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Obama is just more of the same

 
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Jul 30, 2008 - 04:06:48 CDT
By ZACHERY TIGGELAAR
Bismarck
 Change?

Lately, I've been noticing a turn in the Obama campaign that has not been reported all that much in the news. I noticed his position on change has turned into a position of the same thing, nation-building, maintaining the course, no troop withdrawal, and being a typical arrogant D.C. politician.

Obama has made countless statements of change from the Bush administration, but his actions recently are speaking louder than his words. First, he wants to nation-build in Afghanistan, which sounds to me like President Bush's plan for Iraq that Obama has ridiculed countless times. Rather than his promise of change, he plans to keep our troops in Iraq or ship them off to the nation-building he plans in Afghanistan. It's a little ironic that the change Obama promised has turned out to be like his new stance on the surge, leaning more towards McCain's policy.

Though he claims to be different than other politicians, since he's spent so little time in Washington, we can see from his inability to admit he was wrong when he said the surge would fail, he is just like the rest of the politicians. He will only acknowledge accomplishments and never apologize or take the blame for flawed beliefs and admit that his opposition was correct in their decisions.

Is this what we want as our commander in chief - a candidate who was wrong about an important wartime decision with the surge, who is not humble enough to admit failure, who wants to continue if not increase our presence in the Middle East, a candidate whose only change to our country will be higher taxes?

I know I'm ready for a change, but I don't see it happening, even from Obama's campaign filled with empty promises of hope and change.
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mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Facts, that doesn't prove that Obama HIMSELF is tied to extremists, does it? "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:27 AM:

" Dewdrop, if he said "we" then he meant "we"; not "I". That is your own spin on things and you really can't say you know WHAT he meant; and you can't put words into his mouth that aren't there. Nice try, but that just proves that you like to put your own spin on things and try to sell it as fact. Most of us are smart enough to know that already. "

Facts wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:36 PM:

" Well, well, well, look at what we have here from the Washington Times dated August 7, 2008: [Obama aide tied to extremists] "America's largest Islamic civil liberties group on Wednesday defended Sen. Barack Obama after the Democratic presidential candidate's Muslim-outreach coordinator resigned because of a brief association with a suspected Muslim extremist. The Muslim group's defense came two days after Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, who was appointed national coordinator for Muslim-American affairs by the Obama campaign on July 26, stepped down. Questions had arisen about Mr. Asbahi's connection to Jamal Said, the imam at an Islamic fundamentalist-controlled mosque in Illinois. In 2000, Mr. Asbahi served with Mr. Said on the board of Allied Assets Advisors Fund, a Delaware-registered trust. The Justice Department had named Mr. Said an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the racketeering trial last year of several people accused of fundraising for Hamas, a Palestinian Islamic terrorist organization created by the Gaza wing of the Muslim Brotherhood. The proceedings ended in a mistrial. Mr. Asbahi is also a regular speaker before several U.S. groups that scholars associate with the Muslim Brotherhood. The Obama campaign did not address the allegations."

I have warned many of you bloggers recently about Barack Hussein Obama and now here is more evidence about his true character and intentions. Now is time for you Obama lovers to wise up and quit licking his boots!!! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Interesting fact, ooohhh I'm SO impressed by your ability to "predict" the future with all your vast knowledge of Obama!! Any lottery numbers you would like me to play?? Give me a break!! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:29 PM:

" To amused, there are alot of rich men like Bush in this country; that isn't anything special and certainly not necessarily an impressive legacy. Any idiot can inherit money and use his family name to further his career; big deal; he has never accomplished anything meaningful on his own. He failed in business; he failed as governor, and failed miserably as president. Good, bad, or indifferent; those are the facts. Sorry, but not impressed. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:10 PM:

" Meagan, I know. I don't understand it either; it's total hypocracy. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:57 PM:

" This might be the most pertinent question we should all be asking ourselves.
You can debate what's fair or not fair in terms of taxes all day long. But at the end of the day there can't be much dispute that Obama is proposing significant tax hikes on Americans.
Sure, there are some folks at the lower end of the income tax brackets who will see their income taxes go down. Sure. That's great. I am all in favor of people's taxes going down. For sure.
But at the higher range of the tax brackets people are going to see their taxes go up significantly.
This will hurt the economy. These folks will have less to invest, less to spend, consumer spending will decline, and I believe our economy will suffer as a result.
But perhaps the most startling of Obama's plans involves significantly ratcheting up the tax on employers--the FICA tax. Right now employers pay 6.2% on all wages up to $102,000. Obama proposes repealing this cap. This will cause tax costs to increase significantly. If labor costs more, employers won't be able to afford as much of it and will fire people.
Sure, Obama, if elected, will do some good things. No doubt. Just as McCain, if elected, will do some good things. Both will probably do some things we all disagree with as well.
But I am voting with my pocketbook and based on who I believe will hurt the economy least.
I believe that is McCain. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:42 PM:

" VoR wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:02 PM:

" OBAMA IS TOO SKINNEY TO BE PRESIDENT!!! My God, you can just see the fear and desperation oozing from each ever more anxiety riddled pronouncement.

Yeah America wouldn't want to be put in the hands of some emaciated, thin guy like say, Abraham Lincoln, right? Bad shot Fox, reload and try again, We all know that you will. "

This was done by the Wall Street Journal, not Fox News, get your facts straight.... I think it was just a joke but, there are some strange people in the world!

VoR.... I read one of your comments about how we all need to get along.... LOL.... when YOU spew this kind of garbage, "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:21 PM:

" Have any of you seen Obama's new ad? The one that says McCain gives 'rich' people tax breaks but not the 101 million poor people that need it. LOL,, those 101 million do not pay taxes, they feed off the rest of us! "

dante wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:18 PM:

" BILL, let none of us forget that the bush crowd, in 2000, when they opposed each other for the chance to despoil and corrupt the Office of President of the United States, LIED about McCains dark-skinned adopted daughter. saying she was the product of an illicit affair. ...AMUSED, many INFAMOUS people throughout history have left a legacy with ill-gotten gains and other dubious scemes. i'm sure you dont want me to name any more of them, do you? "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 6:34 PM:

" BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:06 PM:

" Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:12 AM:
" Has anyone seen how 'full of himself' Obama has been lately? "I am the one the world has been waiting for"!

Now, all I did was subtitute the word 'I' for the word 'We'....He really did mean..... 'I'.... Whether you want to admit it or not! And he is 'full of himself!', he is arrogant and so is his wife! And it has noting to do with his race, because even though he does not like to admit it, his mother is white! And his grandparents were white and he disrespected his grandmother by saying she walked on the other side of the street when a Black person was coming down her side of the street. She took care of a Black baby, for heavens sake!
I have grandkids of different races, I love them all the same! "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 6:01 PM:

" VoR:
Is this the kind of posts you recommend?
From one of your liberal friends:

Rasmus wrote on Aug 6, 2008 10:25 AM:

" ms, you are correct. How can people debate when the Repubs have gone so far to the right that they need an intervention and de-programming? " "

fp wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:26 PM:

" Jason,
Is it just me or do you see all the grammatical error`s and mispelling`s in these eduacated responses. Honestly I lose track of their message`s (because they are so predictable) and focus on their mistakes. Hope all is well, take care...... "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 6, 2008 5:06 PM:

" Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:12 AM:
" Has anyone seen how 'full of himself' Obama has been lately? "I am the one the world has been waiting for"!
The other one I begged the on line editor to take down.
Jim S, you're still on point, making perfect sense?
My purpose on here is to refute the lies and distortions brought about by the republican party. We must always remember this is the party of Donald Henry Segretti, Lee Atwater, and Karl Rove. The best of the best at being the worst of the worst.
The republican party hates government, claims its broken, then turns it over to a friend who's a private contractor or a campaign donor. The rich get richer. Not that there is anything wrong with wealth. I just want a level playing field "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:48 PM:

" Bill, you don't have to read any book I suggest.... I am putting it out there for people that what to know, you apparently do not want to read what is out there and learn for yourself! One person stated on here that Fox News is for the LAZY person, well, I think anyone that does not watch at least a little bit of ALL the news and read as much as they can about ALL the candidates is not a very knowledgeable person and can not make an informed decisioin! "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:37 PM:

" LL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 PM:

" Dewdrop .... I have double dog dared you on several occasions to[ LOL, I can't believe I'm even engaging you] 1] find the audio where Obama says "I am the one the world has been waiting for'' 2] And that gem that he was sworn in on the Koran.
I I wish you people would quit lying about what I posted!~ I NEVER, EVER said Obama was sworn in on the Koran, someone said (mom of teens) that a 'white' man, a muslin was a member of congress and I said he was sworn in on the Koran, NOT Obama! Got that this time around?

Not much difference between the words 'I' and 'we'! When someone writes DID in
stead of MAY HAVE, you did not say a word did you , or was that you perhaps?

We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. We are the hope of those boys who have little; who've been told that they cannot have what they dream; that they cannot be what they imagine.

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/02/05/remarks_of_senator_
barack_obam_46.php "

Amused wrote on Aug 6, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Although I got board reading all the same ole' comments, I just got to say... No matter how he did it, GW Bush is Wealthy and the most Powerful Man in the US....Right, wrong, good or bad he leaves a legacy. Where does that leave you mom-of-teens wannabe? "

Jim S wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:53 PM:

" Hey Vetter! Great to see you here. Need some of your insitefull rebuttles to all this nonsense.
Meagan, Better not vote for Obama cause with all the money he plans to give to the middle class; sounds like a third term for Bush. You know, one of those oh so many failed policies from this current administration. "

engr wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:49 PM:

" VoR... Are you going to announce that you are running for office here soon??? :)

I agree 100%!

Good work! "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:30 PM:

" To VoR: That is a wonderful idea, thank you. "

VoR wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM:

" Do think I know who will be a better President? You bet I do. I expect that you do too. The thing to keep in perspective is that we are all Americans and regardless of how the election chips fall in November, we will have a new President next year and he will have task of getting this nation back on track toward increased domestic security and improved international respect.

We're all in this boat together. Let's all just pause for a minute or two and try to remember while that attacking the intelligence or character of those who have a slightly different viewpoint than we do might make us feel better. It accomplishes nothing beyond serving to create greater polarity between us all. Hey, I enjoy a spirited debate as much as anyone and I love the fact that I live in a country that allows me to express my views openly. That's something we should all appreciate.

Why don't we all pause for a moment and take a slow, deep breath. If you look at our domestic politics from a global perspective, the political scope runs far to the extreme of the vast majority of the American people, where over 90 percent of us are just a few degrees either right or left of center. We have things pretty good here and we all know it. But it's election season so the hyperbole is going to heat up just like it always does. Democrats aren't Communists/Socialists and Republicans arent Nazis/Fascists. We all want the best for our kids & our national security. We just disagree on how best to get there. That's why we have elections. See you at the polls. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:28 PM:

" Dewdrop .... I have double dog dared you on several occasions to[ LOL, I can't believe I'm even engaging you] 1] find the audio where Obama says "I am the one the world has been waiting for'' 2] And that gem that he was sworn in on the Koran.

As far as your book suggestions go, garbage in garbage out, Let me know when you read a good Obama book, that way your opinions will sound a bit more, hmmmmmm...., how should I put this.... "Fair & Balanced?'' "

BBB wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 PM:

" What a wonderful country we live in. We can talk about just about anything or anyone we choose. And in just about in any manner. This blog is a perfect example. Lets talk taxes, basics. If in 2000 you made $100000 combined income you paid xxxx in federal taxes. After the tax cuts your tax liability (same circumstances) would be xxxx minus $1600 to $1800 give or take. If someone says they are going to raise taxes on only those wealthy people hang on to your wallets. First it was 250k and up now it is 200k and up by election time $40000 and up(which isn't much) will be looking pretty inviting. The national debt under Reagan was the highest in history (at that time) and the pundents said that was why interest was at an all time high. Looking at todays situation-I guess they were wrong. It was going remain for generations. Well that didn't happen either. Is our current situation the Presidents fault, possibly. Is it Congress fault ,even more likely. Congress is not blameless-with ratings in single digits our delegation has splainin to do "

Rasmus wrote on Aug 6, 2008 10:25 AM:

" ms, you are correct. How can people debate when the Repubs have gone so far to the right that they need an intervention and de-programming? "

ms wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Dewdrop, you wrote:

"Read two books, one I have read is 'Obama Nation' by Dr. Jerome Corsi ( is a real eye opener on Obama) and the other is 'The Case Against Barack Obama' by David Freddoso, which I am goingn to get today and read that one! I will let you all know what I think of it! IF you don't mind.... LOL"

I don't know if I speak for anyone else, but I don't really care what you think about the books, because: 1. both books are one-sided and very rightist, 2. you're going to put a negative spin on Mr. Obama, no matter what and 3. there's no point in arguing or trying to have a thoughtful debate with you because it's just "Obama's evil, Obama's a Muslim, Obama will destroy this country." It seems as though some people never research both sides of a topic... "

engr wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Exactly Dewdrop...

