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School rules on activities not just, fair

May 11, 2008 - 04:05:28 CDT

A school board or any other governing body can set policy, but if it's bad policy, the board can rethink the matter and change its mind.

The Bismarck School Board overstepped its responsibility on April 28 by adopting a policy that in some circumstances could turn the school authority into a kangaroo court.

Starting next school year, a student's eligibility to participate in co-curricular activities can suffer if the student is involved with things such as smoking or drinking or drug using.

Note well: Involved, not necessarily doing the wrong thing. Being present in a place where violation of rules of the high school activities association takes place can get the student a six-week suspension from sports, speech, theater or a list of other activities. The school district's rationale is that if young people are present in a place where others are, for example, drinking beer, they just shouldn't be there.

A tipster can report to the school administration a student who was in the place, and report it anonymously. Or there's the option of snapping a digital image with a cell phone camera and posting a student's image on the Internet.

And here is a real piece of work in the policy: The school gives itself authority over what students do during the summer or during a season when an athlete's sport is not happening or when drama club isn't working on a production and a crew member is reported as having been smoking. The suspension can be ordered for when hockey or basketball begins. There's some hokum in the policy about the timing when two weeks of a suspension during an activity might happen.

It's hard to make sense of how it's supposed to work.

The school people do allow that if information comes from a nameless tattler, it's up to the administration to prove a student's infraction - even if it's a student's guilt by association by mere presence somewhere.

Is anyone giving thought to several of the principles of common law here? Shouldn't the burden of proof always be be on the authority? Yes, indeed.

The argument is weak that the policy would give parents a disciplinary tool. "Be good, or the school might find out, and you'll have to sit out of choir for a while."

School districts say over and again they don't want to be parents or cops.

Then don't.

The school district can and does say it will take circumstances into account. How generous. A violation, even a second offense that earns an 18-week suspension, will not follow a student's record to the next school year. How magnanimous.

Even if a school district shrinks from regarding itself as a court, it still must be just.

There have long existed avenues for school districts to withdraw or withhold a student's eligibility. The policy in question here goes too far.

The Bismarck board should put this one back on the agenda, then make it go away, or at least rethink the specifics. None of this, however, is to suggest that it's a good thing for students to smoke, drink, use drugs or be around those who are doing it.

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safety wrote on May 19, 2008 10:16 AM:

" I'm just wondering if "Your all Nuts" still thinks that activities are a right and not a privilege. The school supt. specifically pointed out in his letter to the editor yesterday that they are in fact a privilege, not a right. "

Pretty good Policy wrote on May 18, 2008 12:25 PM:

" Totem you are so right. And kids know it! They play authority against their parents, and when parents fight the schools or law enforcement, that gives a sad message to the kids. I always tell my child if she gets in trouble in school that would be nothing compared to when she gets home. She knows better, has been taught better, and bad choices come with consequences. If it happens in school, or anywhere else, I will patiently wait my turn to do what I have to. Society has taken a lot of authority from the schools, which is too bad. Teachers can't really discipline in their classes, and they must weigh the odds if this behavior should be addressed to the parents because most of what they do is under scrutiny by parents who don't want to deal with things. That's society for ya, anything goes, you don't have to behave in school, you know more than the teachers, do your thing.... yes, little ones, you can run the show. I don't think this younger generation is doing a very good job!! Parents and society - take back control!! If my child disrupts in school, allow the school to take action. If she is speeding give her a ticket, and don't reduce it to save points!! You have my permission. Hats off to the school boards who take a stand and set expectations and allow their schools to do the same. "

JJ wrote on May 18, 2008 9:35 AM:

" A lot of rural schools have adopted the "no tolerance" and "guilty by association" policy. Is it just a coincidence that teenagers in rural areas tend to behave better and have stronger morales? I say good job Bismarck School Board, at least someone is making an effort to correct delinquent behavior, since the parents don't seem to care anymore. "

Totem wrote on May 18, 2008 7:43 AM:

" Wouldn't our job as parents be easier if we were all on the same page and could depend on society as a whole to help us reinforce guidelines rather than the current trend of lessening the expectations of our kids?"

It would be nice if it really worked that way. Parents seem to like others helping with the hard job of parenting; right up to the point where they disagree on what the guidelines and consequences should be. Then it's MYOB! Many school admin's will tell you that one of the largest problems with student's behavior is that they are modeling what they hear and see at home. And that lessening of expectations in academics is driven to a large extent by parents. 'If you give Kyle that 'D', even though that's what he scored, he won't be accepted into Woodrot University. We'll complain to the school board!' "

My House wrote on May 17, 2008 9:58 PM:

" YAN I would be willing to bet that if your child is disrespected you would also be the first to ask the school what happened to the other kid. This is what I mean, you may discipline your child but you aren't always with your child. If I am in the mall or wherever I am not afraid to ask others not to swear, whether it is an adult or a child. Should I track you down and and make sure you deal with it?
In terms of fair to all: look at the Lions basketball roster, there are several note worthy athletes who will not be playing. Why because the schools held them accountable at one time or another and they served a penalty. Yes they made a mistake that many others make and they learned (I hope) but I guarantee it wasn't mom or dad that kept them off the court/field.
The school board is up against you because you have never been wrong and will never be wrong in your eyes.

There is no conspiracy, you are paranoid, they are not out to steal your rights as a parent, they are not trying to brainwash your child, They are trying to provide a safe learning culture where drinking is not acceptable. I guess you must be against that. "

Pretty good policy wrote on May 17, 2008 1:18 PM:

" I agree that my child is making a choice to be involved in all that she is, and with that choice is a commitment to the team or organization to be the best she can be. follow the rules of conduct, and represent herself and her school respectfully. If she fails to do that she does not deserve to be there and needs to face the consequences of failing to follow through with commitments to others. I don't care who hands it out, she needs to feel the pinch when she makes bad choices, she needs to respect authority and realize the seriousness of being part of a team or organization that depends on her. No better time to learn these things than now. I will teach these things to her, and I will also expect reinforcement from the school or her work place or anyplace else where she has committed to certain behavior. Society should actually be a team committed to raising this generation to have respect, work ethics, etc. Wouldn't our job as parents be easier if we were all on the same page and could depend on society as a whole to help us reinforce guidelines rather than the current trend of lessening the expectations of our kids? "

s wrote on May 17, 2008 12:44 PM:

" To HCW. Well put.To your all nuts you seem very passionate why don't you stand in front of the school board and tell THEM your feelings. Instead of blogging online. "

Totem wrote on May 17, 2008 11:14 AM:

" As usual, the devil will be in the details. In this case, how the policy is enforced. One thing you can count on - it won't be consistently enforced. 'Dan was caught with some beer .... but we have to go against South Hamsandwich High in the finals and he's our points machine.' 'Sarah was caught smoking .... but her parents are funding most of the glee club kazoos.' Watch for consistent enforcement to hide behind 'special situations' and 'unusual circumstances'.

