MIKE McCLEARY/Tribune
The lack of a workforce in North Dakota and Bismarck-Mandan is evident as an abundance of jobs in retail, food service, technical and professional job openings continue to remain available.
Nov 16, 2008 - 04:05:23 CST
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There's a sense of desperation in the comments section of a recent survey taken at a Michigan job fair: When asked what workers there need to have to consider moving to North Dakota, the answers varied from "money"to "moving expenses"to "a job."
"Honestly, my wife and Iare starting to file bankruptcy,"one unemployed Michigan worker wrote. "I'm looking for a change. I'm not sure yet if it's what God wants. With his blessing, I'd leave here in a heartbeat!"
The survey was conducted by the Workforce Development Committee by the Bismarck-Mandan Development Association at a job fair in Grand Rapids, Mich., where fellow Midwesterners have watched their jobs get shipped overseas, their manufacturing plants and the supplemental supply industries shut down even before the national economy began to dry up.
It's a problem that has only grazed North Dakota and the Bismarck-Mandan area, most notably with the upcoming shutdown of the Bobcat Co. plants in Bismarck and Gwinner for six weeks in the winter.
But the main problem many are concentrating on is the lack of a workforce in the state and in Bismarck-Mandan, an area apparently rich with jobs.
North Dakota's unemployment numbers continue to hold steady or, in some areas, decline. After the nation posted its highest unemployment rate in 14 years at 6.5 percent, North Dakota's labor statistics boasted a 2.8 percent unemployment rate, with 4,000 more jobs added in September than in the previous year.
In Burleigh and Morton counties, that's 2.4 percent and 2.7 percent unemployment, respectively. Statewide, there are about 16,000 open jobs.
"It's a phenomenon,"said Steve Herman, chair of the Workforce Development Committee. Herman said they've been working with Monster.com to market the area; executives at Monster have said the area is one of only a couple of regions experiencing such low unemployment.
Experts point to the state's agriculture and energy industries; the latter of the two continues to advertise for more workers to work rigs and other labor jobs.
The industries within the area that continue to suffer from lack of workers appear to be in service and hospitality, health care and technical jobs. Janelle Frederick at St. Alexius Medical Center said they are in a constant state of need for food and housekeeping workers. Signs across town continue to advertise jobs in retail and other areas. And technical and some professional jobs still go unfilled.
"It's been a struggle with the workforce out there right now,"Frederick said.
There have been several efforts in the state to bring more workers in. Most visible, perhaps, has been the Department of Commerce's efforts to recruit former North Dakotans; in fact, the Experience ND Career Expo was held on Saturday in Denver to help match former North Dakotans with jobs in the state.
But that effort might be too slow for some.
"When we look for former North Dakotans, these are employed people,"Herman said, adding that he was not speaking for the committee. "It's literally going to take dynamite to blow them out of where they're at."
It's an effort that has worked for several families. Experience ND is all about North Dakota, a fair where participants come to talk with several of the companies represented. Saturday's career expo hosted 80 companies from North Dakota, representing jobs all over the state.
"We've seen good signs that we are moving people back into the state. We want to stimulate that, we want to increase the flow,"said Shane Goettle, head of the North Dakota Department of Commerce. "We want people to think of North Dakota as a place to look at jobs."
Goettle said the Michigan job fair, however, was encouraging and will be used as another way to bring people into the state.
"We've got the situation where our economy, despite what's going on nationally, is still holding out with literally thousands of job opportunities,"he said. "It's a great, great time to try to turn the tide and move people into the state."
Herman would like to see at least 20 to 25 new workers placed in the community, which is why they're scouring areas of high unemployment. Like Grand Rapids, where more than 8 percent of the eligible workforce is out of a job.
Maureen Downer, program manager for Michigan Works, said she's seen first-hand the tight situations workers are getting into. And although the state may have an issue with other states picking at its workforce, she said that, personally, she recognizes workers need jobs and they need them fast.
"My thought is wherever you can find a job that can meet your needs, go,"Downer said. "Folks don't just likely pick up and move. They have to be in a difficult spot to do that. It has to make sense."
Herman said none of the people surveyed had a problem with the idea of North Dakota. They just wanted to be secure in a job.