Add to your list of questions...exactly HOW and WHAT is he going to 'change'.

McCain 08 "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:04 AM:

" MS says...Seriously, what's with the middle name usage? If you're going to use Mr. Obama's then you better use Mr. McCain's: John Sidney McCain III.

OK, John Sidney McCain III, I will vote for you! "

Wolf wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:03 AM:

" I love when conservatives howl about taxes after driving up the largest national debt this country has ever seen over the last eight years. I especially like it when you mention raising the capital gains tax from 15% back up to the 20% to 30% range, which is what most people pay in federal income withholding on their paychecks. Their protests tell you it is more important for the person who has been shorting financials over the past 18 months with a few mouse clicks a week to get the lower rate, than to ease the burden on those who punch clocks and work for tips every day. $400 billion and counting for Iraq, $350 billion to the banks through the Fed in exchange for worthless mortgages, a blank check worth up to $800 billion to Freddie and Fannie, $120 billion per year for ten years for prescription drug benefits. If you think taxes shouldn't go up you probably also think the FDIC actually has the money to cover your deposits in the bank, and there is such a thing as a free lunch. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Can anyone tell me what Obamas qualifications are for President of the USA? He is a JR Senator. He is Black. He is young. He is a family man. He is a Christian.
Anything else?

What bills has HE sponsered that were passed in the Senate? Has he worked across the isle with the Republicans to do good for this country? Has HE ever done anything Good for this country? Did he serve this country in the military? Who are his friends and associates? (or were untill the media found them out!)
What does his wife, think about America? Not much, she 'has never been proud of America".
Just what ARE his Qualifications?

Read two books, one I have read is 'Obama Nation' by Dr. Jerome Corsi ( is a real eye opener on Obama) and the other is 'The Case Against Barack Obama' by David Freddoso, which I am goingn to get today and read that one! I will let you all know what I think of it! IF you don't mind.... LOL "

ms wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:48 AM:

" vetter,

Seriously, what's with the middle name usage? If you're going to use Mr. Obama's then you better use Mr. McCain's: John Sidney McCain III.

Respectfully, "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 6, 2008 8:44 AM:

" BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Nobody says it better than Vetter. Welcome back little soldier. I knew you weren't dewdrop,he gets all his misinformation from snopes.com, the stuff that is proven false.example..... Did you see how McCain removed the American flag from his plane and put his own logo on the tail. He must hate America.

WHAT are you talking about? I never posted anything about anyone putting anything on the tail of a plane, or taking anything off the tail fo a plane!
I didn' even knew McCain took anything off his plane tail.......
And you have not proven anything false yet, that I posted!
SHOW ME WHERE I DID THAT! I DARE YOU! IN FACT I DOUBLE DARE YOU.... "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Nobody says it better than Vetter. Welcome back little soldier. I knew you weren't dewdrop,he gets all his misinformation from snopes.com, the stuff that is proven false.example..... Did you see how McCain removed the American flag from his plane and put his own logo on the tail. He must hate America. I see you're still part of the 21% backing dubya and simon bar sinister. I can't wait for Obama to mop the floor with your sacrificial candidate during the upcoming debates. McCain 's tightly controlled town hall meetings are an embarrassment. I'm amazed Barack is doing so well in North Dakota and Montana. Your party really blew it. More tax cuts for the uber rich! Hows that working? "

One for the Road wrote on Aug 6, 2008 6:57 AM:

" If you read through some of the comments here, you would think America is run like a monarchy. Everything is the presidents fault, he did this, he did that. Folks, I hate to break it you but we have three branches of government. So many of you are willing to give Congress (whose approval ratings are LOWER then the presidents) a pass on all things deemed wrong in the past 8 years. You want serious change? Start rotating out the incumbents in Congress. Once they realize they are not going to be Lifers in Congress, that is when real change will occur, not just electing a new President. And if you blindly follow the party line, then you are not really serious about changing anything. "

vetter wrote on Aug 6, 2008 1:54 AM:

" Jim S, and Stepper, good to see you here. I've been out of the pocket for a bit. Amazing to see the same group from the beloved far left of left, still here saying the SAME things! I have been watching, and enjoying I must say, B. Hussein Obama..... Put a teleprompter in front of him and "Brilliant!!!", take it away, and ....duh....umm....well....ummm, duhhh.... And the way the man can dodge, duck and weave, when it comes to invitations to debate.... This guy's going to fumble and bumble all the way to a crash and burn defeat....Billy, you're a little jumpy these days...I've never posted under another name. I was rettev initially, only to change to vetter when you guys refused to use it.....Lastly, Mom of teens, you should go to work for George Soros, I hear he's looking for a new poster child. "

VoR wrote on Aug 6, 2008 12:19 AM:

" Daycare Mom, From your response to my question you apparently do feel qualified to determine whether or not someone is a Christian. What I gathered from your post is that the method you use to assess a person's worthy ness to claim to be a Christian is as simple as how they stand on the abortion issue. Oppose it and you qualify, Don't oppose it and you don't qualify.

Then to justify your presumed authority you came up with "read the bible." Since you think that will clarify everything, I read a little bit, and before long guess what I discovered.

Genesis Chapter 2 verse 7: And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The way I interpret this passage, the bible defines life as beginning when a person takes their first breath, not at the moment of conception. Which makes me wonder...How do you feel about Capital punishment? I think it's safe to say that Jesus might have a problem with giving the government the right to take a human life(i.e. living soul). It seems to me that being for capital punishment is even more of a disqualifier. Don't you? "

Meagan wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:03 PM:

" To Interesting Fact: Do you know that every American now owes something like $10,000 because of Dubya's debt? How is that for reducing government spending! Where do you get the idea that Obama is a Communist? Because he wants to tax the super rich and corporations more, and eliminate the tax breaks they've had under Dubya? Assuming you are middle class, he wants to give all middle class families $1,000 in tax breaks, using the mega profits of the oil companies to help pay for that. What is bad about his plan?? Honestly, do you think that the poor oil companies are suffereing? You're just spewing right wing propaganda, learn a little before you post. "

Meagan wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:57 PM:

" To Mom-of-Teens: I've always said war is full birth abortion. Amazing how people who claim to be "Christians" and want abortion outlawed could support the war in Iraq, or Bush for that matter. Over four thousand Americans, and God knows how many Iraqi civilians, have been killed, and for what? I don't know...what a WASTE!! "

Interesting Fact wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:37 PM:

" Mom-of-teens to bad you FEEL he will do good, when I KNOW he won't. Thats the best part of voting, when you know you're voting against a tyrannizing oppressing communist, but at the same time voting for someone who is almost the same, only difference is I can keep more of my money to stimulate the economy.

Your talking to the wrong conservative complaining about bush, I know he's failed in some aspects, though not all i.e. reducing governments control over our pocket book. I look at bush and see the spending and government programs he's pushed and I wonder to myself... Why don't liberals like him? He is far more liberal than conservative. Increased spending, more government programs, and forcing specific ways of life on people sounds pretty liberal to me, how do you think the communist got people to agree with them, force. So are you really complaining about a true conservative, or a neo-con (socialist). "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Interesting fact.....There are a lot of us on the left who cringe at government spending also. I for one could never run my house like that, but what are the alternatives? More war? More tax breaks for the richest people in America? Even more tax breaks for the oil companies? More money for pharmaceutical companies? There has to be a correction. We cannot continue down this path we are on. John McCain is not qualified to do anything to stop this. What has he done in 28 years of the Senate? What are his accomplishments? He should be rewarded for doing absolutely nothing? 5 years in a box does not qualify you to be president. As a matter of fact it disqualifies you. And this is coming from a vet. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:08 PM:

" dante, I agree! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:06 PM:

" To interesting fact, those of us who support Obama and LIKE him have done enough of our own research to know WHY we like him and WHY we feel he would be good for this country. We didn't just arbitrarly pick him out of thin air. You support your guy and the rest of us will support ours. What doesn't make "sense" is voting for someone who will continue with the same failed policies that have taken this country down the tubes. TALK about MORE of the SAME!! Think about THAT. That is what doesn't make sense; but since only ONE of the candidates actually speaks common sense; he has a VERY good chance of taking this election. See you at the polls! "

dante wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 PM:

" this just in----"the devasating blow to america's ecomony stretching us into debt" has already occurred. google "stupid economic and war decisions-george bush-dick cheney. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:01 PM:

" The other side of the coin wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:07 PM:
If The United States is so bad, and you Republicans have made it that way after nearly eight years, leave! "

It is NOT the Republicans saying the U S is so bad, it his the Dems, just read back a few posts! I say we have a great country and since more people are coming into it than leaveing it, just proves that fact! "

dante wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:58 PM:

" MOM-of-Teens----its the same old cycle of war for the sake of war, its a moneymaker. it really doesnt matter to the politicians, CEO's and their kids that dont have to fight them, they just get richer. our friends in one war will be our enemies in the next, and on and on-it happens all the time. bush was taught well these fine points. maybe mr obama can change this pattern. i dont think mccain wants to. "

Interesting Fact wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Doesn't the bible also say there is a time for peace and a time for war? Keep religion out of this. Politics and religion shouldn't be mixed, thus the original intent of congress passing no law supporting one or the other. You all sit and argue for obama, but are yet to give me a reason except hope, change, and actually higher taxes. Ever thought that possibly minimizing government could save us money in taxes? What and erroneous argument to state that discrimination is ok, as long as its the rich... Are they not people too just like you and there for to be treated equally? Really think about people, I could hope for a million dollars, but that doesn't mean I will get it. Doesn't make sense, but neither does voting for Obama, guess that's why they will do it, only to find his hope to be a devastating blow to America's economy stretching us into debt. We're setting up for another FDR, eight years of debt with no escape... not even with government programs "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:51 PM:

" The other side of the coin......Apparently you are new to this. Scroll down a bit, it won't take long to figure me out. Dems get to vote one day earlier this year. "

The other side of the coin wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:15 PM:

" BILL G-A-R-R, Daycare Mom and all tolerant, fair minded and good Americans; come out on Election Day and show the world what kind of a country America once again can be. Have hope, faith, intelligence and courage and vote for Obama. I'll see you at the polls this November 5th. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Also interesting how those claiming to be Christian, who also oppose abortion, would vote for a man who wants the war to go on for 100+ years, so that many more lives can be lost.... twisted logic truely! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:28 PM:

" Funny how the whole abortion things constantly gets thrown around, yet war is ok.... "

The other side of the coin wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:27 PM:

" Day Care Mom, Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:18 PM:

" And by the same token dewdrop, why are you badmouthing Muslims?? You claim we are being taken over by Muslims, but yet it's the Bush administration who is liberating them! This is also the same administration who is making the middle east rich because of oil; so they can turn around and attack us; so we can turn around and liberate them!! And you wonder why the intelligence is questioned! "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 5, 2008 6:15 PM:

" Daycare Mom wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:10 PM:

" As always the Dems break out the name-calling and insults if you voice anything that does not agree with them. "

Ain't it the truth! But, don't give up the fight, we have to let them know that there are people that have reason and intelligence. Most of these people just HATE, they hate Bush, they say it, they hate Republicans, they say it, (I would rather have a major medical procedure like removing some part of my anatomy, than vote for a Republican) They Hate McCain,they hate Cheney, they Hate the way America is today.... You name it, they HATE it!
America is a great antion and it is NOT going down the tubes like they would have us believe, in fact we have more people trying to get into the USA than are leaving! So, do the Mexicans that come acorss the boarder illegally, HATE Bush? Do they Hate Cheney? They sure want to live in the USA, so it must be a darn good place to be!
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/show/1004085 "

Meagan wrote on Aug 5, 2008 6:01 PM:

" To Daycare Mom: Have you read McCain's earlier statements about abortion? He used to be in favor of it, but basically had to change his position to appeal to Christians such as yourself. You are being used, I'm sorry to say. Candidates pander to Christians for votes, but abortion never gets outlawed. McCain is most likely still in favor of abortion, but knows his needs the votes of people such as yourself to get elected. Look at what has happened to our nation under eight years of Republican rule. Is this really the world you would like to leave to the youth of our nation? If so then vote for McCain because of his supposed "opposition" to abortion. "

Get Real wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:53 PM:

" I am a young college student and having Obama as our next president scares the heck out of me. The Robin Hood effect is good in theory but it will never work. If you continue to tax and take money from the rich and give it to the poor, all it will do is diminish the middle class even more. It gives incentive for people to continue to not work and live off of the government which this country doesn't need more of. Next, socialized healthcare. I would rather pay for health insurance and get good care than wait months to see a doctor. Obama is definately a good speaker, but once all the smooth talking is over I don't believe he will do what is good for the country. I don't understand how anyone can feel that someone is ready to run our country when half of the time they have held political office has been spent running around campaigning for presidency. "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:28 PM:

" To Bill: It was killed. Try emptying your cache and reloading the page. "

NDFREEZE wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:18 PM:

" who cares what religion they are -- people throw the Bible around way too much. Most of the people that preach the "word" are the worst -- they only follow the bible on Sundays. Wasn't this country started on the basis of freedom of religion and don't forgot the Stamp Act had a lot to do with us becoming separate from England. Maybe if we leave religion out of politics we may get a good president -- look what the Christian Mr.Bush did his last eight years. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:17 PM:

" DaycareMom, I couldn't agree more with your earlier comments. ''Please good God fearing Christian people-come out on election day and show the world what kind of a country America really is.'' I'll see you at the polls this November 5th. "

Daycare Mom wrote on Aug 5, 2008 2:17 PM:

" If intellegent, articulate, and young are the only things you feel are needed to be a great Pres. Then I have a couple of 5 year olds you should meet! See that it a perfect example! Think! "

Daycare Mom wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:58 PM:

" As I said before, McCain is not my 1st choice at all. There are many things I don't agree with from the Republicans and things I do agree with from the Democrates, I just believe that at the heart of this debate are some issues that should not be compromised-like abortion-(killing a child) It's not OK, not a right, read the bible. If you are for this, yes I can say you are not a Christian "

VoR wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Daycare Mom,

Name-calling? Excuse me but exactly who just claimed that a U.S. Senator is "not a Christian" and intimated that he is the "worst of the worst" even though he has been a member of a Christian church for over 20 years, was married to his one and only wife in a Christian ceremony and had both of his children baptized as Christians? Ok, so you don't like the ex-minister of his church. Do you think you are the arbiter of who is and is not a Christian?

Just one other thing, those of us who think we need to make some changes to this country aren't going anywhere, like it or not, this is our country too. If you are right (no pun intended) about your beliefs being the majority, then you've got nothing to worry about. If you're wrong, please back-off and let our intelligent, articulate, young, new President get to work repairing the damaged mess he will have just been elected to clean up and fix. Hes going to be undertaking an enormous task. Please pray for him to succeed. "

VoR wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:19 PM:

" engr, Point taken, We are there!!! As to how long we need to "Stay the course", again gets into the area of judgment. You failed to mention a key statistic. While the Bush/McCain plan has cost us 4,075 American dead & 30,182 wounded to date as reported by the Pentagon in our effort to establish a democracy in a 90 percent Muslim nation which according to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), "holds more than 112 billion barrels of oil - second in the world behind Saudi Arabia. Iraq also contains 110 trillion (with a T) cubic feet of natural gas, and is a focal point for regional and international security issues." To minimalize the importance of the original judgment call to commit out troops to invade, overthrow and occupy a sovereign nation that had not attacked us based on either faulty or possibly falsified intelligence is at best obtuse.
Judgment, judgment, judgment. What we need now is clear minded judgment and an exit strategy from this ongoing national nightmare.

So far I've only been mentioning the blood part of this blood & treasure equation. If you'd like we can get into the economics associated with this judgment call too. I'm ready if you are. "

The other side of the coin wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:07 PM:

" "As always the Republicans break out the name calling and insults if you voice anything that does not agree with them. They have a right to their opinion, as do I. I believe the good people of The United States will come through and vote for the man that is going to hurt the country the least. That's got to be Barack Obama! It's also laughable to spout we Americans are sheep, messing in our pants when we hear 9/11 (which you Republicans) are always fearfully throwing in our face. Please do us a favor and go somewhere where your beliefs are the majority and don't try to change us! If The United States is so bad, and you Republicans have made it that way after nearly eight years, leave! "

Carter wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:27 PM:

" I have been following Obama since 2004, He was not my pick for president at 1st because he was to much of a moderate. His stance has not changed, I have at 1st he was not far enough to the left for me. Now I realize he is just what we need . Someone that is willing to compormise, someone that is willing to listen to both sides. If you have been paying any attention at all you will know that he not "changed". I for one will want a president that is middle of the road vs My way or the high way. "

Daycare Mom wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:10 PM:

" As always the Dems break out the name-calling and insults if you voice anything that does not agree with them. They have a right to their opinion as do I. I believe the Christian people of The United States will come through and vote for the man that is going to hurt the country the least. That's got to be McCain! It's also laughable to spout we Americans are sheep, messing our pants when we hear 9/11. Please do us a favor and go somewhere where your beliefs are the majority and don't try to CHANGE us! If The United States is so bad--Leave! "

engr wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:51 AM:

" VoR...

Whether it was the right judgment call or not to liberate Iraq... WE ARE THERE!!!WE MUST STAY THE COURSE UNTIL THE JOB IS DONE. Pulling out now, without a strong Iraqi government in place, will jeopardize everything our soliders have worked and fought for. "

W.J. Hinrichs wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:48 AM:

" I'd like to express my views concerning Mr. Tigglaar's comments of 7-30-08 in which expresses concerns about Obamma's views regarding our efforts in the Middle East.

In my opinion, nation building is better than nation distruction which the Bush Administration brought about in Iraq with it's ill planned invasion, inept stabilization of the country, and the resulting deaths of thousands of our service personnel and innocent Iraqi citizens. This debacle has cost us billions and will continure to do so for years to come!

It seems to me that Obamma has the duty to change his views concerning this war and and work closly with the generals in charge especially where troop-levels are concerned. I see nothing wrong with him admitting that he may have been wrong with his initial troop withdrawl plan. If President Bush would have been more flexible in his thinking, this war may have been over by now.

Mr. Tigglaar is correct when he states that taxes will increase, they have to! What he failed to mention is that citizens making $200,000.00 or more will pay more which seems fair to me.

Sincerely,

W.J. Hinrichs
Las Vegas, NV. "

Rasmus wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:35 AM:

" To Daycare Mom: " Please good God fearing Christian people-come out on election day and show the world what kind of a country America really is. " Yes,and by voting for Obama, you will affirm that we are a country NOT dominated by right wing whackjobs and their thieving Televangelist/Fundies. We will be seen by the rest of the world not as ignorant sheep messing our own pants every time we hear"9/11!" whispered by the Repugs. We will show the world that we are not xenophobic fools who believe that we are a "Christian Nation" or that believe anonymous email attacks. "

VoR wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:08 AM:

" Let's take a minute to focus on judgment. Iraq never attacked us. Therefore liberating Iraq was a judgment call. A judgment call fully backed by Sen. John McCain, who also supported establishing a democratic government there. As several here have pointed out the population of this country is 90 percent Muslim. Some are Sunni some are Kurdish and by far the majority are Shea. These 3 Muslim sects have been at holy war for centuries. Iraq sits next to Iran, a nation governed by a Shiite theocracy. McCain supported this invasion and occupation from the very beginning, in fact he was one of those who claimed that this entire operation would be quick and virtually cost free since the grateful people would pick-up the tab with their huge oil revenues. Senator Obama on the other hand voted against this adventure from the beginning, saying that this was the wrong war saying, and I quote:
("This was a conceptually flawed mission, from the start? We need better judgment when we decide to send our young men and women into war, that we are making absolutely certain that it is because there is an imminent threat, that American interests are going to be protected, that we have a plan to succeed and to exit, that we are going to train our troops properly and equip them properly and put them on proper rotations and treat them properly when they come home"). Since most would agree that one of the most vital attributes of any President is judgment. Who has unquestionably demonstrated the best judgment so far? "

Daycare Mom wrote on Aug 5, 2008 10:01 AM:

" I just read this comment page and have lost much faith in the intelligence of my fellow North Dakotans. The choice is clear, McCain has to win, not because he is a wonderful man, but because he is the best of the worst. Obama is not a Christian and Christianity is what our country was founded on. It is downright scary to think of a Pres. who has his agenda in mind leading our country. Please good God fearing Christian people-come out on election day and show the world what kind of a country America really is. "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:44 AM:

" To fp: Thanks, we're all human. "

dante wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:37 AM:

" DEWDROP, VERY feeble reply, but at least this time you tried. keep on with the fear, propaganda , and paranoia, the party line. as always, i remain your friend. regardless. "

NoDak John wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:00 AM:

" I have a nasty habit of looking beyond the headlines, and neither, Obama who says this nation is the best nation in the world, but wants to change it into . . . ?what?, and McCain whos track record speaks for itself, are even close to being presidential material. Dig their records out and then look for someone worth voting for. As far a Reagan is concerned, it was the former head of the CIA who was the president of vice and it was he who ran the country in spite of Reagan. Read Reagans daily diary. Interesting and enlightening. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 5, 2008 7:54 AM:

" dante wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:00 PM:

" DEWDROP the BUSHWAR in iraq "liberated" a country of 90% muslims!"

So than, dante, why are you so upset with the outcome of the war? "

freemarketradical wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:23 PM:

" dante, speaking as the last real conservative I think you have it completely correct. "

dante wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:00 PM:

" DEWDROP the BUSHWAR in iraq "liberated" a country of 90% muslims! these guys read the KORAN EVERYDAY!!!!.... RUN AWAY as FAST as you can! "freedom" is a funky word that has knives, guns, and bombs, and sends people to the afterlife prematurely. with SEEMINGLY uncaring violence.... not that ALL muslims are that way.... BUT... the ones we have enflamed, that have hijacked the religion, have seen innocent dead on the ground, with our bombs, backing whomever the dollars decree, THEY ARE there. IRAQ! come on... they are men and women with children... like you and i... or MAYBE just like me.... it must end.... "

REX wrote on Aug 4, 2008 9:16 PM:

" I have no use, no excuse and no shame in declaring predudice against any sect which proclaims mass murder of all non conformists to be ordained by any God. Defend that if you can. Bottom line. My name is REX. "

Stepper wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:06 PM:

" JimS...I too have been laying low with being intermittently ill these past few months but better now. I have not changed my opinion of George Bush but I have changed my thinking of leaning towards the democrats when I vote. I am so disappointed in who the candidates are and that includes Hillary. If this is the best either party can send out of the chute, then the rodeo is a dud. Sad. Looks like I will have to vote for McCain or an independent. Bill Garr..I have lived in many states among many people and I still will not vote for a muslim whose beliefs are grounded in elitism and terrorism and death to infidels. You can't exactly say Obama wraps himself in the Amercian flag can you? He proudly wears his muslim flag. Dante...not altered reality but just common sense. I am a firm believer in actions are stronger than words and Obama's actions in Iraq were pretty pitiful, considering the soldiers risking their lives over there are also voters...This is not to say that I think McCain is the answer..he is not...but he may be the lesser of the two "evils." I still think we as voters should abstain from the voting booth until they get it right and until someone decent and (omg) honest can be run from both parties and from the independent parties as well. They can't screw up if they are not voted in...sort of a "what if they held an election and no one voted?" I kinda like that idea.... "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Rasmus... I just guess you do not know the difference between the words DID and MAY HAVE. No wonder you love Obama, he does not tell the truth either!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:59 PM:

" To all of you that think Obama is going to be the next president.... take heart.... lol

HA! The latest Rasmussen polls show that Obamas lost points since he returned from his 'futrue president tour'. I wonder if he looked to arrogant or too ignorant for the American people! He got a 1 percent boost and then it fell, and fell, and fell! Sundey he was one point ahead of McCain, today he is even-steven with him! In fact, on Sunday if they figured in the 'leaners', Obmas was ahead by one point but today, McCAIN IS AHEAD BY 2 POINTS!

GO McCain!

