere???? Anywhere????? afterall I am not a high school dropout so I think I at least deserve something better then a lowing pay job. Its frustrating more then
anything to continously be turned down job after job. The only people on this blog that seem to understand me are those that are going through similar situations and KK ,by the way thank you for your support. We just want others to realize how bad it really is out there. So stop telling me what to do, I am not stupid nor lazy otherwise I wouldn't be up looking for work at this hour if I was nor spend the past 6 months in hell searching for a job just so I can at least have a roof over my head. "

Just Amazing wrote on Nov 27, 2008 12:57 AM:

" I keep thinking about the 30k jobs that Hoeven keeps bragging about bringing to ND personally, then I think to myself "did they put up that many Toco Johns in this state?

Most jobs here are low paying service jobs. This state will never retain college graduates as their are no jobs for them. Then there are all the layoffs going on, and more to come down the road. "

Geez L wrote on Nov 26, 2008 5:22 PM:

" I have been working at sykes for over a year. I interviewed for a management position, but was told I would have to go through the training first, after I came out of training, not 1 word was spoken to me about the job I interviewed for. I didn't whine, when they gave me hours that went well past anyone's bedtime, I didn't whine, when I was past up many times for positions I am very qualified for, I didn't whine. So now, a year later, even though I interviewed for a management position from the begining, I'm still in one of their positions that has extremely high turnover rate. What do I do L? I feel they sold me on one job only to lock me into another. I don't want to rock the boat, but I'd really like a position that lets my resume speak for me more than sitting at a job that is dead end and holding on to the hope that they will take me seriously at the next round of inhouse interviews, cause toiling away at a sweatshop for a year hasn't opened any new doors within this company. I feel so disappointed L, but ur right whining doesn't change anything, but maybe letting people know that it isn't so cut and dry here in North Dakota is what all these people are trying to do. I couldn't imagine not letting someone vent about frustrating situations outside the workplace, unless you were a manager causing some of the frustration. "

Bis Prof wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Scary times:

I also checked Rasmussen but could not find their HR page, so you might try that. UTTC has some openings, U Mary does not. Have you checked the ND Stae gov page?

BP "

Bis Prof wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Scary Times.e go to the BSC website. Uner Prefessional Positions you will find "Student Finance Relations Coordinator"
Best,

BP "

L wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:30 PM:

" Things will get worse before they get better. I don't know what you have experience in, I don't care that you are educated or what you have a degree in. As of right now there are jobs here in ND. If you want to work, get a job. It may not be in your field or something you want to do. It may not even be the location you want but do what you have to do. I believe ND will feel the effects of the financial meltdown to a much greater degree before it is over. Like I said, as of now there are still jobs available in ND. If we sit and complain and whine long enough they will be filled. "

kk wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:59 PM:

" and read today's paper~ another 150 job layoffs in Grand FOrks~ for professional degreed people! What do you say now? they should just show up and ignore the times????? "

kk wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:57 PM:

" some of you people JUST DO NOT GET IT! THese people are saying that they HAVE EDUCATIONS THEY HAVE DEGREES AND THERE ARE NO JOBS!!! Read their words before you start your preaching about"{take a job go to work do not call in sick blah blah blah" THEY KNOW THAT!! "

L wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:26 PM:

" If complaining were a job, there are a few people posting here that are on overtime. It seems as if some want to start at the top. The world seems to be more of a 24/7 then ever before. There are plenty of jobs with irregular working hours. If you want the M-F eight to four thirty then earn it. There are most likely employees that are working their way towards more regular hours. Nobody owes you anything. With all the attitudes of "I deserve it","I am better then that","I am entitled", I can understand why you are having a hard time finding the job you want. I would not want to hire someone with any of these attitudes. Get a job, and go to work, do not skip work because you don't feel like going. Make it a point to learn from your experiences and give more then expected. It may take time but good things will happen. "

Scary Times wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:33 AM:

" Well, another rejection letter later.....I understand that "money" isn't everything, and I am not looking to make $65k yr again. I don't want the hours, and I don't want to lose anymore quality time with my daughter. However, I did not realize how hard it would be to "step-down" to a lower paying job(s). I assumed with my experience,skills, education, I would be able to find something rather quickly.....WRONG. I discovered that I am a flight risk, an intimidation, over qualified to those lower paying positions. What is not considered by these intelligent individuals, is that having been and manager, I know how important it is to show up for work, do your job well, and be an asset to the company you work for. I was tought well by parents who instilled this in their children. The only other time I was out of work this long was a stay in the hospital, upon being released and put on disability, I could not stand staying home and begged my boss to allow me to go back to work, he apprehensively agreed, and only if I didn't punch the time clock...I returned a month b4 I was supposed to - so Yah, I AM a hard - dedicated worker.....just can't get past the over qualified mentality here. So begins another day of job searching. Blessings to all for a Happy Thanksgiving "

Intelligent jobless brownman wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:19 PM:

" There aren't any jobs here worth having, I'm tired of people saying "well look at all the help wanted signs" Well what if I want a job where they don't advertise on their windows? OF course there are oceans of customer service jobs, as for technical jobs, I don't know how technical screwing bolts onto atvs or what ever assembly job is available, but where in the heck are all of mon-fri, 8-430 office jobs, darnit I have skills! Man those michigan people will be running for their lives after 6 months of working all these, dead end, menial, mind numbing jobs, that OF course are in abundance, cause no one wants them. "

GARRY wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:50 PM:

" So, I want to hear again that story about that young girl that just finished college
from Puerto Rico!? Who go a job with soil conservation,& is going to go out ,& tell the farmer's of N.D. how to manage their land!! Now that to me is the craziest
thing I ever heard of!! So,you say there are no jobs in N.D.?????? "

L wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:42 AM:

" A lot of bickering about wages. It is not about how much you earn it is about what you do with what you earn. If you are paying your own bills, it is nobodys business what you earn. If you can save for retirement, even better. There are people making $30k that are far better off then some people making $100k. wealth is not measured in just dollars. If you make a $100k a year and are only 1 paycheck away from losing it all, you should not be bragging about your income. ND is doing better then most parts of the US. This is true especially in the oilfields. If you are working in the oilfields, I hope you are paying close attention to the price of crude. In the beginning of this mini boom everyone thought this one would last a lot longer then the last one. Unless the price turns back upward there is a dramatic slowdown coming very soon. already drilling rigs are already being stacked in the weeds. 2bokz "

John wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Haze just for the record could you tell me where does attitude fall into place with people having to work 2-3 jobs just to survive their financial needs. Jobs in North Dakota don't offer high pay unless your working in the oil field industries, or your a professional holding a masters degree and above. Most North Dakota citizens having nothing higher then a bachelors degree with a few that do hold higher degrees. The jobs that are available are mostly fast food, retail, and factory work with low pay,parttime hours and/or no benefits. I have been searching for a replacement job since my lay off 6 months ago, so I for one am more experience in what North Dakota has to offer work choice wise then you do. To cut down others with your so called book smart knowledge is a joke in my book. I worked hard for my 2 college degrees and achevied and accomplish probably a heck of lot more then you ever will in your lifetime. Your oil field job will soon come to an end or your drug dealing business will be busted and then the time will come and you will be crying to me to feed your family. Ya know the old saying what goes around comes around,your time will come mark my word. "

adios wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:32 PM:

" an aside--

to the morons that claim nepotism. How in the **** could that possibly effect unemployment in ND? I'm guessin public schoolin? "

haze wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:25 PM:

" kk - sorry I offended you. The article is about the jobs in ND. Obviously you will keep your blinders on keep hating anyone who isn't in your situation. Maybe if you changed your attitude you wouldn't have to work 2-3 jobs. I really am sorry you have such a miserable life. "

Me too wrote on Nov 24, 2008 8:46 PM:

" Haze...LOL!!! Thank you for putting it into words. That was a hilarious comment and I needed a great laugh. So thanks. You may want to come out of the haze :o) "

adios wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:54 PM:

" If youall think it's bad in North Dakota, you aren't paying much attention to the rest of the country. Anyway, good bye, good luck, and don't let the screen door... "

kk wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:50 PM:

" to Haze~ you probably are a member of the "good old boys" club already and if not, if the shoe fits, wear it, do not be so smug~ remember"pride cometh before a fall" and your fall may be just around the corner.

Do not taunt these people that are trying to make a living and achieve a quality of life. Do not preach all your garbage-people are tired of it. Make a difference "

L wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Let supply and demand dictate wages, which will ultimately reflect on wheather ND has in or out migration of people. Do not spend state money bringing people to ND to work jobs that do not pay a living wage, if we do our tax dollars will partially support these jobs forever. Will the oilfield jobs in the western part of the state slowly disappear as the price for crude declines. ND producers are already taking huge discounts on the crude because of transporting costs to get it to market. ND is known as a conservative state and may attribute to our somwhat isolation of the financial meltdown the country is experiencing. I think it is more important now then ever before to move forward with a conservative approach. "

haze wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:57 AM:

" Economic Conservative - where did you get the idea I have NO education? Just because I don't have a formal degree means nothing. Being book smart doesn't always make it in the world. And we didn't LAND jobs in ND. We made them. We worked hard for years and finally achieved.

kk - pretty soon I'll be part of that good ol boys club too? heh heh?! "

jay wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 AM:

" To Big D: Just to clarify things with you, I did and always have shown up for my jobs on time and rarely ever missed a day of work. The lay offs still happened not by my choice but because of people like you who didn't support the business I worked for couldn't meet the sales for the year. I was not brought up in a well to wealthy family, I worked for everything I do have and never got things given to me on a silver platter. My parents taught me the turn value of owning things the hard way because they couldn't afford to give me everything I wanted. I learned to work for things and if the money wasn't there then I learned to do without it. I despise that you would classify and judge every person on here as being lazy just because we have low paying jobs in this state. You go to other states and they get over excited about having a North Dakotan worker because we are known to have good work ethics. "

sam wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:36 PM:

" to BIG D~ show up where?????? You people amaze me talking about these great jobs BUT you cannot put a company name to your words. We are saying we are LOOKING so show us the place! "

kk wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:32 PM:

" to Haze~ you are unbelievable~ you may as well kick these people in the gut. How pious and pompous of you to be so above everyone with your pat answers. If you are so wealthy and so knowledgeable why don't you open a business and hire some of these people?

face reality or shut up but quit your glib answers. "

Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:27 PM:

" Wanting the truth to be published is complaining, is it Haze? I read in an earlier post that you have no education and yet your household income is in the upper 15% of the state. You must be a native ND'rs to land jobs like that. In any event, what I suggest is you exit your fantasy world and visit the real ND. It's not all dollar trees and affluence. I suggest that our government officials stop misrepresenting ND as something that it is not: it is not the land of opportunity, unless corrupt government, low paying jobs and public assistance are what a young family is looking to relocate for. "

The Big D wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:34 PM:

" I have to agree with some of the previous posts about ND workers being lazy. I use to manage 30-40 employees on a given day in Bismarck. Most of them we had to fire for not showing up or for being late on a consistent basis. To be fair, wages are lower in ND which creates the poor attitude and work ethic. The great ND work ethic came from our parents who had to work for every dime to spoil their children. To be fair again, earlier generations didn't have to spend 30-50k for a good education to get a good job. Never the less, show up and work hard and better opportunities will come your way. "

haze wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:14 PM:

