Look at motive in global warming debate

 
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Sep 03, 2008 - 04:05:36 CDT
Don Hannu makes a bid to decide the global warming debate in his letter to the editor on Aug. 25. Don claims that all his information is factual. Let's go point to point.

Do more scientists come out every day against global warming? What is the benefit of being a scientist who is proposing global warming (other than being a responsible individual)? What is to be gained if you work with the energy industry to say that global warming isn't happening? What is the cost of working against this administration and saying global warming is happening? In order of the above you have nothing, money and being fired.

Carbon dioxide isn't the predominant gas in the atmosphere. How much of a house's weight is insulation? Small to be sure. But how much can that insulation add to the heat retention of the house? We all need to keep in mind that we are not talking huge heat changes due to global warming. A change of a few degrees can make for disastrous results.

Does C02 have a short half-life? Yes, if we have not killed off the trees that make that true. Droughts, greed and industrial pollution are doing that exact thing.

Can the U.S. ever become an exporter of energy again? If we invest in the technology necessary to develop new and cleaner energy and learn to conserve we might. If we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to move into the future, we will continue to fall behind those who are willing to look to the future (falling even further behind in our trade deficit).

Motive is the key question in any debate. If you want to figure out who is lying to you, look for motive. The more gained, the greater the chance that a lie is coming. We know what gain there is for the energy companies. What gain is there for the environmentalists? Environmentalists actually lose money fighting these causes (personally and as groups). Environmentalists aren't trying to scare you. They are trying to save you.
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Look at motive in global warming debate
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kindergarden science wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Melting glacers does does not prove that man is causing the warming

Even a kinder garden student knows that the sun heats the earth. Al Gore probably had medeocre grades in kindergarden also.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0313irradiance.html "

RJ Richards wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:30 AM:

" Global warming is a sham. Al Gore had mediocre grades in college and yet we are supposed to think he can cure the planet? Come on, it's an excuse to tax us and push a radical left agenda. If you are the way to get saved, I don't want to be saved. I have a savior and believe me it's not a hypocrite like Al Gore. "

First Grade Science wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Melting glaciers = it's getting warmer. "

Vetter wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:53 PM:

" The CF bulbs contain mercury....hmmmm.... "

REX wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Mamma Mia, Please accept my apologies for the Easter Bunny thing. I never intended to hurt you or cause collateral damage. Truely. Perhaps you could find consolation through my good friend Buzz. It is easier, afterall, to go with the flow than to swim against the current. : ) (....bet i don't get no eggs agin this year...) "

Buzz wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Rex my friend, click your heals together 3 times and return to reality... "

REX wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:59 PM:

" Buzz, my friend. The data you speak of has not been "collected", as you say. It has been conjured. "

Snark Scientist wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:43 PM:

" While global warming continues to grab our national headlines, little is done to publicize the world-wide environmental impact due to the exponential increase in snark particles.

Projections show that within the next 34 months the snark population will have exceeded 17.4 trillion, demonstrating a rapid growth increase of 203% since 2007. This sharp increase may very well cause an overwhelming increase in drowning polar bears, income tax audits, bad hair days, and prickley heat groin rashes.

Advanced computer simulations demonstrate that within 42 months the increased population of snarks will be irreversible and may very well begin the end of the world. In the absence of actual data, these figures were synthesized in the same manner as those for global warming. We feel that if incompetent scientists can claim to make long-term global weather predictions in the absence of the ability to predict if it'll rain tomorrow, we are as qualified to discuss the short and long-term impacts of fictional elements.

An bill to introduct Snark-Credits into legislation is on-going with a hope of bleeding cash out of weary tax payers and businesses. A portion of these credits will funnel into the Snark Research Institution, a non-profit organization, whose goal will be to publicize the emminent world-wide threat as well as author new fictional threats for the worlds gullible.