NObama "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:43 PM:

" Perhaps all the people on this board who apparently lump all Muslims into the same category would be interested to know that there is a Muslim in Congress who is a WHITE guy! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:39 PM:

" Dewdrop, you've obviously never had a root canal; it's not a major medical procedure in that they remove part of your anatomy; but it's still a medical procedure and still a big deal; regardless I would rather have one than vote Republican; never have, never will! I also don't need to do any fact checking; every business news program even LAST NIGHT said the economy started in a downward spiral in 2001. You must not put much stock in the business news lately then; because every one of the analysts interviewed agreed this began in '01. But since Bush was president in '01 and not Clinton, I don't expect you to acknowledge that. Perhaps you should do some fact checking of your own, and then maybe you would see that we have been in a downward spiral ever since Bush came into office. "

Wolf wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Yes, Dewdrop, McCain emphasized that the anthrax "may, and I emphasize may be from Iraq", but to go on national television, and even bring up that claim with such marginal evidence shows an incredible lapse in judgment and a willingness to sell the war on Iraq for the President on any claim, no matter how marginal or true.

Who was even leaking this information and how dysfunctional is our Justice Dept. and FBI if it has come to this? "

Rasmus wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:23 PM:

" Dewdrop, did I misquote him? No. Then how is that "spreading falsehoods"? It isn't. Maybe you have the comprehension problem. My point is that if you say the name Iraq coupled with "9/11", "anthrax", "WMDs", often enough, people forget the "may be behind" or "may have manufactured". Even Lieberman brought up 9/11 the other day while discussing Iraq. NO CONNECTION. Then there is the anthrax guy Ivin, who "committed suicide" right before the FBI was going to arrest him. A great, big co-inki-dink, right? I am not buying it. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:05 PM:

" Mom of Teens.... there you are posting lies again... The economy was beginning to tank when Clinton was in office! It did not begin with Bush.... Do some fact checking, please! Just because YOU believe something does not make it a fact! The fact that 9/11 did happen did make a difference but, there again, it was being planned under Clinton as well as under Bush and Clinotn was the one that made it impossible for the different agencies to communicate with each other!
You said in an earlier post that you would rather have MAJOR MEDICAL SURGERY than vote for a Republican, so it is not just Bush you hate, it is all Republicans....


LOL, I never thought that a root canal was considered a 'major medical procedure'! "

BBB wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:01 PM:

" Dear Mr. Bill, I noticed you didn't respond to challenge. Just more of the left wing perspective of rewriting history in the rearview mirror. I am sure you "facts" are all correct-100% it doesn't matter your battle was lost how many years ago. Neither of the current candidates are worth two hoots. It comes down to who will hurt/help the most/least. As said before McCain is old, Obama doesn't have an original idea in his head-just hope-and who doesn't have that. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:00 PM:

" P.S.... Stepper, "Our flag flies today because thousands of Americans died to keep it flying.'' Truer words have never been spoken, but a lot of those people were White, Black, Asian, American Indian, Gay, Straight, Catholic, Jew, and yes Muslim. It's easy to forget about what comprises a great American city when you see nothing but pasty white faces in Bismarck, North Dakota. "

dante wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:47 PM:

" STEPPER, welcome, visitor from an alternate reality. will you be staying here long?....VoR---i wont speculate on who is who in these blogs. they ARE amusing and sometimes frightening, but i will let the editors handle any problems , as they already have. i have been accused of multiple-identities by one of these people, for more than one incident. it was HILARIOUS, but it wasnt me. "

Jim S wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:46 PM:

" Good to see you too Stepper. I have been laying low reading all the BS that a few on here love to spread. I don't know what will happen between now and November. I don't know who will be sitting in the oval office next January. All I know is that there are 4-5 people on this blog that think they have all the answers and can turn this ship around. These are the same folks that have no other solutions other than bashing those in power and thinking bashing is the solution to all problems. I see you have not changed your position. Don't let Billy git to you, he hates all of us and America too. "

Stepper wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:38 PM:

" Bill Garr..lol...I know...and I mispelled patriot act too!! my friends and family are considering "the home" for me. Unfortunately, at we draw closer to the election time, the feelings get stronger that disaster is headed our way. That was a trite statement on my part about once a muslim always a muslim but wht I mean by that is he risks deah by his own people by being anything but a muslim. IF he is elected...then watch the regular street clothes come off and the robes of his faith appear. His clear disrepect for our country's flag should be setting off alarms but instead people are ambracing him which is almost scarier but not their fault I guess...lots of things to distract us from what is really going on and I have to compliment Bush and Co...for 8 years they have done a good job of distracting the public with war and rumors of war, etc ...tick, tick, tick...... "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:00 PM:

" BBB....Reagan the butcher backed the death squads in El Salvador - many of these groups were simply shooting agrarian reformers, who didn't want transnational corporations coming in and setting up beef ranches or plantations where sustainable local farms had once existed. We flooded the country with weapons and turned it into a killing ground.

Stepper......Drats! How did you come across all these secret plans? Some one please send a black helicopter to Stepper's house, Stat! '' Once a Muslim always a Muslim?'' I love your reasoning. Barack and his wife want to get elected and turn us all into Zombie Muslims. Yikes! "

NDFREEZE wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Unfortunately I don't think it matters who is sitting the oval office -- congress runs the show (in my opinion). Between Obama and McCain I would rather see Obama -- yes he is a newbie BUT McCain will give us the same as Bush gave us -- its time for a change -- I'm not totally happy with all that Obama plans to do but it cant hurt to try. Lets stop spending money on the poor and rich and help the middle class out the people who actually help or hurt the economy ( sorry just ranting) "

stepper wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:07 PM:

" This blog is so amusing! Neither candidate will be president...the new president is already sitting...go read the patrito act very very carefully and pay attention to martial law portion...there is a huge disaster/calamity type 911 thing coming to this country before the election...watch for it in a city near you (possibly more than 1 city)...it will enable Bush and company to enforce the patriot act and suspend elections, events, etc....In the event my predictions do not occur (I am praying they won't) then we better hope Obama is not elected. Two things give him away as a bad deal: his total diregard for the American flag and refusal to greet soldiers in Iraq and he is a muslim...once muslin, always muslim. Our flag flies today because thousands of Americans died to keep it flying and this guy refuses to give it the respect it is due?? Think about it people...even his wife dislikes our country....Jim S good to see you posting again...been a while... "

VoR wrote on Aug 4, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Recession, Try taking you're blinders off, those band-aid stimulus checks are the only reason we are not already headlong in the midst of a deepening recession. Bush is betting he can use the national treasury to duct tape and bailing wire this whole thing together till the election/end of his term and maybe save at least a few Republican congressional seats. That is if no more Sen. Ted Stevens like corruption scandal eruptions pop-up

You nailed it Recession, "right now is a testament to President Bush's tax policies.
". What a man, What a leader, What a legacy. I can't wait to see his Presidential Lie-berry. I wonder if it will be built next to a giant statue of Dick Cheney casting his imposing shadow over the whole thing. "

BBB wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:19 PM:

" Dear Mr. Bill Garr, It is interesting that ALL the major candidates on both sides of the isle used President Reagans name to bolster their own campaigns in this election cycle. And you are trying to convince the world something other than the obvious. As I said before history is the best teacher and our current candidates are using an historic text book. Please do not question who or what I am. It doesn't matter who I am or anyone else. Lets make this clear. By all credible accounts President Reagan is considered one of the best. Sorry Mr. Bill you are likely not in that crowd. "

engr wrote on Aug 4, 2008 1:52 PM:

" To: Bill G-A-R-R, no sir... I have been an avid reader of this and other discussion boards, however, I usually don't post. I do not hide behind another screen name, I've always been 'engr'. "

VoR wrote on Aug 4, 2008 1:24 PM:

" To Frankthetank, Good point. Yep, as long as you limit yourself to the Rassmussen Polls McCain has a slight lead (1 percent). At the end of July USA Today/Gallup gave him a 4 point lead for 2 whole days. Once he breaks 50 percent somewhere this could get interesting. Perhaps after the conventions.

Dr. Ron Paul was defiantly the most unique of all the major candidates of either party. I must admit that having an actual gynecologist as president is an interesting idea and honestly I do like many of his positions such as he favors hard money and opposes the Federal Reserve. I don't like his and plan to negate Roe v. Wade for ethical reasons.

However he does oppose the Patriot Act, the federal War on Drugs, No Child Left Behind, gun control, federal use of torture, presidential autonomy, a national ID card, domestic surveillance, and the draft. I just have some serious doubts whether, (considering the aging boomer population) he would be electable given his position of eliminating Social Security, abolishing most federal agencies, and removing military bases and troops from foreign soil. But all in all I have to admit I've seen worse candidates. "

REX wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Yes, Mom of teens, you weary me. Rest assured the usage of "weary" and sentence structure are quite correct. Thank you for pointing out that I sound like a Bush supporter. I am. You, my Dear, sound like a play back of a television news cast. Is Bush smarter that Al Gore or John Kerry? Oh, my yes. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:48 AM:

" Jason..... maybe you can help all of us out by identifying the people on here who go by different names.
To engr.....Even VOR's worst critics enjoy his postings. You must be new to this board or you are going under another name again.
BBB.... Everyone who's anyone? Really? If I listen to sean, bill,rush, brit and savage maybe. He was satan, and anyone who does a wee tiny bit of research will find out ronald reagan was NOT good for this country. Arms for hostages? Iran contra? '' I don't recall''?
Vetter, Rettev,.....or whoever you are these days, please come forward, My bet is you are not Dewdrop. "

Frankthetank wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:19 AM:

" VoR - http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

McCain is ahead when you include "leaners". Not that I care, just pointing this out.

Next time vote Ron Paul - Immediate troop withdrawal, no nation building, low taxes, fiscally conservative, pro-limited government, stands up for what he believes in and does not change positions everytime a new poll comes out. "

VoR wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:47 AM:

" To Interesting Fact, Here's some more gold for ya.

If you average out the latest poll results from Rassmussen, Gallup, CNN, USA Today, Pew Research, FOX News, Democracy Corps & NBC/WALL St. Journal the result is:
Obama 46.5 McCain 44.0

Check it out yourself, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls

To Jim S, Ouch. "

VoR wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:26 AM:

" To engr, You're welcome,

You don't have to read my posts if you find them too long or if they upset you or cause you to question your political viewpoint. But in the interest of being fair & balanced, here is something I've never heard or read from any news source:
Jesus was a Capricorn, he ate organic foods. He talked of peace and brotherhood and never wore no shoes. Long hair, beard and sandals and a funky bunch of friends. Reckon theyd just nail him up if he came down again. Kris Kristofferson

By the way, does anyone think that when Jesus comes back he want to see his believers wearing crosses? Wouldn't that be like walking up to Caroline Kennedy sporting a lapel pin of a high powered rifle, then saying, Just thinking about your dad? I think I heard that one on Comedy Central.