" Economic Conservative - what suggestions do you have then? To keep wallowing in hate and self pity and do nothing but complain? Seems that's what you are best at. I'll keep my happy little bubble - thank you. "

jay wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:12 PM:

" To Haze: Trust me I am very well educated probably more then you are ? I lived in this world for an extended amount of time and have had to start over many times before. When I am down I pick myself up and hold my head up high to bring an income back into my household. Calling me lazy is not a word you should be judging me or anyone else who has been laid off from our places of employment. The only person to judge me is God and God alone. until you have walked in our shoes you have no clue as to what we are going through. The ecomony is bad due to high fuel costs,high food prices ect. people are not spending the money
due to these costs. Retail stores,factories and the like are suffering as a result to save these businesses from going bankrupt and closing their doors they have to
cut corners as well. To do this in saving their budget they have to elimanate a sum amount of employees by either cutting hours, demotions, layoffs, or forcing
early retirements of their employees. I have been searching for jobs in the Bismarck/Mandan area mostly because I wanna stay here. My family lives here and I love the community but my options of finding a replacement job has not been sucessful and I am now given much choice anymore other then to look
outside of the area or state because of this. Its winter time now and it is not a very good time of the year for me to be living in a cardboard box in this state.
If you are such an upscale person Haze, then offer me a job, otherwise sit back
and keep you mouth shut. As from what I can see you seem to be clueless of what the real world is about. "

Unemployment Rate Isnt Everything wrote on Nov 23, 2008 4:33 PM:

" The reason we have such low unemployment is because people have to work two or three part-time jobs just to make ends meat. If the unemployment rate also measured those working in multiple part-time positions instead of a full-time position, the rate would be much higher. "

Randy394 wrote on Nov 23, 2008 4:27 PM:

" Look at the job listings in todays newspaper, and what jobs do you see? Construction and labor, part-time retail & food, and low-paid administrative assistant positions. Apparently if you want descent pay you have to work in the oil fields or in some other labor-intensive positions. Most people are not suitable or capable of those types of positions, and the reason I got my college degree was to have some kind of job in a professional environment, not a labor or retail job.

If everyone opened their own business, there would be no one left the staff the others. What average person actually knows how to operate a successful business? Look at how many local business fail, probably because they didnt have the proper knowledge.

Even if you do have the knowledge, it can take years to bring home any income from a new business. If you are looking for a job now, chances are you need immediate income, and cannot afford to wait for two or three years to see any reasonable income.
Theres only so much room for a certain type of business within a city. If everyone that wasnt happy with their job opened their own business, the city would be overwhelmed with a whole bunch of business that all offered the same products or services. "

Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 23, 2008 1:41 PM:

" Wow, start a business, go back to school, work harder...are you people for real. I have a question for those of you living the ND dream, if there are so many "good paying jobs" available in ND, then why would anyone need to start a business? I can tell you one thing, I am glad my wife and I don't depend on ND monies to pay our bills. Guess most of you "dreamers" haven't noticed that ND is getting hit by the economic climate of the country right now, not 10 years from now as has been the case in the past. Take a drive around the state: farm implement dealers have their lots overflowing with unsold equipment, companies are laying off workersin wholesale numbers, oil prices are dropping like a rock, markets throughout the world are NOT rebounding, county social services offices are getting record numbers of applications for fuel assistance, local governments are facing cutting services due to out of control rises in prices and school districts are being forced to cut spending due to lack of tax dollars. Through this all, our Governor has once again kept quiet due to his having no answers to this downturn, and is sure to suffer a quick decline in his popularity as a result of his luck running out. I can't wait to hear from the ever optimistic and all knowing Dew and Haze 6 - 9 months from now. "

haze wrote on Nov 23, 2008 1:06 PM:

" Those are the attitudes that won't get anywhere. It doesn't always take money to make money for yourself. I started with NO loan - just made it happen. Don't choose something that takes huge start up costs. What is DOES take is hard work and long hours.

I expected most of you to react that way you did - too bad. Choose to live in your hate and self pity and keep complaining that nobody will hire you. And - no silver spoon in my mouth - NOBODY gave me money. "

kk wrote on Nov 23, 2008 11:10 AM:

" ok I have heard enough from these people that are telling others to just"DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT"~ it is not that easy, trust me. I have relatives that are trying everything and it does not work. You that have so much and are so smug about how much work there is and wealth, your time will come and then we will see what you have to say about getting an education or starting a business. Unless you have been there, you have no right to talk about it. North Dakota is a tough state to break into and those of you that disagree have never tried. "

sam wrote on Nov 23, 2008 11:07 AM:

" to DEW~ really? just that simple? I have done that and I am tired of tightwad NDers~ they will not pay for anything so sounds great BUT unless you have tried it, your words are void.
People are hurting in ND and all of you nay-sayers are just adding salt to the open wounds. Face reality ND has alot to offer BUT it is not jobs and businesses that is for sure. "

Me too wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Scary times and Jay: Please dont let these people bring you down. I so understand what the both of you are going through, not quite to the same exteme because I am only at about 50 resumes but this gives me an idea. Open a business...wow that would be really smart right now wouldnt it. Apparently some of the readers on here have no idea what is going on with our economy. One day that massive bubble will burst and they will be on here blogging to see if maybe there is some hope. I personally was hoping to see what the competition really is and I have learned that there are some "over qualified" people such as myself and some people who really havent a clue. Loving ND has nothing to do with it!!! I think we (Scary times, Jay and I) have all said that we love ND, but...ND as a whole isnt as great as we would like it to be. Also one more thing, obviously there are many people on here blogging that havent left our great state either. Leave and come back, then your mind will open a bit!!! "

harpua wrote on Nov 23, 2008 7:57 AM:

" There aren't any trees in North Dakota either... "