"In all of the people (surveyed)in Grand Rapids,"Herman said, "not one of them said they would not relocate to North Dakota. Weather was not an issue."
The issue is money. Herman and his committee recently told the mayor's Economic Development Committee that funds of $250,000 to $500,000 could eventually help them help workers get to the state.
"It takes a lot of marketing on the Internet and it takes a fair amount of money to go after these folks no matter where they're from,"Herman said.
For workers in Grand Rapids, they cited relocation needs, mortgage buy-downs, travel expenses; many said they'd be willing to move for the right job. Some cited salaries needs of $400 a week, others needed salaries in higher ranges to move.
Andy Levin, deputy director of Michigan's Department of Labor and Economic Growth, said the state works hard to help employers find talented workers in state, and to help the workforce get the skills they need to get jobs in Michigan.
"We do not work on finding workers jobs in other states,"he added. "If employers want to come here and recruit, it's a free country."
Herman and the development committee are working with area employers to head to Grand Rapids again in January, this time with the hope they'll match workers with jobs.
"We're putting data together,"Herman said. "And then we want to develop incentives as to what would entice these people. Preliminarily, it doesn't look like it's going to be what any of us would consider a great deal of money per family."
(Reach reporter Crystal R. Reid at 250-8261 or at crystal.reid@bismarcktribune.com.)
"Honestly, my wife and Iare starting to file bankruptcy,"one unemployed Michigan worker wrote. "I'm looking for a change. I'm not sure yet if it's what God wants. With his blessing, I'd leave here in a heartbeat!"
The survey was conducted by the Workforce Development Committee by the Bismarck-Mandan Development Association at a job fair in Grand Rapids, Mich., where fellow Midwesterners have watched their jobs get shipped overseas, their manufacturing plants and the supplemental supply industries shut down even before the national economy began to dry up.
It's a problem that has only grazed North Dakota and the Bismarck-Mandan area, most notably with the upcoming shutdown of the Bobcat Co. plants in Bismarck and Gwinner for six weeks in the winter.
But the main problem many are concentrating on is the lack of a workforce in the state and in Bismarck-Mandan, an area apparently rich with jobs.
North Dakota's unemployment numbers continue to hold steady or, in some areas, decline. After the nation posted its highest unemployment rate in 14 years at 6.5 percent, North Dakota's labor statistics boasted a 2.8 percent unemployment rate, with 4,000 more jobs added in September than in the previous year.
In Burleigh and Morton counties, that's 2.4 percent and 2.7 percent unemployment, respectively. Statewide, there are about 16,000 open jobs.
"It's a phenomenon,"said Steve Herman, chair of the Workforce Development Committee. Herman said they've been working with Monster.com to market the area; executives at Monster have said the area is one of only a couple of regions experiencing such low unemployment.
Experts point to the state's agriculture and energy industries; the latter of the two continues to advertise for more workers to work rigs and other labor jobs.
The industries within the area that continue to suffer from lack of workers appear to be in service and hospitality, health care and technical jobs. Janelle Frederick at St. Alexius Medical Center said they are in a constant state of need for food and housekeeping workers. Signs across town continue to advertise jobs in retail and other areas. And technical and some professional jobs still go unfilled.
"It's been a struggle with the workforce out there right now,"Frederick said.
There have been several efforts in the state to bring more workers in. Most visible, perhaps, has been the Department of Commerce's efforts to recruit former North Dakotans; in fact, the Experience ND Career Expo was held on Saturday in Denver to help match former North Dakotans with jobs in the state.
But that effort might be too slow for some.
"When we look for former North Dakotans, these are employed people,"Herman said, adding that he was not speaking for the committee. "It's literally going to take dynamite to blow them out of where they're at."
It's an effort that has worked for several families. Experience ND is all about North Dakota, a fair where participants come to talk with several of the companies represented. Saturday's career expo hosted 80 companies from North Dakota, representing jobs all over the state.
"We've seen good signs that we are moving people back into the state. We want to stimulate that, we want to increase the flow,"said Shane Goettle, head of the North Dakota Department of Commerce. "We want people to think of North Dakota as a place to look at jobs."