Consider yourself humored. Obama in 08. "

Interesting Fact wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Yet another golden nugget, Rasmussen Tracking polls show McCain is ahead! NObama "

Recession wrote on Aug 4, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Mom-of-teens, perhaps the fact that there was a recession in 2001 was due to failed economic policies of the Clinton Administration which were coming to full boar. Or perhaps from the single largest attack on American soil that struck deeply at the heart of America's financial apparatus. Bush was in office for less than a year when the recession began, Washington can't move nearly that fast for anything to happen that quickly. Further, economic policies take a while to actually have an impact. The recession was actually short lived, it could have been much worse. The economy came back, perhaps not the the 90's level, but that was not going to happen so soon after 9/11 with the threat of another terrorist attack looming. The fact that the economy did come back and we aren't in a terrible recession right now is a testament to President Bush's tax policies. "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 4, 2008 9:28 AM:

" To readers, writers: Focus on the issue, not each other. "

BBB wrote on Aug 4, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Dear Mr. Bill GARR, Your quote "Those who forget the past often repeat it". Your quote as well" W (worst president ever). " Unless you are only twelve you might remember the lefties tried this on President Reagan. Big surprise everyone who is anyone wants to be just like him. Somethings will be left to history and what you and I say isn't likely it. Sticking with the story seems to be difficult with the blame everyone else for my problems crowd. McCain is old O has no experience and only a vision of "hope" and who doesn't. "

BJB wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Rugby Reader:

Obama and McCain are in a statistical dead heat. Do I think McCain has a shot? Yes, I do. "

Jim S wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:38 AM:

" VOR, Sorry to bust your bubble but I have only been, ever been Jim S. My wife posts on here from time to time under her screen name and Tator Salad is relation. I am and only ever have been Jim S. At least I don't have to hide behind a fake moniker because I am scared. I have nothing to hide. Oh and McCain does have a very good chance to become our next President and he will win. The writer of this story is mostly dead right on. The left has messed up so many things and alienated so many of their would be voters; can't wait to see what they will blunder next. Obama is a worse flip floper than Kerry was. Obama is sinking and sinking fast. His ego will only be a small part of what will bring him down. The longer this election runs, more and more people will see that Obama will do more to hurt this country than any one man has ever done or could do. "

Not Beholding To Big Oil wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:30 AM:

" The best change about Obama is that he is not beholding to Big Oil. Big oil doesn't care about Afghanistan and never did - not much oil there. We need to get out of Iraq. We never should have invaded Iraq. We need to fight terrorism. If we move our troops out of Iraq so they can go to fight terrorism and Bin Laden, then we are on the right track in world affairs. McCain wants more of the same in Iraq - a big mistake. I was a big McCain supporter 8 years ago. I'm not a big supporter of him if he wants more of the same in Iraq. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Interesting fact, there is a BIG difference between intelligence and common sense! Who cares what his SAT scores were?? His bad decisions during his two terms have left this country in a housing mess, a credit crunch, an energy crisis, a huge national deficit, a war, a near recession of the economy, a corporate scandal that stole hard working people's pensions, and on an on.... do most people CARE what his scores were based on these things??? I really doubt it! His score as president is a big fat F!! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:54 AM:

" Jim, just because something hasn't affected YOU personally, doesn't mean it's not a problem for the country; the economy STARTED to take a dive in 2001! And just for the record, a stimulus check means NOTHING if it hurts the economy in the long run and wipes out the surplus, which it basically has! Bush signed a bill to make it easier for people to BUY homes early in his presidency; subprime lenders have never been regulated like they should be, so they can basically charge whatever ridiculous fees they want. Credit card companies aren't regulated either, in case you were wondering. And no, I'm not on welfare; I make a good salary, which is being stretched to the limit now, in part, because of our intelligent president! It also doesn't suprise me that you don't see a pattern between the price of gas and oil and the leadership of this administration. I guess it is true what they say. Never under estimate the power of denial! "

usbp wrote on Aug 4, 2008 1:32 AM:

" cut all this debate and everything you all are talking about Obama is taking this election. Thats our new President of the USA!!! "

Interesting Fact wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:56 PM:

" Still scored in the top 10% of the nation. What was your scores? "

Rugby Reader wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:33 PM:

" Does anyone honestly believe that McCain stands a chance of becoming our next president?

Not very likely... "

engr wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 PM:

" To VoR-

The only thing you seem to offer to this discussion is your own political rhetoric.
I'm tired of reading your multi-paragraph posts which, I might add, offer no new point of view other than the same political spin. Humor me and post something new (other than something you hear on MSNBC or CNN)

Thanks! "

VoR wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:11 PM:

" To dante, Something seemed odd about the last few posts that Jim S has made. Since they are not based in reality their must be another explanation If you recall, not too long ago the Online Editor busted Jim for posting with up to 5 different handles. All reflecting the same twisted point of view. This may explain the re-emergence of REX, with his nonsensical raving as well. The more I reflect on these postings the more obvious it becomes that he is secretly just a liberal Democrat working to secure the presidency for Barack Obama. As far as Dewdrop, I can't say for sure, but doesn't it seem interesting that Dewdrop appeared shortly after we stopped hearing from Vetter? Then again, I could be wrong. "

VoR wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:49 PM:

" To Interesting Fact, A Yale college guide circa 1970 listed the average SAT for Yale freshmen as about 670 in verbal, 705 in math. So Bush with 566 verbal and 640 math was well below average for his class. He must have written an awesome essay.
If Bush had the slightest sense of irony, he might have paused to ask himself, "Wait a minute. How did I get into Yale?" It wasn't because of any academic achievement: his high school record was ordinary. It wasn't because of his life experience--prosperous family, fancy prep school--which was all too familiar at Yale. It wasn't his SAT scores.
They may not have had an explicit point system at Yale in 1964, but Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family. Affirmative action for a boy from a fancy prep school. These forms of affirmative action still go on.
The Wall Street Journal reported that Harvard accepts 40% of applicants who are children of alumni but only 11% of applicants generally. And this kind of affirmative action makes the student body less diverse, not more so. George W. Bush, in fact, may be the most spectacular affirmative-action success story of all time. Until 1994, when he was 48 years old and got elected Governor of Texas, his life was almost empty of accomplishments.
Yet bloodlines and connections had put him into Andover, Yale and Harvard Business School, and even finally provided him with a fortune after years of business disappointments. Intelligence, hard work and the other qualities associated with the concept of merit had almost nothing to do with Bush's life and success up to that point.
And yet seven years later he was President of the U.S. clearly an indirect result of affirmative action. "

dante wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:34 PM:

" okay, and DEWDROP , please get the REAL obama quotes, not the propagandized ones. "

dante wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:29 PM:

" okay, yet another try to get something posted. .... INTERESTING FACT---was that SAT test taken before or AFTER bush embarked on his drug and alcohol adventures? and his conviction of DUI?.... DEWDROP, i question the candidates because IM NOT A BLIND PARTY BOY. i belong to NO political party, thus my questions on obama. JIM S---what dimension are you living in? do you travel between them, this one and the one you seem to also be in? how do you do that? "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 3, 2008 9:20 PM:

" Rasmus wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Rex, McCain was on David Letterman on Oct. 18, 2001 and said there were indications that the anthrax may have come from Iraq. "

MAY HAVE, do you understand any English at all? It may have come from any place! Planting flasehoods on these boards again!~

There is no where that he says, "I know it came from Iraq! " "

Interesting Fact wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:30 PM:

" You may be interested in the fact that bush scored a 1206 on his SAT which puts him in the top 10% of the nation. If you are calling him dumb, what does that make the other 90% of the nation? "

Jim S wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:25 PM:

" A lot of those who claim to be liberal are on welfare. People on welfare seem to hate the right and GW the most. I wonder why that is? How many stimulas checks have you getten from Bush and how namy have you gotten from any other President? Just wondering. "

Jim S wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:21 PM:

" Mom Of Teens, How is this country in such a mess? For the better part of 71/2 years the economy has been more than robust. Anyone could buy a house, unemployment rates were low, interest rates have been low and the stock market went from a little over 9K to almost 15K points. Even tho things are a little tighter now than in the past 7 years, ask your grandparents what bad is and I am sure they will tell you that 1929 might have been a bad year or most of the 1930's were a mess. You are spoiled, I am spoiled, Americans in general are spoiled. If thiings here are tuff now, one might look and say that since the left took over a slight lead in head count on the hill, things have gotten worse. We have a banking and a houing issue now, as far as the housing crisis goes; how is that Bushes fault? I don't have a housing crisis, I don't have a bank crisis nor do I have a banking crisis. I would give GW credcit because he isn't responsible for me not having these crisis, just like it wouldn't be his fault if I did have some sort of crisis. I really do want to know how is this country a real mess? Gas? Put it into perspective with other consumable items. Water, milk, sota pop, printer ink are all more expensive than gas. Gas in Europe is twicew what it is here. Look at how everything else in life has gone up but gas has never kept up with the rate of inflation. Life here is not bad but if you think it is, by all means live somewhere else where it is better. Good Luck! "

Rasmus wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Rex, McCain was on David Letterman on Oct. 18, 2001 and said there were indications that the anthrax may have come from Iraq. On "meet the press' on Oct. 21, 2001, McCain and Lieberman were there to promote attacking Iraq. Joe L. said about the anthrax that "there's either a significant amount of money behind this, or this is state-sponsored, or this is stuff that was stolen from the former Soviet program." ABC still won't name their sources that named Iraq as the supplier of the anthrax and the US Gov. scientist who supposedly mailed the anthrax is conveniently dead. That Patriot Act passed in a hurry, didn't though?? "

Rugby Reader wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:35 PM:

" Iraq was NEVER a threat to the United States. Cheney/Bush should be impeached for lying to the American people and misleading our nation into an unnecessary and illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. God bless, Semper Fi, and peace...

http://norseberserker.blogspot.com "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:04 PM:

" And if you think Bush is smarter than Al Gore or John Kerry, then you really ARE brainwashed!! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:03 PM:

" Rex, I weary you? I WEARY you. Yep, sounds like a Bush supporter to me. Dewdrop, I think most of us have ALREADY given you very good reason to dislike George W Bush; I realize that is difficult to hear, but the facts do speak for themselves whether you want them to or not. As far as the whole "rock star" thing; that's likely you expressing the opinions of Fox news or Bill O again; big suprise there. You really shouldn't shoplift phrases without quoting your sources, it shows evidence of brainwashing. I never said Bill was a rock star and I don't go around saying that about Obama; I mean really.... how immature! As for Hillary, I WAS behind Hillary, but she obviously didn't get the nomination did she?? And since I would rather have a painful medical procedure like a root canal than ever vote Republican, then Obama it is; and I'm ok with that! "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:41 PM:

" MOM OF TEENS, It seems you have a real hatred for Bush..... and you have every right to feel anyway you want but, just because you feel that way... does not mean that is the actual view of most people or that is the way it actually is! Time will show us more what the war in Iraq will mean to us and to the Iraqi people. Does it really matter if a man can 'talk' or is a good orator? What matters is what he does, not how he can 'speak or be a 'rock star'! You thought Bill Clinton was a 'rock star', and all he did was chase women in skirts or withour skirts! Where will he go down in History as a 'good' president? All the Dems claimed he was so good, all the 'peace and prosperity' that bill grr and vor like to preach about and yet, they will not back Hillary, nor did you apparenty. If Clinton was such a good president, why didn't you all stand behind Hillary? Her policy would have been the same as Bill's! Traitors! Oh, maybe there was not such peace and prosperity under Bill!

I have seen more people say that Obama is a 'rock star' We do not need a rock star as the leader of our country, we need a person, man or woman that can lead....
If, as you say 'Bush was not a success' at anything, he must certainly have been a very smart man to get elected twice as the President..... I guess there goes your theory! The Dems aways claim a Republican is 'dumb' but, Bush had to be smarter than Algore and John Kerry! So how dumb was gore and kerry?LOL "

REX wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:15 PM:

" Mom of teens, you weary me. George Bush is cleaning up Bill Clinton's mess. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:27 AM:

" Wolf, where does it say that John McCain SAID the anthrax CAME from Iraq? Show me that, if you can!

See, more lies form the left! And these are the people that want
"Obama for change"? "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:09 AM:

" To Rex, keep telling yourself that; George W. Bush can't be put in the same category as Edgar Allen Poe, the man can barely talk; but nice try anyway; and with the exception of Hilter, none of the men you mentioned can be compared to George W. Bush!! Get real! With the exception of Hilter, all the men you spoke about actually went on to do something great! That doesn't exactly apply to GWB. George W Bush will be remembered for making a mess of this country and leaving it for someone else to clean up; your comparisons are actually laughable!! "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:30 AM:

" McClellan appeared on MSNBC's "Hardball with Chris Matthews." Asked if the White House distributed "talking points" to friendly Fox journalists such as O'Reilly, McClellan said sure.
So, did McClellan lie or did Mathews try to get him to lie? Either way, no one can trust either McClellan or Mathews! You complain that Fox News is not factual? LOL.... I think you need a reality check! "

dante wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:24 AM:

" REX, hitler "found the key(temporarily) to success"....and you mention bush and all the other guys? NICE!!!! i dont know what else to say. SUCCESS? keep that picture of george on the wall with all of your other SUCCESS stories. you are an amazing fellow. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:23 AM:

" dante says....i really dont know if obama is something different ...

hmmmm I thought that was his whole PLAN to be different. He screams it loud and clear..... I am the change the world has been waiting for...LOL "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:54 AM:

" Bill GRRR says: "Dewdrop don't you have a filter in your noggin? Do you just spew out anything you hear about Obama without first checking the facts? You really should take a deep breath. You are only helping him. Thank you! "

I guess if I am helping Obama on here, WHY do YOU want me to quit? LOL It seems you do not want others to hear the truth about Obama! Oh, BTW, I just bought the book, 'Obama Nation' by Dr. Jerome Corsi. If any one wants to read about Obama, this is an eye opener. If course the Demcrats will not like it, they with try to smear the man that wrote it. I began reading it yesterday and could not put it down! "

Jim S wrote on Aug 3, 2008 6:05 AM:

" RR, Don't you ever get tired of repeating the same hog wash over and over. There will be no impeachment hearings, no war crimes. Bush gave the same info he got from the CIA. Iraq was a threat and did have WMD's. For 61/2 years America was at an all time best with the lowest unemployment rate of all time, the econimy has always been great, interest rates have been low, housing was good. Things have changed a little bit since Capitol hill started to lean to the left but America is still showing economic growth and has for the past 2 quaters. "

VoR wrote on Aug 3, 2008 12:56 AM:

" Stumped, Your false and inflammatory rhetoric is typical of the desperate cries of the legion of low information voters, blinded by fear and ignorance. Had you done your research you would have known, without me telling you that when Senator Barack Obama became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, his campaign plane underwent a month long refurbishment to get it ready for the general election campaign, a process that included reconfiguring the interior seating of the Boeing 757-200ER passenger aircraft chartered from North American Airlines and modifying the exterior markings to identify the aircraft as Barack Obama's official campaign plane. The latter activity included replacing the North American Airline color scheme and markings with the Obama campaign slogan ("Change We Can Believe In"), the BARACKOBAMA.COM domain name and Obama's sunrise/flag "O" campaign logo.