Dew wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:45 AM:

" sam: A lot of people have started busiinesses in ND... A lot are starting up businesses right now! You have to have the IDEA to begin a business that is going to do well in ND and then talk to friends that can help you either with Ideas, money or to go into business with you. Then start out small.... Don't expect to get rich over night! One does not need a college education to begin a business although it helps but if you can get into one of the service type industries, heating and cooling....etc.... there are so many oportunities out there for smart people... Bismarck- Mandan is the place to be right now! "

Dew wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:37 AM:

" Left ND: I think the main reason you left ND is because of the weather.... You saved that for last...... but, YOU do know we cannot change the weather so why even bring it up? Actually SOME people do love the winter weather! I can't wait until we get more snow! I love the snow and we have not had much the last 12 years.... Can't wait to get out that snowmoblie this year! And if you like it elsewhere... fine, that makes more room for people that do LOVE ND! "

Scary Times wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:04 AM:

" Dear Laughing - I am applying for one job after another - apparently you don't read thoroughly. I am considered "over qualified" (I have submitted over 100 resumes in the last month. I woke at 4:30am this Sunday morning to get started on all of the new postings in Sunday's Tribune, Job Service, Snagajob, CareerBuilder......etc.....I am relentless in my search. I have agreed to take a Huge pay cut, work multiple jobs...etc...need I say more. I do ohowever need to make ends meet as well as you or anyone else. I AM DOING something about it - EVERY day. Glad you are so high and mighty and can laugh about it. Think about that when you are in a position someday wondering how you're going to make your next rent payment, put food on the table, tell your kid you have to wait to buy them much needed socks - where is your empathy? I have never had to go through this before - but I tell you what, when I "HAD" I sure made a point to extend some empathy where needed - and give back to the community. Not that I need your empathy - I am just making a point (I really hope you don't have to go through this sometime) blessings "

jay wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:19 PM:

" To Dave,Haze, and Laughing: When the time comes for the ecomony to continue to slow it will certainly affect your job too. And then maybe within a few weeks you will be standing in the unemployment line as well. If there is so many jobs here then why has it been 6 months since my lay off and no one still has hired me? Please explain that?? My work ethics are strong. They always have been, I can out work almost anyone so don't even go there stating that I am being lazy,because if I was I wouldn't have had 400 applications in the market now would I??. If Haze would like to give me the money to start proceedings of opening a business, then fork it over. I am all game to get my propective business operation open. If all you blog posters had spent your relief check at my previous employment instead of using it on bills, I still may have a job today and not be in this predictment that I am in but due to low sales my job was evaporate with no chance of ever being give a recall. "

Laughing wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:12 PM:

" I think the reason nobody is making any money is because they are too busy posting their next comment in reference to the last inconsequential comment instead of working! My God folks, if you don't like the way things are, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! "

Scary Times wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:18 PM:

" Wow - Thanks to those that are on the same page...As far as the others are concerned - yah, you live in bubbles, are very lucky, and/or were blessed with the perverbial "Silver Spoon". Blessing to you - I will await that check to open my own business.
And to Dave - Yes, now is a time in Bismarck, where it is an Employees Job Market. By this I mean - the lower paying, no benefit, I don't know how many hours I'll get this week jobs. Trust me, I managed in those businesses, and it's aweful. I don't know where you work, but where I have worked I HAVE seen some of the hardest workers for crappy wages (bless their hearts!) Me personally, have never worked a job where I was twiddling my thumbs, wasting company time - I WAS raised with work ethic, and a driven personality. As a Manager - I work along side my hourlies and expect no more than from them, that I do myself. They in turn respect me. ND employees AS A MAJORITY, ARE hard working individuals, and have for the most part been raised with work ethics. There are always a few bad apples, but not a lot. "

sam wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:12 PM:

" to Haze: you have got to be kidding me right? Start a business???? With whose money???? Do you NOT read what people are saying??? They do NOT have enough money so what kind of business do you propose? You obviously live in a bubble somewhere in ND "

Dave wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:22 PM:

" I really do not think there is a shortage of workforce here in the state. It is very simple, the people here are very lazy and just do not want to work. Period. Everyone here always tells how great the work ethic is in nd, my dad had a saying, when you have to go around telling everyone how hard you work you are trying to make up for something. "

jay wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Oh Scary times I so agree with you. I love North Dakota born and raised here and may have to leave, I lost my job 6 months ago due to a lay off that many of you are very unaware of because it didn't get the kind of publicity that Bobcat or Home Depot got but, still I lost my job. I had all the bennies to go with it which i no longer have. I have maybe 6 weeks of unemployment left and multiple rejection letters telling me thanks for the interview ending with good luck with your search. I cleaned out my savings just to live until I was able to collect an unemployment check, I have two college degrees so going back to school is not an option if the two can't even get me hired in the profession I went to school for in the first place. During my job searches I have applied for nearly 400 jobs, yes you heard me right nearly 400 in over 6 months. Of them if I do get called in for interviews either they send me them lovely rejection letters or they lie to me and never respond back with an answer instead they leaving me hanging. Its frustrating because I am out there looking, so why won't anyone give me a chance??? I have no criminal record either so my background should be clean. So tell me people I willing to listen to your advice. "

haze wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:12 PM:

" Why can't you get out of the "I have to be a wage slave" attitude? Start your own business and be your own boss. Be in control of your own life and don't rely on someone else to pay you that hourly wage. The possibilities are endless if you really want it. "