Goettle said the Michigan job fair, however, was encouraging and will be used as another way to bring people into the state.
"We've got the situation where our economy, despite what's going on nationally, is still holding out with literally thousands of job opportunities,"he said. "It's a great, great time to try to turn the tide and move people into the state."
Herman would like to see at least 20 to 25 new workers placed in the community, which is why they're scouring areas of high unemployment. Like Grand Rapids, where more than 8 percent of the eligible workforce is out of a job.
Maureen Downer, program manager for Michigan Works, said she's seen first-hand the tight situations workers are getting into. And although the state may have an issue with other states picking at its workforce, she said that, personally, she recognizes workers need jobs and they need them fast.
"My thought is wherever you can find a job that can meet your needs, go,"Downer said. "Folks don't just likely pick up and move. They have to be in a difficult spot to do that. It has to make sense."
Herman said none of the people surveyed had a problem with the idea of North Dakota. They just wanted to be secure in a job.
"In all of the people (surveyed)in Grand Rapids,"Herman said, "not one of them said they would not relocate to North Dakota. Weather was not an issue."
The issue is money. Herman and his committee recently told the mayor's Economic Development Committee that funds of $250,000 to $500,000 could eventually help them help workers get to the state.
"It takes a lot of marketing on the Internet and it takes a fair amount of money to go after these folks no matter where they're from,"Herman said.
For workers in Grand Rapids, they cited relocation needs, mortgage buy-downs, travel expenses; many said they'd be willing to move for the right job. Some cited salaries needs of $400 a week, others needed salaries in higher ranges to move.
Andy Levin, deputy director of Michigan's Department of Labor and Economic Growth, said the state works hard to help employers find talented workers in state, and to help the workforce get the skills they need to get jobs in Michigan.
"We do not work on finding workers jobs in other states,"he added. "If employers want to come here and recruit, it's a free country."
Herman and the development committee are working with area employers to head to Grand Rapids again in January, this time with the hope they'll match workers with jobs.
"We're putting data together,"Herman said. "And then we want to develop incentives as to what would entice these people. Preliminarily, it doesn't look like it's going to be what any of us would consider a great deal of money per family."
(Reach reporter Crystal R. Reid at 250-8261 or at crystal.reid@bismarcktribune.com.)

Dontbelieveit wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:41 PM:
It's just very frustrating for the young people of ND to be told "stay here" and be happy that you shouldn't leave your roots, when the roots are being deprived of the water that they need to stay here in the first place. "
sam wrote on Nov 29, 2008 9:58 AM:
R2D2 wrote on Nov 28, 2008 10:27 PM:
in defense of businesses wrote on Nov 28, 2008 5:04 PM:
Dontbelieveit wrote on Nov 28, 2008 3:50 PM:
"When we look for former North Dakotans, these are employed people,"Herman said, "It's literally going to take dynamite to blow them out of where they're at."
What I would like to know is why are these top people looking for 'former North Dakotans' to fill the employment in the state rather than actually hiring the young people who are staying in ND to begin with? I am 26 have grown up here, went to college here, have two degrees and a minor. I have years of work experience in mental health/drug/alcohol rehab, customer service, and financial services with a local credit union as well as managment skills acquired from being a manager at a grocery store.
I have been applying across the state and so far I have not gotten even an interview. The letters that I have gotten back state things like "thanks for applying but the position has already been filled" or "you do not have the job experience so you do not qualify for the position". What I would like to know is how is a person suppose to get experience in ND if a North Dakotan employeer won't give young North Dakotans a chance. You want to know why the state is searching for out of state employees? It's because they don't give the youth a chance and so they have to leave, gain experience and then this state is begging them to come back. Little backwards if you ask me.
I am actually looking at leaving the state in order to get a decent job, or at least a job where I don't need a part time job on top of a full time one to pay my bills. When is this state going to look at the people it has instead of searching for those who left??? "
JP wrote on Nov 28, 2008 11:37 AM:
bismarck driver wrote on Nov 28, 2008 8:27 AM:
Scary Times wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:31 AM:
To L - here is your qoute from above:
"As of right now there are jobs here in ND. If you want to work, get a job. It may not be in your field or something you want to do. It may not even be the location you want but do what you have to do." (JP this is for you as well).