The replacement of North American's commercial markings included the removal of two stylized U.S. flag images which are used in the airline's logo (A REGESTERED TRADEMARK OF THAT COMPANY), while the traditional depiction of the U.S. flag adjacent to the planes registration numbers was retained.

So as log as you are slinging mud at Obama for this, it might interest you to know that some other recent candidates have also modified their campaign planes with logos and campaign markings. For example, Bob Dole, George W. Bush & John Kerry, as well as another current presidential candidate John McCain's "Straight Talk Express" campaign plane.

The people of Europe do love him because they can see how much damage has been done to this country over the past 8 years and want it to end. If you plan to continue living here, why not learn to respect the process by which we select our leaders and stop sounding like a petulant child. "

dante wrote on Aug 3, 2008 12:21 AM:

" to be a blind member of ANY political party is SERFDOM....give them your money... they love it... the return... is the dollar amount THEY get... the rest is covert obebience... they DONT CARE!!! maybe obama IS different.?.. as always, all we can do is hope... "

dante wrote on Aug 2, 2008 11:21 PM:

" scott mc clellan is like america...lied to, manipulated , to the point of confusion/brainwash. give it up, diehards, its only gonna take a terrible mental toll when its all exposed to the daylight(its here)....i really dont know if obama is something different or caring in the plastic world that our career elite politicians have us believing in, like a favorite football team or something like that. come on, politics IS for the rich and favored, they lie to us and WE LIKE IT!!! we are not on the team, we are THE PLAYING FIELD!!! is obama different? i hope so, for all of us. i HOPE he doesnt screw us...its been WAY too easy, and WE DONT CARE(we dont care-taken from a sex pistols song) "

stumped wrote on Aug 2, 2008 9:13 PM:

" Oh believe me Mr. Tiggelarr, you don't want the kinds of change Obama is talking about making. Had you done your research, you would know that without me telling you. First of all the guy is anti-American and that alone ought to be enough to definitely not want him in charge. Are you blind? He won't salute the American Flag, he took the American Flag off of his campaign jet and he is counseled by an extremest! To him, all you are is a peon in a nutshell. You still want him to be your commander in cheif? Then maybe you need to go live in Europe with the rest of the people that love him. Anti-American=terrorist. We ought to be treating him like the terrorist he acts like! "

REX wrote on Aug 2, 2008 6:29 PM:

" Mom of teens, I don't think Bush seemingly having failed at "basically everything he did before he became president" is any kind of indication of a man's potential. Oscar Schindler followed the same pattern, saved thousands of jews from extermination and failed again. Leo Tolstoy didn't learn to ride a bicycle until he was 76 years old. U. S. Grant was an absolute failure until the Civil War and then turned out to be the only man who could win for the Union. He went on to be president of the United States. Col. Sanders was past retirement when he rewrote American fast food culture. Edgar Rice Burroughs was considered nearly insane with his mumblings and secretive writings that left us with Tarzan. Edgar Allen Poe failed in his literary and editorial attempts until he realized that sensation sells. Even Adolph Hitler was a destitute painter of forgetable landscapes until he found the key (temporarily) to success. In time, when we can employ 20/20 hind sight George Bush will be seen very differently. "

VoR wrote on Aug 2, 2008 5:40 PM:

" BJB
The furor started last week when McClellan appeared on MSNBC's "Hardball with Chris Matthews." Asked if the White House distributed "talking points" to friendly Fox journalists such as O'Reilly, McClellan said sure. I wouldnt say that McClellan recanted his statement. What he did was to say that he allowed Matthews to phrase a question incorrectly and he didnt correct it when he answered. And yes like a fair minded person he apologized to OReilly for this oversight.

MATTHEWS: Did people say call Sean, call Bill, call whoever? Did you do that as a regular thing?

McCLELLAN: Certainly. Certainly. It wasnt necessarily something I was doing, but it was something that we at the White House, yes, were doing.

Then O'Reilly after calling McClellan a "liar" and an "idiot" on his radio show Monday, promised to have some fun with the former White House Press Secretary on his TV show that night, insisting that he, the great ratings king of the Fox News network, did not need talking points from the Bush White House.

OREILLY: Matthews played you. ... He played you! You should be mad at him!

McCLELLAN: So you dont owe me an apology for calling me a liar?

OREILLY: You are a liar! You said I received talking points and I didnt!

McCLELLAN: No I didnt! I was not confirming that. Im telling you right now
OREILLY: Oh youre parsing the damn thing! Come on, be honest! ... He baited you! He baited you! ... Youre crazy! Youre partners with [NBC] in selling your book!

McClellan, who claims in his book that he was misled by White House officials, conceded that he "messed up" by replying affirmatively to Matthews' question without rebutting the specific names Chris mentioned.
"I was specifically not trying to single anyone out, including you," said McClellan. "There were people, not you, but there were people." "

dante wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:41 PM:

" yes, i also think that scott mclellan is an easy candidate for "putting words in his mouth....." thats why he wrote the slings and arrows book about his membership in the George Bush Experience. he wanted to clear his conscience of all the manipulation and lies he had to swallow. yes, BJB, a point well made. "

seven gone wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:40 PM:

" good to see all the dyed in the wool marxists out to defend their sweet prince with their moveon.org rhetoric yet again. funny what passes for "facts" nowadays; any viewpoint other than their own of course has to be wrong! so stamp out foxnews, y'all, the liberal media is right all the time and they need to make you aware of it, so you too can think just like them,. hypocrites, and robots, all of you. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:39 PM:

" BJB.....What McCleelen apologized for was saying O'Reilly was standing at the fax machine. O'Reilly has people to do that for him.

''The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering "

mom-of-teens wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:40 AM:

" Mike, how exactly is that any different than electing Bush as president, who failed at basically everything he did BEFORE becoming president?? He failed as a business man; he failed as governor of Texas . . . That should have been a CLUE right there and still some of you elected him anyway, and he stayed true to form and failed miserably!! Mccain won't do much better. The mere fact that he is a "seasoned politician" just proves that he will be more of the same... corruption and politics as usual.... I'm willing to take my chances on Obama . . . he certainly can't do much worse, and the fact that he lacks the "ole boys club" card makes him THAT MUCH MORE appealling! But thanks for so being concerned; most of us here KNOW what we want, and it just isn't your guy; sorry! "

VoR wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:39 AM:

" FOX NEWSFLASH Gravity is it a scientific mystery or another liberal plot to keep us all down. You decide. Check the corresponding story in yesterdays Wall Street Journal. "

BJB wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Bill Garr and VoR:

Now, you must have seen on The O'Reily Factor when Bill took on McClellen about his statement he made to Chris Mathews, right? McClellen recanted his statement and APOLOGIZED to O'Reilly. McClellen even blamed Mathews for putting words in his mouth and cutting him off. How is that good reporting?Thanks for your reponses, but I still want to know what you think of MSNBC, CNN, ABC, being rated so low. "

dante wrote on Aug 2, 2008 9:48 AM:

" i USED to watch fox news. all the bushfest love talk made me go away. john gibson was a total waste, homophobe-pallid vampire, a nasty man. o'reilly-his actions speak for themselves. HUME shamelessly defended the lack of body armor in the early stages of the bush jihad in iraq, WHILE our guys were dying needlessly there for lack of these vital items. gibson actually read some of my letters on the air, then blasted them. anyway, i soon had my fill of all the pep rally for the worst president/worst war decision ever. fox news is on my "dont even make casual eye contact" list, along with many individuals in my peresonal life. guess what?----these words and thoughts are my own----AS ALWAYS. "

REX wrote on Aug 2, 2008 9:46 AM:

" I was never a Hillary fan but I have to praise her for her behavior upon losing the nomination of her party. Hillary accepted defeat gracefully and went quietly back to the Senate, for now anyway. What she did not do was blame her loss on gender bias. She did not claim that her detractors were out to get her because she was a woman. I can't say the same for Obama. Barak continuously brings up the subject of race, especially if he is ( or even thinks he is) being critcized. If he loses it will be because of race. If he wins it will be because of race. Barak Obama has made this presidential campaign an issue of race. But then again, my experience has shown me that the minorities are often the most racist. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 2, 2008 9:02 AM:

" BJB.... I am an avid Fox news watcher. I must watch at least 2 hrs. a day. There is an old saying....'' Keep your friends close and your enemies closer''. Can you honestly say that this station is ''Fair and Balanced''? Are you just done with all other news outlets BJB? Scotty McClellen just admitted that the Whitehouse faxed their talking points to Fox news daily. This has never been done before ''w'' took office. Don't you think thats problematic?

Dewdrop don't you have a filter in your noggin? Do you just spew out anything you hear about Obama without first checking the facts? You really should take a deep breath. You are only helping him. Thank you! "

VoR wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:29 AM:

" To BJB, I certainly don't speak for anyone else but since you asked. Fox news and The Wall Street Journal are blatantly biased toward the administration and the Republican party. Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan told MSNBC interviewer Chris Matthews on July 26th Certainly there were commentators and other, pundits at FOX News, that were useful to the White House. McClellan also told MSNBCs Keith Olbermann that it was done frequently, especially on high-profile issues and that Fox often gave the White House its desired results. McClellan also admitted that certainly the White House used Fox News talking heads as spokespeople with a script.
As to why so many people watch them, it's a mystery to me. I generally watch CNN. They at least try to be neutral. Does this mean that Republicans outnumber Democrats in the population by 2 to 1? I doubt it, but we'll all have a better idea come November. "

dante wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:25 AM:

" FOX is for those that are TOO LAZY to make up their own minds. they just are feeling the convenience (laziness) of being told what to do and what to think. i salute rupert and the propaganda gang. "we tell you what to do and think, and YOU DECIDE"..... "

smartasawhip wrote on Aug 1, 2008 11:36 PM:

" The facts are: The 5 PM Fox news did a humor story about Clinton supporters not voting for Obama because he was too skinny. This was reported in the Wall Street Journal and re-reported during this news cast. It was clearly humor, poking fun at people who vote for silly reasons. Maybe there is something to that no spin zone stuff! "

BJB wrote on Aug 1, 2008 11:17 PM:

" To VoR and other that criticize Fox News:

I am genuinly curious on your thoughts on Fox News Channel being the highest rated cable news network. Since many claim it is slanted to the right, are you saying there are more Rebublicans in America? How do you explain MSNBC rating one of the poorest news channels? It will be interesting to hear some responses. Also, I am wondering how many critics of Fox News have actually watched it for more than an hour. Thank you. "

VoR wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:02 PM:

" OBAMA IS TOO SKINNEY TO BE PRESIDENT!!! My God, you can just see the fear and desperation oozing from each ever more anxiety riddled pronouncement.

Yeah America wouldn't want to be put in the hands of some emaciated, thin guy like say, Abraham Lincoln, right? Bad shot Fox, reload and try again, We all know that you will. "

dante wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:09 PM:

" and the latest..... Obama is TOO thin! yeah.... really. we need a big fat guy like the late Chris Farley. wasnt he great when in the closing scenes of "Almost Heroes", after his group of ragged explorers beat Lewis and Clark to the pacific ocean, yelled at them-----"Go Home Losers!!..and L& C turned around and walked away? yeah, fat guys are leaders and VERY presidential!... thanks rupert murdoch, for the rocket-scientist-political guru insight on this VERY important consideration before voting. "

Wolf wrote on Aug 1, 2008 7:32 PM:

" American anthrax used to kill Americans, and every single Republican, including John McCain was saying that it came from Iraq.