Me too.. wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Scary times indeed. I went back to college and incurred more debt that family cant afford all awhile I was having a positive attitude. I told myself, "I will do something about our financial situation and one day I will be providing more for my family."
After earning a seeming lousy degree at the top of my class and many "you suck" letters...The attitude now is I guess I better go out and great me one of the great jobs...so we can try and make ends meet. I thought about going out an earning my MBA, but because we have kids and want to raise them in a safe place, we will stay here. Here, where if you are one of the lucky ones you may end up making $35,000 with and MBA. I do love ND but honestly have thought we need to sell and get out before it is too late. I am not sure what to do anymore either. I went to college, and held a positive attitude and all the "you suck" letters are beginning to win. And to think with all the lay offs at Bobcat the competition for some of the good jobs is only going to get worse. "

Scaryl Times wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:30 AM:

" $750 rent
$150 utilities
$300 car payment
$150 insurance (full coverage)
$415 prescriptions (no health insurance)
$300 (groceries-school lunches)
$150 gas for car
$200 other bills (medical - incidentals)
$2405.00/mo Single-working class Mom, No child support - no Assistance of any kind. Have extenssive experience in Managerial fields, however, am looking for a position that offers quailty of life. Am willing to take the "cut in pay", but resume after resume, interview after interview, I am "over qualified, or considered a "flight risk". I realisitically need more than $15/hr to make ends meet. I do not live extravagantly, I don't even have cable tv, we don't go out to eat but once in a blue moon. Unemployment won't last forever, and I WANT to work. (My Temp. position ended that I had found earlier this year)
Any ideas? I cannot move as I share custody with my ex husband, I'm pretty sure they won't hire a 40'ish woman in the oilfields. (It does make a comical mental picture though!)
I hate to have to start looking for a refrigerator box big enough fo my kid and I to live in for the holidays. THAT is a scary outlook, especially when you ARE a qualified individual< who wants to work. was making $25/hr, and willing to take a job @ $11.50/hr (yes, and have to take another part-time job). HELLO, I wouldn't have appllied if I wasn't interested in your company. The rejection letters stating that although I was definately qualified, but decided to hire someone, "more suitable", are killin' me! Especially after an excellent interview.
Think of it this was - yes she WAS a manager, hmmmm...I'll bet she knows exactly what I have to go through every day as a manager. She'll respect that, she'll know how important it is to show up for work every day, she has excellent skills garnered from working her way up through the ranks......hmmmmm. Need I say more, wake up ND employers, I need ya! "

billy bob wrote on Nov 21, 2008 7:49 PM:

" Where are these technical jobs of which the article mentions? Or do they just pay $20k? I moved back and there really aren't many technical opportunities here. If the economy crashes any more, I could be leaving again...because of lack of good jobs here. "

CS wrote on Nov 21, 2008 1:34 PM:

" That's why Hoeven took credit for creating 30,000 new jobs. North Dakotans need to work 2 to 3 low paying jobs to make ends meet! Go Hoeven! "

Randy394 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:28 PM:

" I am one of those Bismarck natives who moved to MN for better jobs, and then was tempted back to Bismarck last year. I took a $12K pay cut for a job at the same caliber as before. By the way, cost of living is not necessarily lower here when comparing the difference in salaries. Housing here has sky rocketed to an unbelievable amount, and what do you get when you rent an apartment in Bismarck nothing more than a roof over your head. The most luxury you get from even a new apartment building is a detached, unheated garage and maybe, if youre lucky, washer/dryer hookups in your unit. Merchandise is usually more expensive, largely because of the increased transportation costs to transport them from the Minneapolis distribution centers, and of course gas prices are always much higher here.

There may be a lot of jobs here, especially in retail and service, but they are mainly part-time jobs, and there are few full-time positions. Since Ive moved back, Ive seen North Dakota businesses holding job fairs in other states what about those of us who are already living here? I would have had a better chance getting a job in North Dakota staying where I was.

The few good jobs that are available here are having upwards around 200 applicants. If there were all these great opportunities out there, why are so many people applying for these jobs? Only one of those 200 will get that position, and 199 will be forced to continue looking.

I never wanted to leave Bismarck in the first place, and was eager to return when I heard about all these great opportunities. I have sadly had to face the facts that if I want opportunity and pay, I probably will have to leave my family and friends once again. "

BJB wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:23 PM:

" Oh, I forgot to mention....I have a 4 year degree. I don't make a ton of money (I'm a teacher), but I can make ends meet. I suppose I could make more money in any other state, but I can't imagine raising my kids anywhere else. "

BJB wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Quality of life in ND for me means: no traffic in the morning or after work, wide open spaces, clean air, I am close to family, affordable private schools for my children, lots of outdoor recreation activities, my kids can play outside without me worrying, low stress lifestyle, low crime, I know my neighbors, community with a strong sense of values, friendly people, good public schools, and did I mention no traffic? "

To Haze wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:24 PM:

" I went back and got a 2nd degree. It didn't do me any good in ND. I worked hard and by ND standards had good jobs. Making around 42k a yr, I didn't do anything because I didn't have the money. You made reference to worthless degrees, well a degree in management in not exactly worthless nor is a degree in electronics. ND just doesn't want to pay. Your right I could have gotten a second or 3rd job to help pay my bills. I did that for awhile. But then where does the quality of life come into play if you are always working just to pay your monthly bills. I do like to spend quality time with my family but if your working all the time you never see them. Trust me I was not living beyond my means. I had just what I needed to get buy and no more. I'd also be interested in knowing what people mean when they say quality of life. Please give us all examples of these wonderful quality of life ideals you all talk about. "

bismarck driver wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 PM:

" haze -- thanks for the condescending attitude, but I've got a good job that pays my bills and I was not whining about my own situation. You did contradict yourself in your two earlier posts, and there was nothing wrong with me asking for clarification! Have a nice day! "

haze wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Bismarck Driver - I'll explain it s-l-o-w-l-y so you can understand......basically it's out there if you want it badly enough. Degree or no degree. Quit whining and go find what makes you happy. If that's money - then so be it. If it's quality of life - then achieve it.