Please visit: www.SnarkResearchInstitute.org/fictionalScaresForDummies/index.html

P.S. if you really attempted to follow the link, please stop procreating. "

MamaMia wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Ah, REX, you just ruined my little day! No Easter Bunny? No Santa? You made me cry, you meanie! ;>)) "

Mike R wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Break a CF bulb: And we are supposed to believe that these bulbs are healthier for the planet in the long run? Sounds like we may have some toxic issues arrising out of thier use. Buzz: Bush has nothing to do with it. Read xx's comment psted right after yours. It's a little thing I like to call common sense. Unless you can provide a good explanation for the global warming that melted the glaciers, I am not buying the junk science of today. Go ahead - explain it to me. "

break a CF bulb wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:40 AM:

" Open a window and leave the room (restrict access) for at least 15 minutes.
Remove all materials you can without using a vacuum cleaner.
Wear disposable rubber gloves, if available (do not use your bare hands).
Carefully scoop up the fragments and powder with stiff paper or cardboard.
Wipe the area clean with a damp paper towel or disposable wet wipe.
Sticky tape (such as duct tape) can be used to pick up small pieces and powder.
Place all cleanup materials in a plastic bag and seal it.
If your state permits you to put used or broken fluorescent light bulbs in the garbage, seal the bulb in two plastic bags and put into the outside trash (if no other disposal or recycling options are available).
Wash your hands after disposing of the bag.
The first time you vacuum the area where the bulb was broken, remove the vacuum bag once done cleaning the area (or empty and wipe the canister) and put the bag and/or vacuum debris, as well as the cleaning materials, in two sealed plastic bags in the outdoor trash or protected outdoor location for normal disposal.
Do people realise that you can't just throw these bulbs away? "

xx wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:27 PM:

" I totally agree with REX. I just don't understand how anyone can beleive in global warming. I have to wonder why or how the glaciers melted millions of years ago, was there any industrialized nation that existed then that caused the green house gas/pollution or what. All those environmentalist I would like that explained. "

Buzz wrote on Sep 7, 2008 5:45 PM:

" With all the data that has been collected over the years by a mutitude of scientists around the world; it sure is refeshing to know that we can just dismiss it, and finally put to rest the debate over global warming. I'm going to follow the lead of our President who had a "C" average in school, and say "Bah-Humbug" to those quack, liberal scientists. After all "Fox News" said it was faulty thinking to believe in global warming, and we all know Fox news is the leader in science. And lets not forget that God is on the side of the Republican party. I'm sure he'll just make a new earth; thats the beauty of creationism... No worries here. "

yoda wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Guess the snake oil salesmen didn't die off with the old west. "

REX wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:24 PM:

" There is no such thing as global warming. It is biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind. There is no Easter Bunny either. There is no BoogieMan. There is no Santa Clause. The moon is not made of green cheese and the earth is not flat. Storks don't deliver babies. It is all about controlling YOU and taking away personal freedoms. Grow up Americans, our children's children will laugh their butts off at us and I hope Al Gore is prosecuted for crimes against the American people. "

Dakotan wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Here's an example of why we use so much oil - I took a business trip on ND highways (no interstate) on Thursday. 400 miles. I drove 60 mph and was passed by dozens of cars, including government cars. Don't oil companies for the mess we are in. They have brought great prosperity to this country. Any wells they drill here means that much less money going out of this country and the jobs they create are some of the best paying jobs. "

Tommy wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:15 AM:

" With the summer we have had I sure am worried about global warming... Freezing in Hettinger in August is a sure sign. Burrrrrrr.. sure is hot out there this year... Global warming is a political scam to help democrats look good... guess what??? not everybody is as gullible as you... Global warming is a farse... it happens every couple thousand years ..... We should still be responsible and recycle, not waste energy and such... but dont sit there and tell me the end of the world is coming.. unless your name is Gore and you have some sort of an agenda... lol "

NoDak John wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:47 AM:

" Dakotan: Sure gets tiresome swimming upstream doesnt it. I too wish that people would understand agendas and would follow the money. The environmentalists should carefully follow the unmarked graves of environmentalist funding. I have been a conservationist all my life. Using good conservation practices has benefited my bottom line in every case but this last one. I bought an old farmstead and 20 acres which I took out of production. There were miles of open fields around me and there was no place for the wildlife, My little haven in a desert of farm fields is now populated with hundreds of trees, deer, pheasants, birds and innumerable forms of wildlife. So what is your complaint John?. Since it is no longer ag land, the government has decided that it must be residential property and is taxing it as such. I have been unable to get them to budge, so I may just have to put it under plow or lose it to taxation. Hows that for a real loser? "

NoDak John wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:32 AM:

" There are those who do not understand the economics of going against the current mantra.
Here is one example where the cost of doing so is in black and white.
William Gray, professor emeritus, works in the atmospheric science
department of Colorado State University.
"I've been in meteorology over 50 years, says Gray. I've worked damn hard,
and I've been around. My feeling is some of us older guys who've been around
have not been asked about this. It's sort of a baby-boomer, yuppie thing."
Much of his government funding has dried up. He has had to put more than
$100,000 of his own money into keeping his research going. If none of his
colleagues comes to his funeral, he says, that'll be evidence that he had the
courage to say what they were afraid to admit. see iceagenow.com "

Dakotan wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Eric - why would someone who has been a government employee his entire life constantly look down his nose at the energy industry? Unlike government, in the real world a company needs to make a profit or they cannot exist. Follow the money, Eric, and read what some of the previous posters have said about Al Gore and the carbon credit scam.
Yes, some environmentalists are trying to save us but some are completely phony and do not have a clue. I know of one so-called environmentalist who is constantly writing letters to the editor and yet heats his home with a woodburning stove. How phony can a person be?
Environmentalism is a huge business in this world. Follow the money and you will find Al Gore and the phony carbon credits are at the end of your quest. "

NoDak John wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:47 AM:

" The common answer I hear to control global warming is a global governance. Now who would benefit from a global governance? Follow the money, follow the power grab IF you want the answers. Check out the ocean thermography to see what is happening. There is the recent history of an unprecedented level of volcanic activity in the Pacific ocean. In the long term, there is nothing new under the sun. Mans contribution to carbon levels is a fraction of 1%, but the unscrupulous are making millions by brokering carbon credits. "

Grumpy Old Republican wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:06 PM:

" Am I not allowed to say anything about Al Gore's growing carbon tush-print here while mentioning his exploding bank accounts? The dude is selling a ghost and becoming a billionaire on it. Weight gain is off limits here or what?? "

Dew wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:15 AM:

" LAW: You are right on! I was at a cafe one day when one of those 'new' bulbs popped next to us! We all had to leave the room as they said it was bad to be around them when they break! OK, now that is 'good for us? "

Law wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:20 AM:

" Sherry, the only crisis we have is the one conjured up by the doom and gloom left.The politicians all talk about energy independence but are not willing to step up and do something about it. We need refining capacity but cannot get past the enviromentalists (see Yuma), we need nuclear plants but cannot get past the fear mongers and the NIMBYs. Wind cannot provide enough reliable electricity to power our country. We could stop using coal today and we would have a neglible effect on CO2 emissions because China and India don't have to use emission controls on all of their plants and factories, all run on coal. "

sherry wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:14 PM:

" We have a genuine crisis in our country of epic proportions. We need to elect a president who will access every natural resource such as wind and solar energy and promote every technology known to us to loosen the grip dependence on foreign oil has on us. www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com "

SRahn wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:04 PM:

" Curious : " Was it global warming that heated the earth and melted glaciers that formed our continent? " I think you're on to something, have you wondered like I, If Venus could sustain life, and the ideology that exact chemicl related planets further out from Earth exist, could it be as each planet is pulled into the relm (Gravity Pull) of the sun, microbes begin to grow? at which point? and life begins? Earth and many unknown planets preceding us are plummeting into the Sun's surface because of gravity, becoming it's fuel. Why would we (NASA), be searching for the additional planets with life sustaining similarities. This theory fits The Bible, "Armageddon", correct? Going Green means nothing without the ozone layer. (Deep Thinking Here Huh) "

warmachine wrote on Sep 3, 2008 4:09 PM:

" Well the earth was fine for millions of years....hot / cold / warm / rainy / snowy / icy....whatever. And it will be fine when man has gone....hot / cold / warm / rainy / snowy / icy....we're a little arrogant to think that man's short time on this planet, relatively speaking, matters at all to the planet. "

Law wrote on Sep 3, 2008 3:52 PM:

" Mine haven't held up. They have busted at the base, burnt out quickly and just haven't been good to me. I don't know how you figure your savings but in my house the few bulbs I have don't use much electricity in comparison to the fridge stove, air conditioner, tv's, radios, cd players, fish tank, computer, freezer, etc. I could never use a light and my electric bill would hardly change, more propaganda from the CO2 worry warts. And does it take more energy to make the new bulb? How about the contents of the new bulb any danger to the environment there? "

BMan wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:58 PM:

" The average temperature of the Earth has been cooler than it is today and has been warmer than it is today. All other warming periods were prior to the invention of the SUV.

Anti-capitalist global warming believers, please answer the following questions:

1. How do you explain warming periods that happened prior to the invention of the evil SUV?

2. What is the correct average temperature of the Earth?

Any arm chair climatologist can shred the global warming theory with ease . "

To LAW wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:15 PM:

" Not sure how you haven't found savings in CF light bulbs... Other than the garage door opener, I haven't had a SINGLE CF bulb go bad. I've replaced nearly 100% of my bulbs with them. I've saved more than enough in a year to justify the cost, and they are still going strong 2 and 3 years later. Like I said, the garage door opener was the only one that I couldn't replace, due to the vibrations destroying the bulb. (I've got an old opener!) "

Law wrote on Sep 3, 2008 1:15 PM:

" Here's another example, we have to quit using cheap incandesant (sp) bulbs in our lights and buy the expensive new lights. They are supposed to last longer but in my experience they don't last long enough to make up for the extra cost. I'm sure some company that makes the new bulbs is all over global warming, got congress to enact some scare legislation and outlaw the old style bulbs. But no one is benefitting from that, right? "

Ward Cleaver wrote on Sep 3, 2008 12:25 PM:

" Remember, 18,000 years ago, much of ND was covered by glaciers. Then Fred Flintstone started global warming and look where we are today. The earth warms and the earth cools, just as it has done for millions of years. "

Curious wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:44 AM:

" Was it global warming that heated the earth and melted glaciers that formed our continent? "

Bman wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Given the facts, no one can deny that those preaching the global warming hoax are benefiting from it from a paycheck to tens of millions of dollars. "

Law wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Sorry Johnny B but the mythical carbor credit is making people money. Once the global warming conspiracy people control us they will make us BUY carbon credits to run our cars and heat our homes all the while laughing all the way to the bank. I remember in the 70's when the earth was going to freeze now 30 years later its supposed to overheat. What's next? "

JONNY B wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Excellent letter! This is NOT a letter about Al Gore people. It is a letter to simply explain that the threat of global warming is real and NO one will benefit from this. The writer of this letter places common sense regarding this issue rather than the senseless nonsense in the letter by Don Hannu. "

Dew wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Two very excellent responses to this letter.... Yes, indeed follow the money! Algore is the one making the money off of it all.

If anyone would check into his movie, it was more fake than real! So, all he is doing is lying.... But, a liar is what he always was! "

bman wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Let's examine the facts. Algore has made about $98 million peddling his global warming theory.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/03/al-gore-getting-rich-spreading-global-warming-hysteria-media-s-help

Scientists depend on grants from the government to study global warming. There are no governmnet grants to do research to disprove global warming. If you want a grant from the government, you need to at least say that you believe in global warming.

Just follow the money. How easily this house of cards fell. "

losing money wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:34 AM:

" The one's proposing carbon credits are all scam artists. Did you know Gore stands to make millions of dollars if people buy into this crap? Did you know Gore buys carbon credits? Yes I'm sure you did. Did you know he buys them from his own company? You probably didn't. You are right though, follow the money. Unfortunately you are refusing to look deep enough to find out that the people claiming to save you are scamming you and the only one losing is you. "

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