This policy is a solution in search of a problem. Why didn't we need this policy twenty years ago? Because we didn't. You followed the rules and if you didn't you didn't play. What has changed? "

HCW wrote on May 17, 2008 10:25 AM:

" To Your All Nuts: The school system does not have to include all children in extracurricular activities. They do not need to provide the activities at all. School is about academics and completing the necessary classes to graduate from high school and move on to college or directly into the work force. Kids "try out" for these activities. It is not their right to make the team. Once they do make the team, they are subject to the rules of the activities association. And why shouldn't they be? They are representing their school. Many other kids who did not make the team would gladly take the place of the rule breaker. Contrary to popular belief, being an athlete does not give you the right to disobey authority. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 17, 2008 10:24 AM:

" My House: What are you taking about? I am not telling you how to raise your child, nor do I have a problem with it- unless they are disrespectful to me or my children! You are right their are ALOT of wonderful kids- Alot of wonderful kids that choose the wrong path for a short period in their life. I will handle my child- I in most cases will be tougher on them then the school- However it is "I" who will choose to be the judge and jury until they are of age (unless we are talking about laws) Their are laws in place for underage smoking and drinking. Why does the school board feel they need to step in as well? I am concerned that it is a judgement call by them- they can choose to look at circumstances, ONCE AGAIN OF WHOM? WILL IT BE FAIR OR FAIR FOR ONLY THE "PROMINENT CITIZENS" OF NORTH DAKOTA? Answer that question!!!!! All you that say you welcome someone looking over your shoulder for errors- are full of it! At least be honest. My House: Are you threatened by me- Why am I the kind of person the school board is up against? THAT IS A GOOD THING, AT least I have a backbone to say NO- I WILL BE THE PARENT OF MY CHILD! WILL THEY BE FAIR? HAVE THEY BEEN FAIR IN THE PAST? Answer these questions I have put out their for you. Do you want to give the school board this kind of power over you? WHERE WILL THEY STOP making themselves the authority over? What about getting caught littering? Maybe schoolboard should step in for this fraction for the environments sake! What about breaking curfew? Maybe the schoolboard should step in with a disapline plan for this infraction! What about sneaking out at night? Schoolboard should think of consiquiences for this infraction. "

Pretty good policy wrote on May 17, 2008 9:57 AM:

" I don't think parents are lazy and want others to raise their kids. I know I appreciate that "extra" pair of eyes when trying to raise mine. Kids spend more waking hours in school than at home with their parents, so if there are problems outside the home, it is nice to have kids under watch wherever they are, be it school, on the streets, or at functions. There are rules everywhere and kids need to follow them. Parents can't be everywhere, and kids are just that - kids - and need guidance wherever they are. In fact, I wouldn't be comfortable with my child being somewhere where they weren't any rules or guidelines or anyone to enforce them, such as unsupervised parties, on the streets at late hours, etc. Why is everyone to threatened by their children being under the watch of someone else sometimes? "

zzz wrote on May 17, 2008 9:35 AM:

" Nodakman and Mom down below had good comments. Back in the mid-80s my home town hired a football coach/activities director who brought in a similar policy, and some of the situations the above-mentioned stated happened. My home town is in a big district and some kids from out in the country that were in sports lived in town during the school year. Some were living with older siblings out of school who were of age to drink or smoke and it turned into almost a witch hunt, where this guy was constantly trying to get people to narc on their friends in an effort to figure out if the athletes were drinking, smoking, etc., just because they were living with those that could do so legally. Some were, some weren't, but he assumed all were guilty. He lasted 4 years before people just got fed up with it, he saw the handwriting on the wall and left. Now some kids needed busted but others just got harassed and his effort to "clean up the school" led to more problems than existed prior to his arrival. This is just more of the "in place of parents" doctrine on the part of the schools that doesn't work. "

My House wrote on May 17, 2008 7:23 AM:

" Econ Con: This is not a new idea, this rule has been used for decades by thousands of schools across the country. There isn't an increase in lazy parents there is an increase inpeople who think they know better than everyone else. And most school board members run for the position and won because they have kids and want to create a better place. I don't think having an opinion or different way of doing things is wrong. Disrespecting public officials has become trendy. Because What Do They know anyway. "

Economic Conservative wrote on May 17, 2008 7:08 AM:

" To Mom of High Schooler: I am directing my comments to ANYONE who thinks that a government agency should have rules about issues that have traditionally been the SOLE responsibility of those who choose to bring children into this world! If that is you, than so be it, I am sorry you are offended, but if you can't control and raise your children properly, you shouldn't have them. Then again, the social workers of this state seem to beleive that none of us know how to raise children. What a quandry to be in. So, let the professionals do it for you, is that your solution? School Boards, parenting classes taught by people who don't have children. No wonder we have young adults going on shooting rampages at our schools and colleges. Yes, I'll say it again, this is a proplem created by lazy parents. "

My House wrote on May 16, 2008 11:44 PM:

" I am glad that "Your all nuts" keeps writing, it gives the entire community an idea of what our schools are up against. There are really great kids and some wonderful parents. BUT every once in a while this kind of person shows up and no matter how hard the school trys nothing is going to be satisfactory. Nothing the police do, nothing any elected public servant does. Because they know better than everyone else. You can have your opinion but just because you have the right to an opinion doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree or even acknowledge it. "

Pretty good policy wrote on May 16, 2008 10:55 PM:

" I guess I don't like being called a lazy parent because I am willing to let others discipline my child for their actions. When my child drives illegally I expect the law enforcement system to enforce consequences for that. When my child breaks the rules of the schools, I expect the schools to set consequences. All these consequences are not in place of mine, but are dealt out along with mine! I don't expect others to raise my kids, but I do appreciate the support from others in charge. Raising kids can and should be a joint effort among several, and in this day and age I appreciate any help or support I can get outside my own methods. I am not too lazy to set rules and guidelines, but I am not in a position to set them for school activities, driving rules or any of that. The schools and driving laws set those rules, and I expect them to reinforce those rules as much as I reinforce the ones I can set, which is at home. They aren't doing my job and I am not doing theirs, but together we can probably keep some structure in this lax society. I am not afraid to let others evaluate issues when need be, and I am not threatened by actions the schools or police would think I would need to take. Hopefully it will never come to that, but if it does I will not refuse suggestions or consequences that will help guide my child! As I've stated before, it's time society takes back control. Who should discipline my kids? Any one, agency or institution that has set guidelines that my child ignores. "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 5:40 PM:

" I am sorry to have "turned you off", but I am willing to bet you have turned off many with your posting. I agree with the school board, that does not make me evil or stupid or lazy. I have a different opinion than you. Just because I have made my children clear of what consequences their actions may bring does not mean that I haven't taught them the golden rule. Many a star athlete has fallen into "the school is priviledge to have ME play for them" and have fallen flat on their face with it. The problem with a lot of kids out there is their sense of entitlement. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 4:22 PM:

" Mom of high schooler: I was okay with your view point but your last post just turned me off! See all you THE LAW says people or THATS THE RULE made by someone else-----make me upset. I dont have to teach my children about the law states you cant steal, assault and battery- I teach them "WHY IT IS MORALLY WRONG" Respect of others---I dont need to teach them cause the law says- Because the law is full of corrupt people. officers, and religious finatics that cant allow me to believe what I choose! The law stated slavery was okay- The law gave Hitler power, the government sells guns to terrorists- the government sells bills- Now that I do teach my children that! THE LAW IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!!!! Wake up-------I do believe they try to be right but get side tracked by MONEY--- SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD NOT HAVE AUTHORITY OVER ME THE PARENT!!!!! Extra Curricalur Activities are a right for all who fund them NOT A PRIVILAGE. So all who are not involved in extra curricular activities are not privilaged? Only kids that can afford to belong are PRIVILAGED enough to be on the team......IT IS A RIGHT- I THE PARENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INCLUDE MY CHILD IN ANYTHING I WANT TO!!! My child has the right to belong to anything he/she wants to! The school is doing my child no favors by allowing him to be on the basketball team because he is the top scorer! THE school has the privilage of having my child helping them win a championship! Jamestown had the privilage of having Darin (baseball player) playing for them- Darin was not privilaged for playing for Jamestown.... Who do you people think you are! Exta Curricular Activities are a right for all, if you offer them! THEY ARE NOT PRIVILAGES.... GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 4:16 PM:

" In every job I have had, there is someone to answer to if there are mistakes made! What do I want to do to the person pointing it out? Thank them and assure them I will correct the situation. "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 4:14 PM:

" This isn't a just a moral issue. Minors drinking and being in the possession of alcohol is ILLEGAL. I don't want threatening God movies in the classroom either. This is extra-curricular. I see you are using the slippery-slope argument, and it has some merit. I think you are getting a little carried away, though. "

YOURE nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 4:13 PM:

" You may disagree with the policy, but you're not seriously going to make reference to HITLER or SLAVERY, are you? That is an absolutely ridiculous comparison, and you oughta be ashamed of yourself for ruining any chance of reasonable debate.

I also noticed that you have questioned whether others have passed their high school government class. I wonder the same thing about you and your junior high English. "You're" is a contraction meaning "you are." And while we're at it, the debate deals with who should "discipline" your kids.

"

Amused wrote on May 16, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Honestly, some people's kids. Your all nuts, do you have to yell all the time? "

s wrote on May 16, 2008 3:58 PM:

" To your nuts,
The school board isn't interfering with your right to be a parent but they can have and will set policy on behavior of their student athletes. If the students weren't causing problems ond the parents actually parenting they wouldn't need this policy. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 3:31 PM:

" It interferes with my parental rights mother of highschooler- because it is a judgement call on the school boards part- Read this statement: "The school district can and does say it will take circumstances into account." My question would be for who? when? and will it be fair for everyone or only fair for certain people? Also this bothers me/ again a judgement call " The school gives itself authority over what students do " IF WE ALLOW THIS, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE ON WHAT THEY GIVE THEMSELVES AUTHORITY OVER???? This is another thing I have a problem with "A tipster can report to the school administration a student who was in the place, and report it anonymously. Or there's the option of snapping a digital image with a cell phone camera and posting a student's image on the Internet." What is wrong with this? What will this teach my child? I dont want my child to learn this lesson- Im not talking about the child getting caught in the act- I am talking about what lesson does this teach the tipster? What power does this truely give to a child that is trying to figure out life? IF you get tattled on at your job- what is that person labeled? When someone is repeatly looking over your shoulder to catch your errors- What do you want to do to this person? Also "report it anonymously" well the anonymous person was at the same function and conviently turns in everyone but themselves???? Count the problems---School boards needs to teach my children reading writing and arithmatic- Leave the moral delema's to me! Or we will be okaying another Threating God Movie to be shown in school!
"

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 3:27 PM:

" So you consider it threatening your child if you explain consequences for their actions? I also explain laws against stealing, assault and battery, etc. My kids are aware of youth correctional centers, jails, prisons, etc. That is reality of living in a society. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the rules/laws. You live by them or suffer the consequences. Some people don't believe smoking pot is wrong, but if they get caught, they suffer the consequences. It's real life! "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 2:35 PM:

" to safety: "Those of us that support it see it as a message from the school board to the community that the BPS believes in holding our kids that participate in activities to a high moral standard just like we do in our own homes" Well Im really glad you needed to hear that message from the school board! Does it give you more confidence in disciplining your child---YAH Hey about you use it as a "threat" if you do this Johnny the school "if" you are caught will kick you out of extra curricular activities...hahaha That wont create a child to get more creative on how "NOT" to get caught! I am so glad the school is standing behind me to create the high moral standards for the extra curricular kids! Oh blind sided, you mean they will really kick um out? Oh come on I was just using it as a "threat"- I wasnt going to be consitant and acually use the discipline I set up!----Know that DEFINES Amerian style of parenting! May work for you but not me! "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 2:34 PM:

" You make some good points,"Your all nuts", but I still fail to see why this policy would take away your parental rights. The school district has the right to make rules of conduct for extra-curriculars as well as rules that promote order in the school. "Truth" made a great point. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Oh MamaMia: How about you sign away your rights- and leave mine alone! Better yet take a class on how giving away your rights affects you! Blind Blind Blind........I bet you agree with the snack provisions the school enforces too, dont you? Obese America and leave it to North Dakota Teachers to tell me what kind of healthy snacks to send my child to school with- Just because you think you are right and TRYING to do the right thing- Do not make it so, my dear. Everyone needs to put their noses down - and smell reality! Deep Breath may be more oxygen to your brain with help you understand my point (or it will help you to grow a back bone and think for yourself)! "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Im also NOT stating my child is okay to be around drinking, drugs, or smoking!!!! However if they make the decision to be involved I WILL DISAPLINE MY MINOR- If they are breaking the law and the cops catch them, well not much I can do as the law will handle them, but I also know that the justice system does on some account hear out the parent and work with the parent (some belief that this still works) SCHOOL doesnt even successfully teach a child reading, writing, and arithmatic to the approperiate standards yet- Per the government testing (you all want to put so much to government control or helping out) How about they take care of that- and when that is achieved then I will allow them to tell me at what High Moral Standards I should hold my child too. You want to give up your rights and are okay with that (until the short end of the stick gets dealt to you, then you are up in arms) fine- But leave my rights alone- How about each parent that agrees to the school board disaplining their child- sign a waiver, then they can go back to using rulers on the hand- and if I dont agree, my rights stay in tact! Sounds fair- Like welfare if you need the helping hand- sign up- If you dont leave me alone! "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 2:12 PM:

" I laugh at the word "temptation" and "peer pressure" The fact that you agree that if your child is around it means they will surcome to it at some point (not much trust in the person YOU raised)- tells me just how you parent your child (which is your choice, and why the words exist still and are USED AS AN EXCUSE)- The problem I have with this, is not that my child will do wrong and then they will get taking out (I DONT FEAR THIS IN THE LEAST) it is the abuse that is created with giving such power away! Do you understand that???? Is this hard to get? How do you think laws and government works? On the up and up and what the people vote for they get? UH Bush is president- laws are only passed based on who was paid off- which bills have earmarks so something else does not pass---so on, so on, so on- DID YOU TAKE A GOVERNMENT CLASS? Did they not explain the dangers of giving away your freedom? I dont need a helping hand- I find it an insult that the school board states I can use it as a "threat" against my child- should I not be able to control them! I believe you should hold your child to a high moral standard wether the participate in something or NOT! I want to create what high moral standard my child - HILTER (he had high moral standards that people blindly followed-) Slavery (high moral standards their, you were wealthy if you had servants-) follow mass majority you say? SCARY if you ask me- "

MamaMia wrote on May 16, 2008 1:53 PM:

" To: Your (sic) All Nuts: That's fine if you want to guide your children while allowing them to make mistakes as they learn about life. However, if your policy interferes with the school's policy about participation in co-curricular activities, the school wins and your kids won't be able to participate -- unless they follow the rules, of course, or don't get caught learning all those life lessons. "

safety wrote on May 16, 2008 12:05 PM:

" People that support this policy are not doing so because they want the school board to raise their kids for them and control them like some of you may believe. Those of us that support it see it as a message from the school board to the community that the BPS believes in holding our kids that participate in activities to a high moral standard just like we do in our own homes. Parenting is a tough job for everyone. When a helping hand is extended that can give us assistance in keeping our kids out of trouble, we should take advantage of it. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Mom of a highschooler: My children are from highschool age down to elementary school. I can appreciate your comments and understand- I have to say that I have been lucky in the sense that my children have not caused me much grief yet! I totally hope that my opinions change as I become older and hopefully wiser. I welcome the new intelligence that I can not forsee yet, my life struggles help to create that change. As I experience my own setbacks and triumpts. I try to explain that to my children as they notice that my opinions have changed since they have grown! My letters to my children also note the changes and wisdom as I grow! I feel high schoolers are still in the minor status- In which I still would like the power to disapline- Rather than a public record for my 17yr old/ college judgement of her high school record. I feel I should still be in power of my minor to hear his/her story on why poor judgement has been made. I change the discipline pattern from my high schooler to my middle schooler to my elementary student. I also believe his/her minor job helps to create real life lesson- But I still at this point would like the power to get his/her ready for the real world. As up until this point it has been me who has helped develop his/her to who she is today. I dont believe your job should indicate who you are - or who you should be- Dont let home depot tell you , you are a hoodlum because you like tattoo's. Dont conform to that judgement call- I try very hard to allow my children mistakes while guiding them to make the right calls for THEMSELVES, not society. I have invested alot into THEIR dreams.....I WILL NOT ALLOW A SCHOOL BOARD TAKE THEM AWAY/ OR JUDGE, OR SOCIETY FOR THAT MATTER!!!!!! "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 11:42 AM:

" p.s. The whining is from the writer of this article and against the policy. You are calling the one's supporting the school board's decision whiney, when they are just offering support and understanding as to why the school board wants to take action. Why do we have to get so derogatory towards those you have a differing opinion? I love reading what people think about different issues, but it often degrades into calling people names, or accuse them of being lazy or whining. "

Truth wrote on May 16, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Those of you that do not feel this is needed because you are doing the parenting and you do not need any help don't have anything to worry about, your children won't be around unacceptable behaviors. It is all about peer groups, pick them wisely; yes if your child notices unacceptable actions they should leave, RUN!!! If your child and peers are around temptation it is only a matter of time before they partictpate. When you have failing grades you cannot enjoy school privilages and when you fail the standards set by society you cannot enjoy the privilages. Some on this board best clean up their and their childrens acts instead of fighting for soft rules!! "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Economic Conservative, who are you calling lazy parents? The ones who don't want their kids to be suspended from their elective sport because the "parent" thinks their kid should be allowed to be at a party with illegal activity going on??? I am anything but a lazy parent, and I know full well that some of the other parents don't check up on their kids (I do, and get called the meanest mom in town) and just think they know where their teens are. My kids have seen deaths of friends already, as well as pregnacies. By all accounts, these were good kids. Parents these days are up against a culture that fights them every step of the way. Thank goodness the school board is trying to do something. Unfortunately, only those active in sports have consequences in this way. It's not the school board's job to parent, but they can set standards for school activities. God forbid anybody expect standards anymore!!! "

Economic Conservative wrote on May 16, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Do any of you pro "school board raise our kids for us" understand the term "responsible parenting"? How about the term "government intrusion" or the word "Communism"? Stop whining and take responsibility for the children you bring into the world. After reading manjy of the "lazy" parenting posts here, I am not surprised our society is falling apart. "

OK nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 10:32 AM:

" You are starting to make sense, I don't think all of us parent the same and I don't think we should. I do think that we should all teach the rules and enforce them. I personally had a curfew earlier than the one set by the school. I also expected my parents to be waiting for me when I got home. My kids aren't old enough to be out with friends. "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 16, 2008 10:32 AM:

" If you don't mind me asking, "Your all nuts", how old are your children? See, I used to feel the way you do until my children got into high school. They eventually have to learn that society has rules that must be followed or there are consequences. You gradually have to loosen the reigns and let them experience the cause and effects out in the real world. Sports should teach the kids a sense of responsibily to others, which hopefully they will carry into the job market someday. It is perfectly legal for an adult to drink alcohol, but if you drink it at work or come to work drunk, do you think you will be able to keep that job? (That's just an example, I realize you will not lose your job for being seen at a party) "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 10:09 AM:

" To "Pretty good policy " to me you are a lazy parent. Why do you need the school to make your children follow rules. Shouldn't you have already established these rules and the punishment for your child????? Why do you need someone to punish your child- TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND. Do you have home rules- life rules for them already established? Why are you so willing to let others hand down the punishment for you? To make sure it sticks? Society is weak and afraid of this generation- I would say it is you whom is weak and afraid if you do not feel like you can handle yours own child without someone else dishing out the punishment for you! My only point here is all of you are so willing to give up your parental rights- Why??? Why do you give up the freedoms that we fight everyday for? These are not laws for children- and we are giving the school board more and more power to disapline our OWN children? Why is this okay with you? Do you not think you can not teach these values without these what 10 members of the school board telling you how to do it- and if you cant do it they will????? YOu say because other parents dont parent- Well really is it that or do they not parent LIKE YOU????? Making parents accountable will solve all of this while leaving the parents that have no problems- and are not afraid;) parent their own children! FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 16, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Oh be nice- I have a different parenting style than you- Its okay. That is my point, different parenting styles does not always mean NO PARENTING because it is not the same as yours. Time to accept that, like accepting other religions. Freethinkers does not mean they are disruptive in class! Means just because the high and mighty say something should you follow- It means think for yourself, make your own decision- YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MASS MAJORITY if you do not agree with it- I also stress treating others fairly, no matter what! Different opinions does not make a bad person! Where in disagreeing with this does that mean not holding children accountable for their actions????? By the way I do STRONGLY believe in holding the parents accountable for their childrens action! If you cant parent and your child steals, you should be brought up on charges- not the minor. TO MANY PEOPLE RELY ON SOCIETY TO PROVIDE LIFE LESSONS TO OUR CHILDREN- BECAUSE WE ARE TO BUSY. Because you are lazy and need the rules set for your children to follow and can not establish your own, does not mean I need you to force them on me. I raise my children just fine AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE "ME" RAISE MY CHILDREN BY MY RULES!!!!!!!!!!! "

Pretty good policy wrote on May 16, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Yes, it's nice to know that there are at least two of us who hold our kids accountable and have expectations for them. Yes, I am laughed at by other parents because I want to know where my kid is, and because I try to impose consequences for bad choices even when society doesn't. Being a parent isn't easy and sometimes isn't fun - if you're doing it right!! "

TO This is a good Policy wrote on May 16, 2008 9:00 AM:

" What's your name and phone number ??? You are my kind of parent !! You don't know how many times I have been told by other parents that I'm mean,I'm to hard on my kids,I should let them just be kids...I tell all these people that I do let them be kids but with rules and like you said,I'm the Odd man left out. What you said is exactly how I feel, so I guess I'm not alone after all... "

Pretty good policy wrote on May 15, 2008 11:06 PM:

" I think the policy over all is good. I have a child in all kinds of extracurricular activities, within her school, church and community. I would expect that she would live her live under the expectations of these activities ALL THE TIME, not just six weeks before a big event! Our kids need to learn that they need to live with integrity and guidelines all the time, not just when they are involved in something they like. Society is weak and afraid of this generation. If these kids step out of line, they need to feel the consequences. If they are at a party where there are illegal activities going on they need to know enough to LEAVE. Why would they want to stay unless they wanted to participate? Accept no excuses from them. And yes, if parents became parents again instead of just friends with their kids, teachers and schools wouldn't have to do the parents job. I want all the help I can get raising my kid in this day and age, so if the schools need to step in I think it's fine. I don't get much help from other parents or from society. Society says do whatever you want, instant gratification, that's the way to go. Don't try too hard, you'll always be on the team and everyone gets a ribbon. Parents turn their heads and don't want to deal with the problems in front of them. I deal, so I am odd man out. Kids don't have a right to everything by entitlement! They need to work for it and live according to the rules and guidelines of the activity. Abide, or do not participate. More kids sitting out of activities would give off a mighty strong message. Society - take control back from these kids and do it now. "

bigpoppakdog wrote on May 15, 2008 10:52 PM:

" this law was in the books back in my day(late 80's early 90's). Simple fact, if you were in extra currics, you do not go to party's. I never did anyway, it didn't interest me, but it did others. It wasn't rocket science or free thinking to make the right choice. If you are on the varsity team don't put yourself at risk for being caught. Plus the last time I checked, drinking under the age of 21 is against the law. Plus this law takes out the guesswork for police, because you know there will be the kids who will swear that "they weren't drinking" just there. Yeah right. Good rule. You want the privilege to play then you follow the rules. Staying away from party's is a good thing. We've lost too many young people to alcohol deaths. Some of you have absolutely no idea the responsibility a school has concerning their students. "

This is to Your All Nuts wrote on May 15, 2008 9:18 PM:

" So, Schools are just for Reading,Writing and Arithmetic ?? You are the Parent?? Then why don't you go to school with your FREE THINKER and be his/her Parent so the Teachers can teach !!! These Free Thinkers don't respect any authority figures and won't listen to anyone because parents like you want all the power over your kid...They disrupt the classes so 29 kids can't learn and better themselves because of one kid.... And with this Policy, whats wrong with it??? So your kid drinks and he knows it's wrong and gets caught,you think he should get to play because your sure he learned his lesson ??? SORRY,I think I'm with the School board on this one...... "

Mom wrote on May 15, 2008 8:25 PM:

" Amused, maybe the snitch isn't involved in any extracurricular activities? "

not surprised wrote on May 15, 2008 7:54 PM:

" Amused, good point. Maybe the "snitch" has been caught and wants to bring others down with them- misery loves company! :) Have any of you checked your kids' MySpace accounts lately? How about their friends? I have been aghast at what some teens (and preteens) dare to show the world on their computer. From the comments, to the pictures that show that they are doing illegal or immoral things and they aren't ashamed at all! I really wonder what kind of world we are creating with our future in these kids' hands. Don't get me wrong, I believe there are good kids out there, but so many are crass and rebellious. I know, people have been saying that every generation, but YIKES! "

not surprised wrote on May 15, 2008 7:46 PM:

" I am not surprised by "Your all Nuts" stance on this, since she attacked the lady who had the backbone to report her daughter who stole the laptop from school for the SECOND time to the authorities. She didn't think parents should involve the police in illegal activities of their children. I strongly disagree and believe people need to learn, from childhood on or they never learn, to accept responsibility for their actions. "

Amused wrote on May 15, 2008 6:14 PM:

" What about the snitch- If your close enough to snap a photo, guilt by association works both ways, right? "

NUTS and BOLTS wrote on May 15, 2008 5:59 PM:

" Thanks for proving my point, YOU will deal with your child when they make a mistake and not the school board. Wrong answer. The school board is responsible to all students and not just yours. If little Jimmy says he has a knife in school and causes a panic your free thinking ideas don't just have an impact on little Jimmy. the same goes with sports, schools want to prevent little jimmy from getting an MIP so that he doesn't waste the time of the coaches and his team mates. Some other player could have been getting the coaching and playing time.

On a side note I would be overjoyed if sports were dropped from schools and run through the community. Then this policy would be a mute point. "

bigpoppakdog wrote on May 15, 2008 4:26 PM:

" well said safety. Schools have to provide a public education not sports "

Mom wrote on May 15, 2008 4:09 PM:

" to WOW; the policy says at a function, in a vehicle, or at a party. I'd say a street dance or a relative's home is a function, wouldn't you? "

safety wrote on May 15, 2008 3:36 PM:

" As has been said here numerous times already, participating in activities is a privilege and not a right. Schools are not required to offer extra curricular activities. They must provide education to children; they do not have to provide recreational activities for them. "Your all nuts"--You're all nuts if you think otherwise. You certainly may put your child in anything you wish, but the school district will decide what rules these kids must follow in order to belong to that activity. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 15, 2008 3:15 PM:

" why when someone does agree with something, their voice gets labeled as a whiner?????????? "

bigpoppakdog wrote on May 15, 2008 2:42 PM:

" No wonder we are ranked at the top when it comes to underage drinking and death related accidents due to alcohol. I guess everybody wants to be reactive vs proactive. That's the problem nowdays, nobody wants to step up and put in place measures to prevent things. They only show up to whine and cry about things or point their fingers and lay blame. Good role models for our youth to follow are harder and harder to find. Don't see very many here that's for sure. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 15, 2008 2:41 PM:

" What are you talking about? I want to parent my child however I see fit! I want my child to be a free thinker. I guide my children in allowing them to make decisions that hopefully are correct, but if not we deal with them. I do not think they are above making poor decision now and then- AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS I WILL DEAL WITH THEM, NOT THE SCHOOL BOARD. Extra curricular activities are a privilage not a right- this is furthest from the truth. I have the right to put my child in anything I choose. The minute you ask me to open my wallet takes away the privilage! If you want it to be a privilage then I would consider funding the whole thing and specially hand picking all your players! Then you would not get the bad seed! Why not spend more time in finding out why more kids are not involved- why these privilaged extra curricular activites are being cut. I will be the parent! School is for reading writing and arthimatic- THAT IS IT!!!!!! I dont think a parent should manipulate anything for a CHILD- I believe let them play and if you can play, you can play. I also dont believe johnny should be sitting on the bench because coach has a son that stinks but the coach really thinks he can play....SEEN WAY TO MUCH OF IT....obviously you have no children in sports- "

to you are all nuts wrote on May 15, 2008 1:15 PM:

" You seem to contradict yourself to an extent. You want a fair playing field free of parental manipulation but you also want to control your child free of teacher direction. I would suggest that you home school. I also think that since you are such a great problem solver you could find a better answer, court doesn't always have to be the answer. "

WOW wrote on May 15, 2008 12:37 PM:

" You should really read the policy before you come on here and make a big deal about it. It has nothing to do with street dances and being at uncle Bob's house. The policy it that if they are at a PARTY where there is UNDERAGE drinking, such as people getting minors in possession, then they are guilty by association. Again, this policy is for extra-curricular activities. As in EXTRA. If you do not like the policy, you do not need to be involved in the activity. It is no different than my employer having a policy against visible tattoos. Therefore, I cannot where capris to work due to the tatoo on my ankle. If I can't handle following that policy, then I do not have to work there. "

wrote on May 15, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Obviously, some people don't have enough to do. Starting with people who come up with these types of policies. Watch the enforcement closely and you'll soon see who gets a break and who doesn't, based on their connections. "

safety wrote on May 15, 2008 12:00 PM:

" From the BPS website:

"Another issue is the growing number of anonymous reports about alleged violations. With cell phone cameras and Web sites like MySpace, students can be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. "Mere presence" is defined as being in attendance at a function, in a vehicle, or at a party where the student knows or has reason to know that alcohol or other drugs are being consumed illegally by minors, and failing to leave despite having a reasonable opportunity to do so is a violation, which school administrators will investigate."

Looks like its OK to go to Uncle Bob's BBQ, unless he wants to have his 12 year old throw a few down while your kid is there.

"

Mom wrote on May 15, 2008 11:56 AM:

" to 'to Mom'; I disagree. How do I not have some ownership in the school when it's a public institution that is paid for in part by my taxes? I also have to pay a fee for my kids to be in the sport in the first place. Yes, I think I should have a say. "

Mother in Mandan wrote on May 15, 2008 11:45 AM:

" This policy is called Guilt by Association, which is currently being practiced in Mandan (so I've heard). What concerns me with this Bismarck policy, is that a student can snitch on another student just for the heck of it. I do agree that students who participate in underage activities should be punished in the form of community service or something like that. Pulling a kid away from an activity that helps keep them involved is going to do nothing more than give the kid more free time to do things they shouldn't. Just my opinion... "

momofboys wrote on May 15, 2008 11:12 AM:

" I agree that policies are important and that all children learn right from wrong. My boys have always played sports and so far have not had an issue with the "rules" put in place by the school/coaches/school boards. I do have concern in regards to mischief with photos. What are these kids supposed to do if someone underage calls and needs a ride because they have been drinking and opt for the responsible thing to do and not drive-will my children be in trouble then? "

mom of high schooler wrote on May 15, 2008 11:12 AM:

" Just because the author of this article is not specific, does not mean that the policy is that vague. Use common sense. My experience with the school system is that they let more things slide than they should, definitely not that they are on guard trying to bust everybody. Many of you are naive to the number of student who get loaded every weekend to an alarming level. Even teens with "good" parents. Teens should not be at the parties where illegal activities are happening. They know what's going on, and how many teens don't have access to a phone even if the don't drive? If you haven't noticed, the law enforcement consequences for a minor in possession or even in consumption are a joke. I know a kid with 3 minors within a year and still has freedom to continue to drink. Our community has a huge problem in this area. "

Your all Nuts wrote on May 15, 2008 10:52 AM:

" What if I dont agree with the school turning my child into a tattle tell. What if I want my child to color the sky whatever color he/she wants without have a "above me" teacher telling them well that is not real, skys are blue, honey. What if I want my child to make their mistakes now, in my home so that I can help guide them through the problems rather than them waiting to cut loose in college when the consiquences are much more severe. If I see nothing wrong with MYSPACE then I will let them have MYSPACE. What if I see a problem with kids not being able to solve problems anymore! You will see me in court- bring it on! I will be your worst nightmare! Sadly Mom- parents now days are worse than the kids at minipulating the sports to suit their child! No one has to earn anything anymore---mommy and daddy will make it happen and get rid of the other kids that are better than you! "

to Mom wrote on May 15, 2008 10:28 AM:

" It is not your kids team the team is the school's and if the school policy says no myspace then I guess that is the policy. It is not your team! "

Mom wrote on May 15, 2008 10:04 AM:

" I guess my kids won't be able to go with us to a street dance at one of the small towns in the area this summer like we usually do. Not sure if all of the smokers there are 18 or not. "

Mom wrote on May 15, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Does this mean that if my kids are at the river this summer and someone is smoking near them they need to 'card' the person to find out if they are an adult? If the person happens to be underage then my kids have to leave? And hope no one snapped a picture of them near the smoker? Sounds a little ridiculous to me! It reminds me of a beginning of the year sports meeting at a middle school here that I attended. The coach said that anyone found to have a 'myspace' account would be kicked off the team. Excuse me, but to my knowledge having a myspace account is not illegal and if I , as a parent, permit it's use that should have nothing to do with the school's sports teams. I think this policy is taking it too far. First, the kid isn't actually doing the offense and they don't have any control over what others are doing. Why punish them for doing the right thing (not smoking/drinking)? What happens if my kids go somewhere and kids start drinking or smoking? Suppose they don't drive and can't leave immediately? Are they supposed to anticipate what other kids MAY do ahead of a time? I think this policy reeks. I am in support of suspension if the kids are caught doing something illegal, but guilt by association is ridiculous to monitor. Suppose a rival team wants a particular player off of the team? Couldn't they then arrange for someone to drink/smoke near them someplace and take a picture of them together? I bet it'll happen at some point. Ridiculous! "

JP wrote on May 15, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Mr. W: I think that is one of longest sentences I have ever seen... nice work!! "

s wrote on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM:

" To Mr.W and others.
Plain and simple extra curricular activities are a privilage not a right. "

To nodakman wrote on May 13, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Sounds like you are one who does not want to be accountable, nor have your kids be accountable for their actions? Rules are rules and if you don't like them don't particpate or choose better friends or places to hang out. I have been involved with "Guilt by association"; I believe it is a good policy and teaches kids to make better choices. Youth who particpate in extra-curricular activities are usually looked up to & admired by others. What is wrong with not wanting them to hang out where there is booze or smoking going on????? "

What civil rights wrote on May 13, 2008 3:12 AM:

" What civil right is being violated. This is a policy that is in regards to a privilage and not a right. As long as the rules are enforced utilizing due process good luck with the civil rights arguement.

Side note for someone who looks into civil rights you sure spell it in a variety of ways. "

to nodak man wrote on May 13, 2008 3:07 AM:

" You are guilty of violating the policy. As stated this is not law it is policy. Guilt in a court is much tougher to prove, violation of policy is different. "

MR. W wrote on May 12, 2008 7:56 PM:

" if some of you parents read the whole artical it says if they are PRESENT at a place where peolpe are smoking or drinking not if another student is doing it they will be suspended so you better try it again and yes I am a person who looks into cival rights and have lawyers who have looked at this and yes it is a violation of a persons cilil rights. Oh by the way 18 years of age is legal to smoke but not drink and there are students that are 18 and still are in school if you want to get tech about it. I think students should not smoke or drink becacuse if you are under age it is illegal and you get the punishment but the school board has sniches looking what other students do during the summer time and over uncle bob house who is having a BBQ and they are smoking and drinking and they are adults you can't tell them all you can't do that at the BBQ or my son or daughter can get suspended next year even tho they are not in school and it is summer come on wake up you know well as I do if your son or daughter has uncle bob over and he smokes and drinks what if someone else sees him smoking and drinking and they tell the school board and your sona and daughter is a called into the office the first day of school and they tell your son and daughter that it was reported that they saw your uncle smoking and drinking and that is in violation of school policy and you are a senior and you are the star QB for the school and scouts are looking at that son or daughter now how do you feel that they are not on the team because if your are in the PRESENT of someone smoking and drinking you were in viloation. IN THE PRESENTS OF SOMEONE NOT ANOTHER STUDENT "

nodakman wrote on May 12, 2008 12:09 AM:

" Explain to me CIVIL RIGHTS why is it illegal to be present in the same place where someone else is violating the law. How does that make anyone guilty. Being guilty by association is a broad brush that has no due process or recourse. If you are smoking and drinking you have violated and were caught and should take your medicine. If you were merely at a location where others were violating the law does not make you guilty of anything. "

ND in MD wrote on May 11, 2008 11:20 PM:

" As I understand it, this rule applies to students who particiapte in sports or extra-circular activites, what about students who do not participate in extra-circular activities and engage in these behaviors? Are they somehow punished by the school? Or is it just the kids who go the extra-mile and participate?