Nobody will do it for you - make it happen. "

Came back Wanna leave wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Yes, there are indeed a lot of JOBS available in Bismarck-Mandan. But none of them qualify as CAREERS. I didn't go through college and work my tail off gaining valuable experience and climbing corporate ladders in professional fields elsewhere (outside ND) so I could come back here and brush up on my fry-salting skills. But that's about what's available around here. "

bismarck driver wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:02 PM:

" haze -- you don't make any sense. First, it's "go back and get a second degree if you don't like it" (paraphrase), then it's "the laugh's on you b/c I'm rich w/out a degree!" Well, which is it?! Getting a second degree means little or nothing to so many companies. They want the overqualified person who's got a decade or two of experience but wants to stay in ND and is therefore willing to take low pay. I'd like to know what this "quality of life" thing in ND is all about....if your income is that low, how do you afford to do anything besides work and eat? "

sam wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:09 PM:

" to Haze- you must be living in lala land. What about the guys that are losing their jobs at Bobcat? Do you think they believe you that a degree is going to help tomorrow? "

oilfield wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:21 PM:

" Do you people realize all it takes to work for oilfield service companies is a clean driving record??? They are willing to train and willing to pay. You can make $50000+ per year with only a high school education or GED. Granted it's not Monday thru Friday, but ever heard the phrase "Work hard, Play hard"? If you want a job making more than $30000/year call up Schlumberger or Halliburton or Sanjel. They would love to hire people with technological experience. "

haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:08 PM:

" To To Haze - also - Denver is great - I absolutely loved it when we moved there but you will tire of it. The traffic, crime, bad schools - believe me - you'll be looking back at what you left in a few years. It took me 10 to come back and it was the best thing we ever did. Love ND!! "

haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:06 PM:

" kk - I'm sorry you are so unhappy with everything in this state. Complaining about the taxes, the good old boys clubs, jobs.....wow. Life really IS what you make of it. If you choose to look at things with a sour outlook - then that is what you will get back. "

oilfield baby wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:55 PM:

" Wow- my husband started in the oilfield in 2000, making $55,000 a year. After four years he made $75,000 and I was able to quit my job to stay home with the kids. After eight years, he makes $255,000... And you know what? The oilfield is ALWAYS looking for help- currently, starting wage at most companies is $27 per hour. And most rigs are short handed.
He spent four years in college- working towards a degree to become a high school math teacher, so his jump up the pay scale isn't because of a college degree- its from hard work and the willingness to sweat... "

Law wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM:

" I don't understand why people want to bash on one another for living here or for leaving. Live where you're happy, I like it here and I'm sure I could make more in Chicago or NY but I don't want to live there but I sure like visiting there so I can understand why someone would want to live there. Just not for me, doesn't make me better or worse.

To To Haze, how did you get any savings if your jobs didn't pay enough to live? You were the one that went to college and chalked up the big loans. Noone is required to pay them back but you. If you need to work 2 or 3 jobs because you didn't research your career decisions before you earned two worthless degrees then you need to. "

kk wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM:

" to Haze~ give me a break! Go back to school! If these guys are trying to support their families and are already degreed then what good will another degree do? Good for you that you came here and you and your husband are living the sweet life~ hope it lasts.

ANd please~ the typical ND response"if you don't like it, leave" that is NOT the issue~ the issue is that ND pays peanuts and does not take care of the people in the state~they go outside and lie a bout the great job market~ and just an fyi~ I know plenty of people that fell for that line "

To Haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:29 PM:

" I'm sorry you went back to ND. I left ND in June and am wondering why it took me so long to leave, I lived in ND or MT all my life until now. I have 2 degrees and I was working full-time and a part time job and was still having to live out of my savings. Something people don't realize is just because you have a degree and stay in ND doesn't make your loan payments any less. People need to go where they afford to pay their loans back. I went from making 40k a yr to 60K. I was at the top of my pay scale in ND for my profession but have plenty of room to grow here. I can now afford to go do thing and not worry about finding more part time work to pay for it. Yes ND does have a few good points but boy they are far and few between. I have been back to ND once since I moved and was ready to leave as soon as I got there. Until ND decides that it wants to be part of the future and not stay in the past it will never get any better. "

haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:54 PM:

" To ND Conservative: honey - I'm not in a "haze". I'm living reality. Moved from Denver and my spouse and I make over $120,000 a year - double what we made there. It's all in what you are willing to put into life. And the best part - neither one of us have degrees!!!! Guess the laugh is on you. "

ND Conservative wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:51 PM:

" There are more poor paying jobs than good paying jobs in ND. That is the fact. Yes, quality of life makes up for some of that. Regarding laziness, "Haze" has it all wrong. Yes, education does make a difference. However, you can have all the credentials in the world, without jobs they are worthless. That is a fact. Maybe "Haze" should get out of his/her "haze" and study economics 101. The vast majority of jobs in Bismarck are retail/service sector. What is the excuse for not ponying up the cash for the majority of workers in the area? "

ND Conservative wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:43 PM:

" There are more poor-paying jobs than good-paying jobs in N.D. That is the fact. Yes, quality of life here makes up for some of that. As far as attitude, I think "Haze" has it all wrong. Alot of people work 2-3 jobs with a college degree. You can have all the credentials in the world, without jobs they are worthless. That is a fact. Perhaps "Haze" should get out of his "haze" and go back to school to study economics 101. "