I cannot believe you are SO ignorant - If a person is OVER-qualified, those employers will NOT consider you. Trust me, I HAVE applied and continue to apply for even those positions. I have been a manager for 15+ years, am educated, experienced....etc...I have interviewed 100's and 100's of employees - And I imagine, I am more versed in the interview process than most - I don't say stupid things.
Blessings to you others in the same boat as me - it is NOT easy in our position. "
JP wrote on Nov 27, 2008 11:58 PM:
dave wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:09 PM:
Socks wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:15 AM:
JP wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:10 AM:
jay wrote on Nov 27, 2008 6:29 AM:
anything to continously be turned down job after job. The only people on this blog that seem to understand me are those that are going through similar situations and KK ,by the way thank you for your support. We just want others to realize how bad it really is out there. So stop telling me what to do, I am not stupid nor lazy otherwise I wouldn't be up looking for work at this hour if I was nor spend the past 6 months in hell searching for a job just so I can at least have a roof over my head. "
Just Amazing wrote on Nov 27, 2008 12:57 AM:
Most jobs here are low paying service jobs. This state will never retain college graduates as their are no jobs for them. Then there are all the layoffs going on, and more to come down the road. "
Geez L wrote on Nov 26, 2008 5:22 PM:
Bis Prof wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:30 PM:
I also checked Rasmussen but could not find their HR page, so you might try that. UTTC has some openings, U Mary does not. Have you checked the ND Stae gov page?
BP "
Bis Prof wrote on Nov 26, 2008 3:11 PM:
Best,
BP "
L wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:30 PM:
kk wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:59 PM:
kk wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:57 PM:
L wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:26 PM:
Scary Times wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:33 AM:
Intelligent jobless brownman wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:19 PM:
GARRY wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:50 PM:
from Puerto Rico!? Who go a job with soil conservation,& is going to go out ,& tell the farmer's of N.D. how to manage their land!! Now that to me is the craziest
thing I ever heard of!! So,you say there are no jobs in N.D.?????? "
L wrote on Nov 25, 2008 11:42 AM:
John wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:49 AM:
adios wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:32 PM:
to the morons that claim nepotism. How in the **** could that possibly effect unemployment in ND? I'm guessin public schoolin? "
haze wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:25 PM:
Me too wrote on Nov 24, 2008 8:46 PM:
adios wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:54 PM:
kk wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:50 PM:
Do not taunt these people that are trying to make a living and achieve a quality of life. Do not preach all your garbage-people are tired of it. Make a difference "
L wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:55 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:57 AM:
kk - pretty soon I'll be part of that good ol boys club too? heh heh?! "
jay wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 AM:
sam wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:36 PM:
kk wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:32 PM:
face reality or shut up but quit your glib answers. "
Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:27 PM:
The Big D wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:34 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:14 PM:
jay wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:12 PM:
due to these costs. Retail stores,factories and the like are suffering as a result to save these businesses from going bankrupt and closing their doors they have to
cut corners as well. To do this in saving their budget they have to elimanate a sum amount of employees by either cutting hours, demotions, layoffs, or forcing
early retirements of their employees. I have been searching for jobs in the Bismarck/Mandan area mostly because I wanna stay here. My family lives here and I love the community but my options of finding a replacement job has not been sucessful and I am now given much choice anymore other then to look
outside of the area or state because of this. Its winter time now and it is not a very good time of the year for me to be living in a cardboard box in this state.
If you are such an upscale person Haze, then offer me a job, otherwise sit back
and keep you mouth shut. As from what I can see you seem to be clueless of what the real world is about. "
Unemployment Rate Isnt Everything wrote on Nov 23, 2008 4:33 PM:
Randy394 wrote on Nov 23, 2008 4:27 PM:
If everyone opened their own business, there would be no one left the staff the others. What average person actually knows how to operate a successful business? Look at how many local business fail, probably because they didnt have the proper knowledge.
Even if you do have the knowledge, it can take years to bring home any income from a new business. If you are looking for a job now, chances are you need immediate income, and cannot afford to wait for two or three years to see any reasonable income.