At what point the does the school not control a students life? Under age drinking and smoking and use of illegal drugs are crimes and should be investigated by the police and punished by the courts. Does the school own a student 24/7 or is there a point in which they are not under its control? "

Civil Rights wrote on May 11, 2008 10:19 PM:

" Since when is it a civil right to break the law? Lawyer going to rip it apart I doubt it! It is illegal and the school has a consequence as well as the community, M.I.P. is a crime with a punishment. Bring on the lawyers to waste more tax payer money. This policy is within legal bounds and has been utilized but never been put in writing. Guilt by association! This is not a legal issue it is an issue of policy of which the school makes the policy. Discussion ended. "

busy in bis wrote on May 11, 2008 9:28 PM:

" Let's put this in very elementary terms - use of tobacco, drugs and alcohol are illegal for students. It takes partners - the community, parents and the school - to ensure our students - be kept to a high standard of behavior. Maybe if parents would parent, the schools wouldn't have to. Given the fact that ND has the highest youth rates of alcohol use in the country, we need to do something. The BPS Board made a very good decision which the Tribune and community should support. Students can't have it both ways - either you represent yourself and your school with high morals and standards and succeed as an individual or team, or you choose to spend your idle time doing things that won't get you far. Hmmm, seems like an easy choice to me ... "

nodakman wrote on May 11, 2008 8:05 PM:

" Does this mean if the student is at Uncle Joes for a birthday party and Uncle joe and others are drinking and smoking the student is then in violation of the rules. Or is it only when its just kids smoking and drinking. Or is when people who are not family members are smoking and drinking. This policy is a crock, the student has to rely on the School for common sense judgement. Good Luck. as for GOOD FOR THEM I wonder if you would like to be held to that standard in your daily life. "

Razors Edge wrote on May 11, 2008 7:19 PM:

" busy is bis:

You said:

Kids actually have reported their support as the prospects of being kicked off a sport or activity for 6 weeks is a way they can abstain from alcohol and drugs. If parents won't parent, schools have to step in. This is actually a good thing - give it time and watch it work. We can't be afraid to punish our children when they cross the line - parents trying to be their kids friends doesn't work - they have friends, they want a parent. Schools are now having to fill that role.

Wait, the school has to set rules before the kids will abstain? They aren't afraid of their parents or the current laws, but are afraid of the school? "Oh I can go to jail, but don't kick me off the basketball team". I think these kids have more problems than you realize.

Schools are now the parents all the time including the summer? I must have missed this memo. I thought a job of a parent was to be a parent. I thought the job of the school was to educate. I've also always questioned that if the student couldn't go before a court and be found guilty how can schools punish them? "

Daria wrote on May 11, 2008 6:59 PM:

" Since smoking and drinking are not legal for persons under 18 and 21 years of age respectively, why shouldn't the students have repercussions for this behavior? Extra curricular activities are a privilege and add greatly to the school experience, I agree. However, if these activities really "build character" then participation should be based on following rules of good character. "

hooray wrote on May 11, 2008 6:21 PM:

" I'm all for this policy. Schools aren't just supposed to build reading, writing, and math skills; they're supposed to build character. Students should be held accountable for their actions. The policy will also encourage students to choose their friends more wisely. "

Good for them wrote on May 11, 2008 5:02 PM:

" What's wrong with trying to make our kids more accountable? Like previous comments; it is a privalage to participate, not a right. Most of today's youth think they have too many rights already. Follow the rules or stay away; apparently some have a problem following the rules and policies. If you don't want to obey the policies set; don't participate; it's not that tough. Some of you complaining should coach or teach and see what it's like more on the inside. "

college wrote on May 11, 2008 2:20 PM:

" the local colleges should also have this policy for its underage athletes, there is a lot of underage drinking going on at UTTC, UMary, and BSC. "

Independent Conservative wrote on May 11, 2008 1:48 PM:

" For crying out loud. This is terrible policy. What next? Expulsion for tearing off the "Do not remove under penalty of law" sticker on mattresses? Geez. "

Info wrote on May 11, 2008 1:44 PM:

" The school board has an attorney on it's board. "

Privilage not right wrote on May 11, 2008 11:27 AM:

" This policy does state that if they are at home and their parents smoke or drink, they get suspended, it is if they are present when there is UNDERAGE smoking and drinking, then they suspended. The school board should not get sued because participation in EXTRA-curricular activities is a privilage, not a right. If you do not want to follow the rules, then do not participate in extra-curricular activities. A student has the option of going to school and work and they do not have to participate in anything else. That is a CHOICE and the school board, coaches, and NDHSAA can set whatever rules they deem fit. Get over it. "

busy is bis wrote on May 11, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Bismarck is one of the last large districts to finally put this practice and policy in place. This policy has been supported in other communities by law enforcement, parents and educators as a successful means to keeping kids safe from risk behaviors with consequences. Kids actually have reported their support as the prospects of being kicked off a sport or activity for 6 weeks is a way they can abstain from alcohol and drugs. If parents won't parent, schools have to step in. This is actually a good thing - give it time and watch it work. We can't be afraid to punish our children when they cross the line - parents trying to be their kids friends doesn't work - they have friends, they want a parent. Schools are now having to fill that role. BPS knows what its doing - they spent alot of time and used some great resources to make this policy. It'll be effective and it draws a line that kids will learn to respect - what can be wrong with that? "

Education System Commies wrote on May 11, 2008 10:53 AM:

" The entire education system worldwide has been corrupted by large, international non-profit foundations. These foundations started with good intentions, but were soon infiltrated by people that wish to push communist and collectivist agendas upon the people. It has been going on for a long time, but has really accelerated in the last 100 years.

When you have the ability to condition the minds of the youth of a nation to constant civil rights violations, and un-American ideals, you can basically usurp control of that nation in the matter of a few generations. The people simply become brainwashed into whatever agenda on the menu, and the net result is a population that thinks it is free, while its rights are continually stripped because they have been thoroughly prepared to be compliant and confused on rights issues. "

My Opinion wrote on May 11, 2008 10:21 AM:

" The school board has overstepped its bounds in a huge huge huge way. They have no legal right to do this. As Mr. W. pointed out it is a violation of our rights to freedom. I hope someone does sue the School Board and puts them in their place. They have NO BUSINESS regulating students activities outside of school. And if a student is somewhere (like at home) and adults are having a glass of wine (which happens), they have no business suspending a student for being "around alcohol or smoking". This is one of the most outrageous things done yet in ND. "

MR. W. wrote on May 11, 2008 7:28 AM:

" Here we go again violating a persons civil rights in this country the school board has no right to tell a student that if they even around a person who smokes or drinks they will be suspended. No you can't do it and a civil rights lawyer will rip this one apart and I bet the AP wire will pick this one up and Bismarck schools will be all over the news in the country. I know we don't want our children to smoke drink and do drugs but give me a break are you telling me if the parents smoke or drink are you going to take away what the student has been working for during there high school years there. take it from me the time a student get suspended from there acttivity from school the the school didtrict will be sued in civil court and pay for the damages. Get a life school board stop stepping on students and parents civil rights or you will pay dearly for it in court. If my son or daughter is hit with any of this be sure you will see me in court and I will have the best civil rights lawyer in the country to stomp you butts. "

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