Law wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Some career options aren't available in large quanities in ND. Its a fact. Therefore if the companies with those jobs can get quality applicants at the wage offered the wage will not go up. I feel for those who want to live here and cannot find a quality position. If you need to go elsewhere then you need to go elsewhere, it isn't bad its just the way it is. Noone owes you a job in the state at the pay you want, go where the pay is. Evidently someone is happy with the pay that is being offered or it would have to be higher to attract employees. If you took the time to get multiple degrees then you had better go where the pay takes that into effect. (Give me good common sense anyday) I know plenty of my classmates that have moved back to the state after 10-15 years elsewhere. When these qualified people are willing to take jobs here for the lesser pay it helps keep the pay down. "

haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:12 PM:

" the money is out there if you work for it. If you are one of the poor souls who have to work 2-3 jobs here - then perhaps you need to go back to school. There are alternatives other than just whining about how bad it is. Love it here and would never move away again! "

What a Waste wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:14 PM:

" The state is spending money advertising speciality jobs in healthcare, agriculture, and oil field? That's ridiculous. There are thousands of places to advertise jobs, many of them free postings. The healthcare industry has recruiting agencies. The oil field industries should be able to afford posting their own listings. We're paying for people to fly to other states and recruit workers when the reality is most of the jobs advertised are fast food and retail. Stop spending my taxpayer dollars on such nonsense! Like others have said, the quality of the jobs, benefits, work/life and other intangibles should compete on their own strength without throwing money out the window to 'convince' people to move here. "

Money doesnt talk wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Money isn't everything. Living in ND is a great BENEFIT and i wouldn't give it up for all the raises in the world! "

kk wrote on Nov 18, 2008 4:47 PM:

" if you believe these stories about the "great land of opportunity" in ND~ I have a bridge to sell you. This is pure bunk. THe govenor tauts all of these jobs~of course you have to work 2 or 3 to maybe make a living. Not everyone can be a doctor or engineer. And heaven help if you are from another state~NDers are hardly warm and welcoming in the workforce~they actually hold it against you if you are not from here "

better wages please wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:28 PM:

" I am a ND worker, and I am constantly looking for a new job and the truth of the matter is, is that the jobs around here just don't pay a hill of beans. I have two degrees and I could make more money working at McDonalds then working in my chosen industry. But the second I start looking for jobs outside ND borders, the wages double. I am probably going to have to move if I want to be able to pay off my student loans. "

Decent Wages with Benefits wrote on Nov 18, 2008 11:46 AM:

" The "Right To Work Law" that the archaic, out of touch, Legislators in North Dakota desperately try to hold on to is the main reason why there are no decent paying jobs in N.D. The "Right To Work" law is obsolete and is detrimental to any progression to the labor force in N.D. Until that law is overturn by some progressive, intelligent Legislators in N.D., it will still be the status quo as far as increasing wages and trying to implement a "Living Wage" mentality in N.D. "

Just have to say wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:59 AM:

" If you are considering on coming to North Dakota for a labor intense job, you should probably look into what you would face if injured on the job. I would Google WSI of North Dakota or injured workers advocates of North Dakota and read up on what happens to injured workers. Many of the injured workers came to this state because of good paying jobs in the oil industry, and factories never thinking they would be injured. Almost everyone thinks that injuries happen to the other person, not them until it does happen. So really research the what ifs when considering moving to another state. "

ivory hightower wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Nordie,
You are correct. I should have used spell check. I think texting may be a bad thing for the spelling ! "

John wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:04 AM:

" As a portly bald middle aged male, I have not yet been hired as a Hooters waiter or Hostess. "

nordie wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:45 PM:

" ivory high tower, if you are going to claim to have better than average grammar, you should know how to spell it correctly! "

Bis Prof wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:16 AM:

" What Jobs--Left ND : Quality of Life:

I salute you! It's nice to read these threads and see some people who truly understand the North Dakota experience! "

Left ND wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:23 AM:

" To Ivory Hightower....Rush hour..yeah right..It takes me 30 minutes to make my 25 mile commute to and from work. That is no different of a time frame than what it takes the people who live in Wilton that drive to Bismarck for work everyday. So as for rush hour no problems here. Sorry you won't hear me complain about my choice. It is the best thing I ever did. "

Quality of life wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:04 PM:

" The biggest regret in my life is that I didn't leave ND earlier than 12 years ago when I received a job offer that paid me over twice as much as I was making in ND. I now work for a company that has great benefits, a multi-cultural workforce (you only realize this is a good thing until you actually get out of ND!), and an excellent work / life balance. Every so often, including recently when I heard about the work force shortage in ND, I look through some of the job postings in ND. Still, none of the jobs pay even half of what I make in my current position. In order to get me to come back, you would have to pay me more than I make now to put up with the weather and the narrow minded people. Sorry, but it's the truth! "

ivory hightower wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:03 PM:

" TO left ND,
Please stay away. I like it here for manyy reasons. The amount of money is a big part of any life. The things you do with your free time dictate the life you love. You must really not want to be here or you would have found a way.

Hows Rush hour?

Thats worth 15k a year not to have the pressure of that! "

borninnd wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:23 PM:

" ivory high tower you sound like an arrogant MN if you want to criticize people go back to MN dh. "

Jobs in Bismarck wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:43 PM:

" What jobs? Most are for minimal pay and no benefits. I have a Masters degree and three college degrees plus 30+ years experience and have been looking for at least a part-time job. I fill out application after application and no one responds.