If you trust these Republicans then vote for them, but they play on peoples fear, ignorance, and greed for the rubes they think you are. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:47 PM:

" Oh my God!! You poor North Dakotans will have to look and listen to a black man, who is also a muslim,flip-flopper,and the worst thing is he is inexperienced!! LOL-LOL. You people are UNBELIEVABLE! I think you deserve more of bush and mccain. Oh well, Not to worry, your few ignorant votes will NOT matter in the end, because Senator Barack Obama WILL be our next president. Whether you people like it or not. "

VoR wrote on Aug 1, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Dewdrop, Why don't you try getting your information from a source other than Fox News? Here are the FACTS: At 7:42 a.m. ET on July 24, the German magazine Der Spiegel's online "Obama Live Ticker" reported that "Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate." According to Der Spiegel: "The visits were planned for Friday. 'Barack Obama will not be coming to us,' a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. 'I don't know why.' Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama." Accusations by conservative bloggers and Republican officials -- echoed in the media -- that Obama was "snubbing" wounded soldiers or that he placed greater importance on "working out" or "shopping" immediately followed the Der Spiegel report.

These allegations against Obama were almost immediately debunked. NBC News chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell, who accompanied Obama on his overseas trip, reported on the morning of July 25 that Obama met with wounded soldiers in Iraq "without photographers" and that the plan for the Landstuhl visit had been to "leave the press corps on the tarmac." Mitchell and others would revisit the allegation several times, each time declaring it to be "false" or without factual basis. Nevertheless, the claim that Obama canceled the Landstuhl visit because he could not bring the media along continued to drive media coverage.

According to the Obama campaign, the Pentagon had informed them that the visit "would be viewed ... as a campaign event," and "Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see
our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event."

Now Dewdrop, exactly who is a liar? "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:51 PM:

" BJB & Mike....the experienced guy was the head of a major corporation and then two term governor of a major state. The other was a one term House member who decided not to run for re-election and then lost a Senate race.

The experienced guy turned out to be George W. Bush. The other guy? Oh yeah, Abe Lincoln . . .

Granted Obama may not carry the great state Of North Dakota, we have the proud distinction of voting for ''w''. [twice] Worst president ever! "

VoR wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:44 PM:

" Mike, Here's a bit of amazing trivia for this historic election: It's the first time two sitting senators will run against each other as their party's nominee for president. In fact, only two sitting senators have ever even been elected president--John F. Kennedy, ( a 1'st term senator) from Mass. who ran against then Vice-President Richard Nixon in 1960, and Warren G. Harding, an Ohio Republican who beat the Democratic governor from his home state to win the 1920 election.

It's easy to get elected from the Senate if you're only running against other senators; the task proves far more difficult if your opposition is a governor or an incumbent national office holder. In the last 30 years, only two sitting senators have received their party's nomination: Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in 2004, and Sen. Robert Dole, R-Kan., in 1996. (Dole left the Senate mid-term to run for president.) Before that, you have to go back to the 1972 bid of Sen. George McGovern, D-S.D.

With six-year terms, senators have long histories of roll-call votes. They often appear to flip-flop on issues, or will vote against a slightly different version of a bill--remember John Kerry's claim about voting for war funding before he voted against it? Other times, a senator will vote for a bill simply because there is an amendment attached that would be favorable to his or her constituents.

This amounts to a field day for opposition research teams: Few things are easier to twist in a 30-second campaign spot than a Senate voting record. There is also one very dark fact about the two senators who have attained the presidency--each has died in his first term as president. Kennedy was assassinated before serving three full years in office. Harding was felled by a heart attack in 1923. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Mike, good comments! Four short years is NOT enough experience to run this country! Obamas may be a 'rock star' in other countries but, he is totally losing in the polls right now in this country! Lst week with his 'tour' of the World as his rock star status, he gained one whole point and then after the did not go see OUR wounded troops, because he could not take all his photo op people with him he called it off, saying the people there told him he could not go there.... What a liar! "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:24 PM:

" BBB, good post! I do agree with you! And to the point of Bill, that Bush stole the elections... what a good imagination Bill has! Is Bush really that smart? Or are the Democrats in FL that stupid? What about when JFJ's daddy bought the election for him? The Dems do not say anything about that! Nor do they say anything about the hatchet job tha Dan Rather tried to pull on Bush!

This is NOT about Bush, it is about Obama not being the right person for this job....
It has nothing to do with the color of his skin, by the way, people Obama is half white! Or doesn't his mother's race mean anything? Obama even 'put down' his white grandmother, after she took care of him when HIS FATHER, was nowhere around! Shame on Obama! This man wants to tell us what to do? "

BJB wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:17 PM:

" Mike, we won't have to worry about Obama or his inexperience, he simply will not get elected. "

Mike wrote on Aug 1, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Maybe someone can help me here, who would want your work place run by someone with 4yrs of experience? obama is a first term senator and has 4yrs of experience at the senate and we would elect him to run the country?He would be my first choice if i was electing a public speaker but heck we are electing someone to lead our country for atleast 4 and possibly 8yrs. If someone with 4yrs experience cant run a business how the heck can they run the most powerful nation in the world? I just dont get it. I am not saying mccain is the right choice, but atleast with him we know what to expect as we know more about him for the last few decades. I really dont know what to expect out of obama as he doesnt have much to show for in the last 4yrs. "

PoeticJustice wrote on Aug 1, 2008 2:30 PM:

" The accusations of flip-flopping for political expediency coming from the McCain camp are indeed laughably pathetic. The agile 72-year-old Senator has not only flip-flopped -- he's done double back somersaults and triple axles. The new old John McCain has even up-ended his position on Iraq, suddenly saying Barack Obama's troop withdrawal plan is "pretty good." So yes, accusations of unprincipled political posturing from the Captain of the Straight Talk Express are horrifyingly funny. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 1, 2008 2:15 PM:

" Oh BBB, Oh BBB,.... Those who forget the past often times repeat it. Like I said, your rhetoric sounds familiar. If I'm reading you right, you and 23% of U.S. citizens, think we should ''stay the course'' and continue alienating the rest of the world. Playing this'' whack a mole'' terrorist strategy until all the money in the treasury is gone. Listen BBB if we couldn't get it done in 7 years , there is ample evidence it's simply not working. We are the United States of America, the greatest country on the face of this planet. We tried and failed doing it your way, now get out of the way while we clean up your mess. We're not even going to question your patriotism or tell you to leave our great counrty, just move. YOU BLEW IT! "

VoR wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:34 PM:

" This discussion about Obama being a flip-flopper coming from the McCain camp seems a bit odd. John McCain (who I supported in 2000) was against the Bush tax cuts, now he wants to make them permanent. McCain was against offshore drilling, now he thinks we should start drilling ASAP. He was pro choice, now hes both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade. The old McCain didnt want an amendment and didnt want Roe overturned. The new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain. In 1983 Sen. McCain voted against a Martin Luther King Holiday, In 1990, McCain persuaded Ronald Reagan to support an Arizona holiday for King.

According to a review by Gun Owners of America (GOA), "...in 2001, McCain went from being a supporter of anti-gun bills to being a lead sponsor". McCain's GOA rating is F-. He was strongly against torture of prisoners (an understandable position in his case). Now he says torture is justifiable. In May, when Pres. Bush likened Obamas willingness to open a dialogue with Iran to Disraelis appeasement of Adolf Hitler before WWII, McCain immediately jumped on and agreed with the comment. Now he supports the administrations "contacts" with Iran. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now hes pro-ethanol. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

McCain criticized Jerry Falwell (who said Americans deserved the 9/11 attacks) and Pat Robertson as agents of intolerance in 2002, but has since spoken at the graduation ceremony at Liberty University. He also sought out the endorsements of TV evangelists John Hagee (Who calls the Catholic Church The great prostitute and claims that Hurricane Katrina was sent by God to punish the gays in New Orleans) and Rod Parsley, who advocates a war with Islam. Now he has renounced their support.

Actually these flip-flopping charges are standard Republican tactics. But I recall hearing an old saying, something about people who live in glass houses. "

Engr wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:15 PM:

" To BBB - Thank you! I appreciated those posts!!! "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:06 PM:

" To VoR: As I stated before, I believe you can have the same effect by paraphrasing. I am familiar with the book you are now quoting. I'm not sure what the point is, but it is not a good use of your time or mine. Feel free to email or call me if you would like to talk about it. jason.lueder@bismarcktribune.com or 701-250-8291. "

BBB wrote on Aug 1, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Dear Mr. Bill, Yes, you are correct GW did steal the 2000 and 2004 elections and you have been trying to prove it now for all these years. It is not Reps or Dems it is good and evil right and wrong. The truth is good. Right or wrong is judgement.
Please keep working on that stolen election thing I think that is a winning strategy. Oh thats right nobody cares. "

BBB wrote on Aug 1, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Dear Rugby Reader, It is my understanding you are not an Obama or McCain supporter, that certainly is fine. However it is abundantly clear you hate the President and Vice President. That is fine too. Unfortunately, illegal, immoral, unjustified, unconstitutional, crimes (your terms) are just left wing yap. You can be assured W and Dick will leave office and YOU will never be heard from again. Perhaps you could chat a little about other old news-most of the left has moved on to some other scare tactic. Here is what I know. When gas went from 30 cents to 60 cents it was Nixons fault (you could talk about that too). When interest rates on mortgages went to 18% it was Reagans fault (please a few words here too) and on and on and on. I have lived through four mortgages I have paid for 80 plus cars my interest rates have never been lower and I try to make good decisions about my life. What would be so wrong with saying something nice for a change. Doom and gloom doesn't make anyone else look bad or weak but you. "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 1, 2008 10:15 AM:

" To VoR: I think you could make the same point by paraphrasing his words. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 1, 2008 10:15 AM:

" BBB... thanks for setting me straight. Your comments sound strangely familiar. By the way Bush STOLE 2 elections, [Florida in 2000, Ohio 2004], get over it! Check your Fox facts. JUST SAY NO TO rEPUBLICANS. "

LJK wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:48 AM:

" I am so dreading the next 3 months until the election. The ads, the whining, the cheap shots thrown out, only to hide behind a shield of moral superiority when the shots get thrown back. I already hate these two and they're just getting warmed up. "

Online Editor wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:47 AM:

" To VoR: One reference in your comment needs to be changed or removed before it can be posted. "

BBB wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Dear Mr. bill garr, by in large your comments are factually inaccurate, taking most of your info directly from left wing blogs and so outrageously arrogant that you are laughable. And by the way there will never be an impeachment or trial for war crimes or any other thign of the current President or Vice President. Is it possible that perhaps you might get with the events of the present-old news is just old news. And by the way Bush won twice get over it. This is about new candidates. Nancy is presiding over the house with the lowest ratings in the history of the Nation. How is that working for you Bill. "

Dewdrop wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:28 AM:

" SE Forty: If that is so, why did Nancy Pelosi say, , or words to the effect: 'This is the NEW congress Bush is going to have to deal with'??? Being speaker went to her head or what? "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:21 AM:

" Some people on here have very short [ yet convenient] memory lapses. Hey Dewdrop! The house has 233 Democrats and 203 republicans. Hardly a majority. Keep up your desperate attempts at blurring the line. I actually see beads of sweat on you. Now what about that false Obama quote you keep trumpeting? As for the other rumors, I can't tell how many times you have changed your name on here. I'm BILL G-A-R-R and have always been BILL G-A-R-R. I'm not one to fake a movement by going under different names. Ouy era a rail! "

Rugby Reader wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 PM:

" Here are more crimes committed by Cheney/Bush that require impeachment:

Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.

Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States.

God bless, Semper Fie and peace... "

SE Forty wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:32 PM:

" I thought it was tecnically a push at 49 vs 49 in the senate. HMMMM Somebody jump in here. "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:27 PM:

" How many of you people know that the rating of The NEW Democratic Congress is at an all time low of 9%? Nancy Pelosi has been bragging aobut how this is a new Congress that GW Bush as to deal with.... and here are the facts from Rasmussen:
rasmussenreports.com
Tue Jul 8, 10:38 AM ET

The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.