Theres only so much room for a certain type of business within a city. If everyone that wasnt happy with their job opened their own business, the city would be overwhelmed with a whole bunch of business that all offered the same products or services. "
Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 23, 2008 1:41 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 23, 2008 1:06 PM:
I expected most of you to react that way you did - too bad. Choose to live in your hate and self pity and keep complaining that nobody will hire you. And - no silver spoon in my mouth - NOBODY gave me money. "
kk wrote on Nov 23, 2008 11:10 AM:
sam wrote on Nov 23, 2008 11:07 AM:
People are hurting in ND and all of you nay-sayers are just adding salt to the open wounds. Face reality ND has alot to offer BUT it is not jobs and businesses that is for sure. "
Me too wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:33 AM:
harpua wrote on Nov 23, 2008 7:57 AM:
Dew wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:45 AM:
Dew wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:37 AM:
Scary Times wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:04 AM:
jay wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:19 PM:
Laughing wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:12 PM:
Scary Times wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:18 PM:
And to Dave - Yes, now is a time in Bismarck, where it is an Employees Job Market. By this I mean - the lower paying, no benefit, I don't know how many hours I'll get this week jobs. Trust me, I managed in those businesses, and it's aweful. I don't know where you work, but where I have worked I HAVE seen some of the hardest workers for crappy wages (bless their hearts!) Me personally, have never worked a job where I was twiddling my thumbs, wasting company time - I WAS raised with work ethic, and a driven personality. As a Manager - I work along side my hourlies and expect no more than from them, that I do myself. They in turn respect me. ND employees AS A MAJORITY, ARE hard working individuals, and have for the most part been raised with work ethics. There are always a few bad apples, but not a lot. "
sam wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:12 PM:
Dave wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:22 PM:
jay wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:17 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:12 PM:
Me too.. wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:25 AM:
After earning a seeming lousy degree at the top of my class and many "you suck" letters...The attitude now is I guess I better go out and great me one of the great jobs...so we can try and make ends meet. I thought about going out an earning my MBA, but because we have kids and want to raise them in a safe place, we will stay here. Here, where if you are one of the lucky ones you may end up making $35,000 with and MBA. I do love ND but honestly have thought we need to sell and get out before it is too late. I am not sure what to do anymore either. I went to college, and held a positive attitude and all the "you suck" letters are beginning to win. And to think with all the lay offs at Bobcat the competition for some of the good jobs is only going to get worse. "
Scaryl Times wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:30 AM:
$150 utilities
$300 car payment
$150 insurance (full coverage)
$415 prescriptions (no health insurance)
$300 (groceries-school lunches)
$150 gas for car
$200 other bills (medical - incidentals)
$2405.00/mo Single-working class Mom, No child support - no Assistance of any kind. Have extenssive experience in Managerial fields, however, am looking for a position that offers quailty of life. Am willing to take the "cut in pay", but resume after resume, interview after interview, I am "over qualified, or considered a "flight risk". I realisitically need more than $15/hr to make ends meet. I do not live extravagantly, I don't even have cable tv, we don't go out to eat but once in a blue moon. Unemployment won't last forever, and I WANT to work. (My Temp. position ended that I had found earlier this year)
Any ideas? I cannot move as I share custody with my ex husband, I'm pretty sure they won't hire a 40'ish woman in the oilfields. (It does make a comical mental picture though!)
I hate to have to start looking for a refrigerator box big enough fo my kid and I to live in for the holidays. THAT is a scary outlook, especially when you ARE a qualified individual< who wants to work. was making $25/hr, and willing to take a job @ $11.50/hr (yes, and have to take another part-time job). HELLO, I wouldn't have appllied if I wasn't interested in your company. The rejection letters stating that although I was definately qualified, but decided to hire someone, "more suitable", are killin' me! Especially after an excellent interview.