Bismarck employers also need to jump into the 21st century and realize that employees want flexibility in work hours, decent pay, flexible holiday scheduling and more input into their working conditions. A lot of times giving employees some flexibility in scheduling will make up for the lack of pay. "

Left ND wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:28 PM:

" I left ND in June and there is no chance I'd ever want to come back. I have been at my job for just about 5 months now. I have been promoted and received a 10k/yr pay raise. I'm making $15k more a yr now than what I was making in ND. In ND I was pretty much at the top of the pay scale, I had looked for better jobs but there was none to be had. In turn I was living out of my savings account and going backwards every month. Before all you start bashing me for living beyond my means I was not, I didn't do anything while I lived there because I didn't have the money. I can now attend concerts, sprting events and have other activities I can afford to do. Until ND gets the wages comparable to the cost of living they will never attract new workers. Also I look at last weeks weather event. I don't miss that at all. I have enjoyed upper 40's to mid 60's weather while all of you have enjoyed all the wonders winter in ND brings. Once again I don't miss it. I was born and raised there so I'm not a transplant that decided to leave again either. "

Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:45 PM:

" So, Ivory High Tower, according to the staisics on median household income, you and your wife are in the tp 7% of wage earners in the state. It's a plain and simple fact that there are few of us who can earn that kind of income here. As for us, not a single dollar of our income comes from ND sources. We have to contract with out of state companies because not only aren't there any good paying tech jobs here, there are few decent paying tech jobs. Thank goodness for vpn's and contracting or we wouldn't be here. "

ivory high tower wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:48 PM:

" Bornin ND,
My wife and I make the same wage as you and your wife. I moved FROM MN. I also think my grammer may be a little better than some. Please do not say good jobs are not available when that just might not be true!

IHT "

sr wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:24 PM:

" I did move here with my family from out of state expecting to easily find a decent job. Wrong. Everyone is soooo worried about why in the heck would I want to live here? This is the first question I am asked. I have almost 20 years in technology, 10 years in management and I still can't find a decent paying job. By decent, I mean $30,000. I don't expect the same wages as the last state I was in, but I also can't live on what McDonalds is paying. Like others have said, jobs are held for family, friends and locally raised people. Most people I have interviewed with are more afraid of me taking there job than worried about filling a position. And then the hiring/ interviewing practices are horrible! Most people don't ever call back. I take the time to apply and am rarely even acknowledged for the effort. It's just plain rude to say during an interview that I will be contacted "next week" and then nothing. EVER! The state being some of the worst offenders. Back to the "why move here" question. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! The fact is I choose to be here. I am doing everything I can to stay. It would be very easy to move away but I don't want to. I purchased my home here, my children have made friends in school, I have made friends, found a church home. If North Dakotans don't wake up and stop playing this game of begging people to move back but then don't hire them, this state will die. Period. "

Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:03 PM:

" For the most part, these jobs that the state is touting are minimum or near minimum wage. Just a quick question for the powers that be, if the reality of relocating to North Dakota is low paying jobs that will put your family on at least one public assistance program, what is the benefit of relocating here? Anyone with any common sense knows this is not the state to relocate to if you are looking for the "American Dream". "

borninnd wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:07 PM:

" I would love to move back nd but between me and my wife we make around 150,000 a year and you cant find that in nd. "

Karl wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Yes, there is a worker shortage in ND. It might not be in Bismarck like some are suggesting. But places like Williston are begging to fill oil field service jobs as well as the lower paying service industry jobs such as fast food, stores, etc...
Oil companies continue to open up new shops and offices in Williston, and they are bringing in their own people from other states to keep them open until they can fill the positions with locals and new people moving in. In Williston's case, it is the housing shortage hurting them. Their is no denying that ND needs workers and lots of them, it is just that the situations are different and unique depending on what part of the state you live in. But ND does need workers. "

Yes and No wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:37 AM:

" There is a worker shortage, but either the jobs are low paying service, or specialized as in medical or energy. Most people who attend these job fairs probably won't move to ND to work at a McDonald's or WalMart...very few of these people probably don't have a nursing degree, and most of these people have no idea what the energy industry is all about (as far as working the oil rigs and service industries related to it)...I'm guessing most of these people were employed in manufacturing plants, which we don't really have a lot of in ND. As far as the comment that the open jobs are being held for or offered to people who have relatives in ND or for people who were native to ND...I am guessing that happens because of all the people who would be willing to move to ND...would be people with families still in ND, or people who have lived here before and would be willing to come back(they already know what to expect as far as weather, etc..)...but I don't think any job should be held or offered to them first...they chose to leave...welcome home...but, stand in line like everyone else if you want a job. "

what_jobs wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:40 AM:

" My wife and I moved to Bismarck with our young son just over a year ago. We both have advanced degrees and one of us has a professional degree. There are many things we love about North Dakota. The people are friendly, Bismarck is clean and safe, the schools are good. Everything we heard about North Dakota, as well as our impressions from visiting, were for the most part true with one big exception jobs! We had heard the talk about all the people needed to fill jobs but the reality here seems to be much different. Most of the jobs here are held for family members or, at the very least, for native North Dakotans. Have you ever considered that your family members that have gotten jobs in other parts of the country have been hired by our family members? Also, the small businesses here are struggling, we have witnessed some good ones (that were owned by ND natives) fail in the short time since we have been here. Kohls, Best Buy and Walmart do not create good careers. We actually have a small business which we are considering moving to another state with a more vibrant economy and less nepotism and xenophobia. If the govt of ND is going to spend a lot of money searching for ND natives to try to tempt them into coming back then I think a few things should be considered. First, how is the money going to be spent, who is spending the money and what are the concrete results? Second, we have run into quite a few North Dakotans who have come back and, guess what, many of them cant wait to leave again! Third, all that is needed to bring good people into the state is the advertising of real jobs and not pie in the sky lots of jobs references. Then, when the new people arrive, whether they were born here or not, dont repeatedly ask them, Whyd you come here? or Whyd you come back? and the best one, Why dont you leave? "

tom wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:05 AM:

" There is no worker shortage regardless of what business and government keep saying for the past decade. If wages plus benefits minus the cost of living is greater in North Dakota than other locations, workers will be willing to move for the jobs. Imagine if you advertised that a service job paid $40 per hour and came with free housing. How many readers would be willing to take that service job? Absurd example? Yes, but you get the point. "

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