Last month, 11% of voters gave the legislature good or excellent ratings. Congress has not received higher than a 15% approval rating since the beginning of 2008. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:16 PM:

" As far as impeachment or war crimes, It wouldn't make sense to proceed with any of this as long as bush is holding a pardon pen. Pelosi should sit tight on this till after the elections. ouy era a rail. "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Are the Dems getting desperate? I just got this letter from the democraticparty@democrats.org, and it starts out like this:

"As we face the fundraising deadline at midnight tonight, I want you to know what we are up against.

Less than 24 hours ago, the McCain campaign launched the latest and lowest in a series of misleading attack ads.

This Karl Rove-style ploy misleads people about Barack's energy plan and even mocks his ability to inspire voters and bring Americans back into the political process. "
OH MY we are misleading the people now about Barak Obama! LOL And they must be really hard up for funds now.... Maybe Obama will have to to the money he turned down before! "

PoeticJustice wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:03 PM:

" You know, after some careful consideration of the FACTS, I'm sure many Bismarck Tribune readers will reach the same well-reasoned conclusions as ZACHERY TIGGELAAR. The Democrat's brilliant, young, energetic, multi-racial Presidential candidate is just more of the same old "same old."

Concerned North Dakotans seeking change, a new direction and something completely different this election will naturally turn to George Bush's 72-year-old Republican successor, John McCain. Senator McCain's quarter-of-a-century in Washington D.C. politics practically guarantees this nation a fresh start and a chance for some real change! "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Rugby Reader, IF there were any crimes committed by Bush or Cheney, Nancy Pelosi would have begun impeachment proceedings! Get over it already!

Just because Clinton was impeached does not mean that all president will be! "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Video from the Democratic Underground:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x91306 "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Dewdrop.... At long last sir, have you no shame? The quote you are attributing to Sen. Obama was NOT his. The source was Dana Milbank in an op-ed piece.Does this even matter to you? I guess not. Did you know that John McCain [a war hero] taped 31 propaganda films for the North Vietnamese? OOPS! I'm sorry it was 32. The difference between your statement and mine is one of us is a bold faced liar. Please check your facts before you repeat Fox and Friends talking points.
Is this what this election is all about? Take a deep breath dewdrop, and tell me how Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears figure into solving the myriad of problems facing you, me, and our fellow citizens. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:56 AM:

" Hey Jason, Where is my post from this morning? Why is dewdrop allowed to propagate false rumors? I had the whole discounting of it this morning. Where is it? "

Online Editor wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM:

" To reader, writers, Bill: Please comment on the story instead of taking shots at each other. "

Rugby Reader wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:50 AM:

" BJB: Here are just a few of the crimes committed by Cheney/Bush:

Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan,
Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy "

ms wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:45 AM:

" MamaMia,

Say, on day 95, what say you to a mass roundup of individuals, culminating in a giant "terrorist fist pounding" activity? Eh? Eh? Count me in. haha.

Respectfully, "

MamaMia wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Just have to share this quote from Matt Tabbai in an article on McCain I just read: "The Moral Majority Christians and the supply-side neocons always represented two of the worst and most vile impulses in the American character - mass, willful ignorance and total, shameless greed." 95 days and counting, folks; 95 days and counting. "

PoeticJustice wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Yeah, I can't tolerate people who are full of themselves. But it's certainly true -- the best way to destroy a fool is to let him publicly post his foolishness. "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Obama WOULD NOT (not could not) even visit our wounded miitary! Why? Because he could not have a photo op with them? Or because he would not answer the real question, is the surge working... ? "

BJB wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:37 AM:

" You have a good point Rugby Reader, however, I strongly disagree with your war crimes opinion. What evidence do you have that would make you say that? And how is Bush/Cheeny different from other presidents that took us to war? Just curious. Now, my point of view is as such: If you are the president/CEO of a company or business, you are indeed the one in charge. The decision maker. However, wouldn't it benefit your company to listen to the employees? I'm a teacher and the person in my school that has the best advise are the custodial staff. Why? They see all aspects of the school from the top down. Their input is
valuable. "

Wolf wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:08 AM:

" Neither McCain nor Obama can stop the destruction that is coming to this country. The lies, deceit, avarice and greed that has occurred for the past 12 years will be paid for and it won't be fair. The free market has been destroyed and no one's word is good anymore. Caveat Emptor. "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:12 AM:

" Has anyone seen how 'full of himself' Obama has been lately? "I am the one the world has been waiting for"!

I do not remember who said this but hee it is:
The best way to destroy a fool is to let him talk. "

Rugby Reader wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:26 AM:

" The Cheney/Bush regime has successfully abdicated it's responsibility for bungled foreign policy by repeating that mantra, "listen to the generals", and getting the American people to accept it. When it comes to unconstitutional foreign interventions, the military is subordinate to the commander-in-chief. Cheney/Bush has elevated the military to the position of authority in the case of the Iraq occupation. That way Cheney/Bush can claim they are not responsible for the war crimes they have committed. The potential next president seems to be speaking the same language. "

to bjb wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:24 PM:

" Because he was wrong, thats why he flip-flopped. Just as the letter says,

"Is this what we want as our commander in chief - a candidate who was wrong about an important wartime decision with the surge, who is not humble enough to admit failure"

He seems to be wrong quite a bit on matters pertaining to foreign policy and quite frankly thats a huge issue today. "

BJB wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Hey Rugby Reader:

Have you ever thought that we are not pulling out of Iraq because the generals on the ground advise us not to!? Whether or not we should be there in the first place is another debate. For the present time we have to listen to the people who are actually over there on the ground, fighting the fight. Why do you think Obama flip-flopped on his opinion of this issue? "

Rugby Reader wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:38 PM:

" "We need to get away from foreign oil!" - Dewdrop

We need to get our military forces out of Iraq and end the occupation! We need a candidate that will do just that. Neither corporate candidate representing the Republican or Democrat parties are advocating this course of action. Nothing is going to change for US when Obama takes office. "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:20 PM:

" Ron Paul.... LOL.... ROFL... although he would be better than Obama, but, not by much! He would do the same thing that Ross Perot did.... he got Clinton elected!and that is one reason why we have high oil prices right now! If Bill Cliniton would not have closed off the drilling, our oil companiews would be drilling right now in ANWR and off the coasts and we would be producing our own oil and not paying the middle east countries, who would rather stab us in the back but, they need us to buy their oil!
We need to get away from foreign oil! I have land here in ND that will be under oil production soon if things keep on going the way they are but, I want us to have more oil to drop the price for all of us!
DRILL HERE! DRILL NOW! PAY LESS! Sign the petition here:
http://www.americansolutions.com/

Get the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi and Barak Obama to understand we mean business! "

Amused wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:26 PM:

" Oh how the title of this story says it all.....a politician is a politician is a politician....beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing. "

Rugby Reader wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:01 PM:

" Ron Paul would have gotten my vote if the leadership of the Republican party was more intelligent than a box of locusts. They snubbed the best chance they had to retain the White House by not choosing Ron Paul as their candidate. "

To Brady wrote on Jul 30, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Ron Paul "

Dewdrop wrote on Jul 30, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Democrats... Obama is a change? From what... to what? Beware! This man may be a man of change.... for the worse. Things may not be perfect in thsi country but, they could get alot worse! Do you realy want socialized medicine? Obama will bring us one step closer to that! Ruight now the Canadians that can afford to come here for health care are doing so becasue they cannot afford to sit and wait many months to see a Dr. in Cananda. Have you noticed how many Canadian Dr. are practicing here in ND? Ask your self.. Why?

Are we really willing to take that step? We better think long and hard at what we really want... Change for the sake of change is not always good. Think of the times you wanted something so bad.... and when you finally got it, it did not compare to the old! "

Deb wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:55 AM:

" You know what else I heard?? OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!!

And... get this... he's BLACK!! "

Democrat wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:33 AM:

" seriously, zack hit it on the spot. I am so frustrated with Obama and his new foreign policy. As a democrat I stood against wars and being war mongers, now I'm stuck with one as a candidate. Just goes to show that both sides have lousy candidates "

to Whatever wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Apparently you live under a rock and going to stand behind Obama no matter what he says or does. You are just like the Bush supporters today. Obama flip flops on every issue trying to make sure he says what he thinks the people want to hear. He is attempting to align with McCain in hopes that just belonging to the party not currently in power gets him voted in. He speaks of change, change, change, but does not tell us what that change will be. He has no ideas of his own and nothing to show us that tomorrow will be better than today. Alas, McCain is not a great candidate either, but at least takes a stand and does not back down when pressured. This will be a sad election as neither candidate is a good one. Both are well below average, both will inherit a mess and spend their 4 years fingerpointing before being defeated in 2012 by anyone whoever opposes them. "

LL wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Reader, you are correct. Not all change is good but having lived through the current administration (just when you thought it could not get any worse, it always did) I will and am giving Barack Obama all of my support. I have studied him like no other candidate in the sixty-six years of my life and like what I have discovered. Will he make mistakes? Yes, but not like the current administration has! The sun is coming up on a new day. "

NYxND wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Nice try.

"Nation Building" in Afghanistan?

Obama's stance on Afghanistan hasn't changed. If you had been paying any attention over the last 6 years you would know that Iraq was a needless distraction. The taliban and al qaeda are in Afghanistan. Bin Laden may still be there as well. Do I need to point out that al qaeda was responsible for 9-11? That the taliban harbored them? Sounds like I might. (You are aware that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, right?)

I'm sure there will be some here who will defend Mr. Tiggelaar's distortions. This tactic of twisting reality really insults the intelligence of the general public. It is heartening to know that a majority of people are not blindly listening to statements such as this and forming their own opinions. Pushing this type of distortion is disgraceful, insulting and unseemly. It also seems a bit desperate. "

MamaMia wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:44 AM:

" 96 days and counting. . . "

Reader wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:16 AM:

" Change is not always good. Beware of this guy before placing your vote. "

Brady wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Will someone, anyone, please identify a politician that will be any different than what is described in this letter? Seriously, find one and tell us how he/she qualifies to be any different. I'll be here all day. "

WHATEVER wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:49 AM:

" Tiggelaar spews forth a lot of baseless propaganda, most of which is the opposite of where Obama stands on the issues (keeping the troops in Iraq? nation building in Afghanistan? Where do these people come up with this garbage???). It really doesn't matter though, because this entire election hinges on one single thing: have people learned their lesson yet? Have people had enough Republican corruption and fascism? If so, Obama will be the next president. If they still haven't had enough, if the lesson has not yet been learned, it will be McCain. It's that simple. "

SE Forty wrote on Jul 30, 2008 6:52 AM:

" My advice to you zach is to not vote for Obama. It would seem you are looking for a reason to not vote for the man, so just don't vote for him. Go ahead and vote for macain and you will get more of the same bush policies. When this country is even MORE ------ up because of Republican tactics then you can write in again and cry about that. My vote will be for Obama. "

D wrote on Jul 30, 2008 6:02 AM:

" Oh, there is plenty of change as compared to the last 8 years. He is highly intelligent, articulate, well informed, respected and liked around the world, and creates a new found hope for the future around the world just to name a few. Maybe, just maybe, this country can once again move into a position of world leadership and respect. "

JUST SAY NO wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:48 AM:

" What a difference 48 hours makes. With the release of the Gallup/USA Today shocker yesterday afternoon showing McCain leading by 4 points among likely voters, coupled with Rasmussen tightening down to just a 1-point Obama lead today and Gallup's tracking poll falling back to 6-points, Obama's lead in the RCP National Average is back down to 2.5% - the tightest it's been since June 7.
today and Gallup's tracking poll falling back to 6-points, Obama's lead in the RCP National Averagetoday and Gallup's tracking poll falling back to 6-points, Obama's lead in the RCP National Average is back down to 2.5% - the tightest it's been since June 7.


Time for Obama to call Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and FAST
denied "

Rugby Reader wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:28 AM:

" I'm not an Obama supporter, but it does appear that he will win in November. The letter writer is mostly correct about Obama. The differences between Obama and McCain are so slight as to be almost negligible. They are both now talking about removing our "combat forces" from Iraq 16 months from taking office. Neither are actually talking about ending Bush's illegal, immoral, unjustified, and unconstitutional occupation of Iraq. Neither are actually talking about getting our military forces out of Iraq or leaving the permanent bases we have built there. It's all just more of the same. Support the troops, bring them home now. "

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