Think of it this was - yes she WAS a manager, hmmmm...I'll bet she knows exactly what I have to go through every day as a manager. She'll respect that, she'll know how important it is to show up for work every day, she has excellent skills garnered from working her way up through the ranks......hmmmmm. Need I say more, wake up ND employers, I need ya! "
billy bob wrote on Nov 21, 2008 7:49 PM:
CS wrote on Nov 21, 2008 1:34 PM:
Randy394 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:28 PM:
There may be a lot of jobs here, especially in retail and service, but they are mainly part-time jobs, and there are few full-time positions. Since Ive moved back, Ive seen North Dakota businesses holding job fairs in other states what about those of us who are already living here? I would have had a better chance getting a job in North Dakota staying where I was.
The few good jobs that are available here are having upwards around 200 applicants. If there were all these great opportunities out there, why are so many people applying for these jobs? Only one of those 200 will get that position, and 199 will be forced to continue looking.
I never wanted to leave Bismarck in the first place, and was eager to return when I heard about all these great opportunities. I have sadly had to face the facts that if I want opportunity and pay, I probably will have to leave my family and friends once again. "
BJB wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:23 PM:
BJB wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:19 PM:
To Haze wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:24 PM:
bismarck driver wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:11 PM:
Nobody will do it for you - make it happen. "
Came back Wanna leave wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:20 PM:
bismarck driver wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:02 PM:
sam wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:09 PM:
oilfield wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:21 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:08 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:06 PM:
oilfield baby wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:55 PM:
He spent four years in college- working towards a degree to become a high school math teacher, so his jump up the pay scale isn't because of a college degree- its from hard work and the willingness to sweat... "
Law wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM:
To To Haze, how did you get any savings if your jobs didn't pay enough to live? You were the one that went to college and chalked up the big loans. Noone is required to pay them back but you. If you need to work 2 or 3 jobs because you didn't research your career decisions before you earned two worthless degrees then you need to. "
kk wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM:
ANd please~ the typical ND response"if you don't like it, leave" that is NOT the issue~ the issue is that ND pays peanuts and does not take care of the people in the state~they go outside and lie a bout the great job market~ and just an fyi~ I know plenty of people that fell for that line "
To Haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:29 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:54 PM:
ND Conservative wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:51 PM:
ND Conservative wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:43 PM:
Law wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:33 PM:
haze wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:12 PM:
What a Waste wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:14 PM:
Money doesnt talk wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:13 PM:
kk wrote on Nov 18, 2008 4:47 PM:
better wages please wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:28 PM:
Decent Wages with Benefits wrote on Nov 18, 2008 11:46 AM:
Just have to say wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:59 AM:
ivory hightower wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:04 AM:
You are correct. I should have used spell check. I think texting may be a bad thing for the spelling ! "
John wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:04 AM:
nordie wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:45 PM:
Bis Prof wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:16 AM:
I salute you! It's nice to read these threads and see some people who truly understand the North Dakota experience! "
Left ND wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:23 AM:
Quality of life wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:04 PM:
ivory hightower wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:03 PM:
Please stay away. I like it here for manyy reasons. The amount of money is a big part of any life. The things you do with your free time dictate the life you love. You must really not want to be here or you would have found a way.
Hows Rush hour?
Thats worth 15k a year not to have the pressure of that! "
borninnd wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:23 PM:
Jobs in Bismarck wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:43 PM:
Bismarck employers also need to jump into the 21st century and realize that employees want flexibility in work hours, decent pay, flexible holiday scheduling and more input into their working conditions. A lot of times giving employees some flexibility in scheduling will make up for the lack of pay. "
Left ND wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:28 PM:
Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:45 PM:
ivory high tower wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:48 PM:
My wife and I make the same wage as you and your wife. I moved FROM MN. I also think my grammer may be a little better than some. Please do not say good jobs are not available when that just might not be true!
IHT "
sr wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:24 PM:
Economic Conservative wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:03 PM:
borninnd wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:07 PM:
Karl wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:42 AM:
Oil companies continue to open up new shops and offices in Williston, and they are bringing in their own people from other states to keep them open until they can fill the positions with locals and new people moving in. In Williston's case, it is the housing shortage hurting them. Their is no denying that ND needs workers and lots of them, it is just that the situations are different and unique depending on what part of the state you live in. But ND does need workers. "
Yes and No wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:37 AM:
what_jobs wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:40 AM:
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