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Police report on 2007 complaints

Apr 15, 2008 - 04:05:06 CDT

By JENNY MICHAEL
Bismarck Tribune

More than 50 complaints were lodged against Bismarck police officers in 2007, but evidence only backed up three of the grievances from the public.

Chief Keith Witt on Monday said that six of the 52 complaints were of a serious nature and resulted in internal affairs investigations. Out of the six serious complaints, five resulted in officers being exonerated from wrongdoing.

One of the six serious complaints led to an officer suspension. Officer Kyle Gebhardt was suspended for 40 hours without pay for making inappropriate comments of a sexual nature while on duty, Lt. Randy Ziegler said. Ziegler conducts internal affairs investigations for the department.

Witt said Gebhardt was suspended, not terminated, after the chief looked into the incident, Gebhardt's prior history and other relevant factors. Gebhardt also had to undergo corrective training and will be required to attend periodic retraining, Witt said.

Ziegler said two of the other complaints also were sustained, meaning a preponderance of the evidence backed up the citizen complaints. Both of those complaints were handled by higher-ranking officers than the officers accused in the complaints. Ziegler did not have the names of the officers involved in those complaints.

In one instance, a complainant felt that an officer was more concerned about getting off of work in a timely manner than in taking a police report. The officer was talked to by a sergeant about the need to be more aware of community needs.

In the other instance, a citizen complained that no officer ever showed up to take a report that he had called into the department. The duty commander said he had forgotten to enter the incident into the computer system, meaning officers were unaware the report needed to be taken. He was talked to by a deputy chief about the incident.

Of the 52 complaints lodged against the police department, officers were exonerated 30 times and 19 complaints were considered "not sustained," which means there was insufficient evidence to prove or disprove allegations.

Witt said he was taking the unusual step of informing the public about the complaints against the department in an effort to keep citizens abreast of the department's standards.

"I just think it's important for the citizens to know what's happening at the police department - the good things and the not so good things," he said.

The department relies on citizen complaints to find out when there are problems, either with officers or with department policies, the chief said.

"That's the only way we can make our operations better," he said.

He said the department wants to be sure they have the trust of the public so people don't think the officers are abusing the authority they are given.

"Inquiries or concerns of citizens may often be resolved with an explanation of the standard procedures followed by officers or by providing a more detailed explanation of the circumstances involved in the situation in question," Witt said. "However, a complete and thorough investigation will be conducted as necessary."

Serious complaints against officers are investigated by Ziegler, unless the allegations involve criminal activity on the part of an officer, at which time the complaints are referred to the North Dakota Bureau of Criminal Investigation. Less-serious complaints usually are investigated by supervising officers.

Disciplinary actions officers can face if complaints against them are found to be supported by evidence include training or counseling, reprimand, suspension from duty without pay, termination from the department and criminal prosecution.

The 52 complaints in 2007 came about while officers handled 30,771 calls for service, made 2,689 arrests, conducted 13,685 traffic stops resulting in 10,877 traffic citations, issued 10,154 parking tickets and investigated 3,149 traffic wrecks, Witt said.

"We're talking about tenths of a percent of incidents that led to a complaint," he said.

(Reach reporter Jenny Michael at 250-8225 or jenny.michael@bismarcktribune.com.)

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John wrote on Apr 27, 2008 4:44 AM:

" to 'glad':
I am sure you would not be saying the same things if it was your name in the paper. And yes, L.E. are different than you and me. I bet you do not wear a bullet-proof vest to work, do you? Everything they do on and off duty is noted by the general public. Still think they are no different? "

Farley wrote on Apr 22, 2008 9:42 PM:

" to: One Who Knows
You're right, N.D. does have open records laws, as does every state in the union, THAT IS NOT THE ARGUMENT HERE. The problem is that for the first time in the history of BPD, the chief chose to release the citizen complaint information via a PRESS RELEASE. The complaint information has ALWAYS been available to the general public. Anyone employed in public service understands that. Deb Ness didn't do it, nor did any other police chief that preceded her. Were all former Bismarck Police Chiefs wrong?? Absolutely not. Anyone with an ounce of media savvy would know that if you tell the press "what", the press will followup with the questions "who" and "when". That is the job of the press and I am very happy that we have a free press in our great country to ask probing questions. Plain and simple, this was a terrible decision by the chief. I think he should step to the plate and apologize. He's a "rookie" chief, and it really shows on this one. "

glad wrote on Apr 22, 2008 9:31 AM:

" To concerned bismarcker: did you read once in my article that I "hated cops"? No you didn't so don't judge me. I am entitled to my opinion just as you are and no I don't know this cop personally which I never said I did. I am glad they listed his name in the paper. And that is what I was expressing. We as citizens deserve to know what the complaints on the police force are and which cops they are on. This is stuff that we need to be aware of and deserve to know. So therefore as I posted before I am GLAD they put his name in the newspaper. If you have a problem with that, fine express how you feel because I won't judge you for having an opinion as you have judged me. Don't assume I am a cop hater because I have an opinion on the police force. I just beleive that they are no different from myself, yourself, or any other person in this state. "

justice for all wrote on Apr 22, 2008 6:18 AM:

" It doesn't make you a "cop hater" just because you want and demand honest, ethical and integrity in your police force, here's a good website RateMyCop.com, tell your story to the world "

Concerned Bismarcker wrote on Apr 21, 2008 10:40 PM:

" To Glad:
Do you know this man? Yeah, I didn't think so. All the details of the "misconduct?" Again, your answer is no. Think before you post about things and people you think you know because you have read articles in the local paper or you are a "cop hater" which it sounds like you are . . . "

REX wrote on Apr 21, 2008 8:33 PM:

" That's okay. We passed the "Shoot the Burgler Law" rest assured I'll do just that. "

glad wrote on Apr 21, 2008 5:23 PM:

" I am glad they listed his name. I don't care if he was convicted of anything or charged with anything. He was suspended for 40 hours without pay for making inappropriate comments of a sexual nature while on duty. I am glad they listed his name. I don't care what type of person he is or that "you know him and he was wrongly accused blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. Obviously they had enough supporting evidence to suspend him. I am glad they listed his name because we as citizens deserve to know what he did so we can be aware. I don't think because they are of law enforcement that they should get any type of special treatment because they wear a badge. I read people's names in the paper all the time for something they were not YET convicted of. You hear about child abuse cases all the time and they list the people yet they hadn't been convicted and there are many other instances. so I don't care if they are a cop, they did something wrong and they can deal with having their name in the newspaper for it. Everybody thinks that because they are a cop they should have special privileges because they are oh so much higher and mightier than the "average person" in bismarck which is such a load of crud. When they take there uniform off they are an average person just like us and for some reason they think when they put the uniform on they are invincible which is by far the truth. "

HORRIFIED wrote on Apr 21, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Hello one who knows (or do you)? Many states have open records acts, including the state in which I am employed. We release violation and discipline information to the public, with the exception of, hello, the Officer's name! Chief Witt has an obligation to protect officers who are not charged with criminal offenses. Don't forget, publication of the officer's name punishes the officer all over again, and punishes his or her family. I am a firm believer in honesty in all things. I am also a firm believer that a police officer is encouraged to be honest when they are treated with dignity and respect, and not subjected to public redicule. Police officers risk their lives (yes, I read the Bismarck newpaper...I am aware of officer involved shootings in recent years). Punish officers for wrongdoing...even tell the public about the complaint and punishment, but unless there is a criminal violation involved, do not release an officer's name to the public! Taxpayers want to talk about the obligation of the officers to the public. There is also an obligation from the taxpaying community to treat their officers with dignity and respect. Chief Witt can stand behind the Open Records Act all he wants. He should have refused to give the officer's name to the press. Let the press get a court order. Chief Witt would have saved his reputation and showed that he cared about his troops. It takes a real leader to have the courage to stand up for what is right, and guide the department into the future. No one is going to follow a leader that they don't trust. "

Concerned Resident wrote on Apr 21, 2008 2:34 PM:

" I am outraged by the low percentage of Bismarck police officers who do not have mustaches. Honestly, whose going to take a cop seriously if he does not have a mustache? "

One who knows wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:57 AM:

" To Horrified and Concerned Bismarcker: In this state we have what they call Open Records laws and anything within an officers file (with the exception of some confidential items) is open to anyone within the public. Chief Witt did not release the officers name, the media asked for it and it was given. What they decided to do with it was up to them. He did not want to release it but by law he had to. Would you rather that he cover things up? I think not. I have known Chief Witt for a long time and this is a person of honesty and integrity who has given more to this department and city than you will ever know. He cares about his officers and regardless of what you think he is not doing the same thing as the previous chief. He is holding people accountable for their actions and some don't care for that at all and perhaps that is the problem. Horrifed, perhaps you should have done some research into North Dakota law before you jumped in with your opinion on criminal actions against Chief Witt. He has done nothing criminal! And for your information many of the officers do belong to the FOP but when you are in a state that does not recognize collective bargaining your options are severly limited. Let me say to you Horrified, I am glad that I don't work for you at your department especially when you can villify someone without knowing the facts. I wonder how your officers feel about you and your practices? "

whos kidding who wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:55 AM:

" No excuses are acceptable for shoddy investigations, incomplete police reports by experienced BPO's, it comes down to a lack of professionalism and integrity. Rookies at least have the excuse of inexperience, they might be on a "power trip" only time will tell if they out grow that attitude. "

Concerned Bismarcker wrote on Apr 20, 2008 10:46 PM:

" To Horrified:
Thank you! I thought, at the very minimum, a public apology should be required. As previously stated, I am outraged by this "loose cannon" chief. Ultimately, it's his responsibility to have an officers' back in public, take care of in house matters in your office - that's your job. The original charge was a crock in the first place and to air it out in the Tribune is more irresponsible than what a small child would do. Again, I think at LEAST a public apology should be demanded from any concerned resident and an assurance that such garbage as this doesn't happen during his tenure should be given..... "

the truth wrote on Apr 20, 2008 6:25 PM:

" Hey at least the Bismarck cops aren't as bad as the "rookies" patroling the streets of Mandan. Twice in the past year I have been pulled over due to lack of their experience and twice I did not get ticketed because they couldn't back up the cause of pulling me over in the first place. In fact the second time I was pulled over the officer admitted to me that he only thought I had committed the offense in what he had pulled me over for. I'll take a bad apple over inexperience any day. "

Mom wrote on Apr 20, 2008 2:12 PM:

" to Horrified; officers feel they must lie and conceal the truth to protect their reputations? Whoa, I'm not at all comfortable with you being a high ranking police in our state with that attitude. If an officer messed up, he/she should accept the facts and deal with the consequences. Lying should never even be a thought in their minds. As far as printing the officer's name in the paper, I would have liked it to have been an all or none situation. Either print all of those that were disciplined or none at all. Why should situations like these be hidden from the public. Are we not the ones that pay the wages for the police? Aren't we entitled to know what is going on with our employees? And yes, they are 'our' employees. "

whos kidding who wrote on Apr 20, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Chief Witless what in the wild, wild west so going on with the BPD. New Chief same old, same old. Thousands of contacts with citizens and ONLY 52 complaints I don't believe it. "

justice for all wrote on Apr 20, 2008 1:13 PM:

" My meeting with CALEA didn't go as well as I had hoped, it seems some police policies are the same where ever they are. Officer Curtis, Stuglmeyer, Betz and Schneider are a few that I have had problems with. Liars, abusive and unprofessional are a few words to describe some traits in the BPD. Any others? "

Horrified wrote on Apr 20, 2008 12:07 PM:

" I am a property owner in North Dakota. I am also a high ranking police officer in a state that (thankfully) would consider criminal charges against Chief Witt for his violation of a peace officer's rights. All Bismarck officers should march to City Hall and demand the removal of Chief Witt from office. Even more important, all of the little sheep police officers in North Dakota that do not support police unions should think twice. This type of violation of trust between the Chief and the troops is what occurs when you do not have a strong union. Printing an officers name in the paper and discussing discipline promotes officers to feel as if they must lie and conceal truth to protect their reputations and families, rather than step up and be honest. With a chief like Witt (perhaps witless is more appropriate), an officer and his or her family is penalized by the entire community for mistakes for which he or she has already received punishment. Shame on Chief Witt. "

Just Me wrote on Apr 19, 2008 12:26 PM:

" I am a true believer that their are many great police officers but lets be honest there are a few bad ones too. I have dealt with the good and the bad. When I have dealt with a bad one I report it. I get the same response every time"I must have mistaken the officers attitude or words". That's when I get mad!! I do NOT have a problem understanding attitude or words!! What I would appreciate is HONESTY!! You want my respect then respect me when I give a complaint!! Lauer you are great!! You treat people with honesty and respect . The kids in Bismarck like you because you treat them fair. Horner and Brocker you need some time off to see if this is really your job calling. The two of you have attitude and need to deal with it! You have a lack of respect and have been dishonest with citizens. Take some time to honestly think if you are doing the department good. Other than that I want to say THANKS to the Bismarck Police Officers for serving and protecting my family. I pray that you stay safe so you can go home to your family at the end of your shift. "

Sandy wrote on Apr 18, 2008 11:59 PM:

" Something to think about. It is not always the police dept or Chief Witt to make the call! Don't forget about the Bismarck City Attorney and the Burleigh County States Attorney. The make alot of the calls! "

Mother of 3 wrote on Apr 18, 2008 2:33 PM:

" I agree with most comments here, that if you are going to name one, you should name all. I would be so upset with my boss if I were singled out in a negative way. Also, for the criminals these officers deal with, this is a great way to help this officer lose credibility and become vulnerable to the criminals. After all of this officers years of service and hard work. One inappropriate comment and bam things get ugly. It's too bad! I hope the officer knows we appreciate him. And by the way, unless this was significant misconduct, keep it out of the newspaper. The police have a hard enough job without having to worry about slander. "

Enforcer wrote on Apr 18, 2008 1:40 PM:

" What am I doing? I respect the law and have never got into trouble. I seen posts on these stories that the people who do this job are trained to be harassed, assaulted, ridiculed and that they should just suck it up. How ridiculous is that? To sit and second guess what these people do is stupid. I'm sorry that you feel that just because this is the USA, everyone should just accept the fact that you can criticize anyone and everything. Such mindless complaining is a waste of time. If you seriously want to change things go out become a law enforcement officer and see how easy it is. These guys don't sit and watch you do your job and criticize you do they? Maybe you should walk in their shoes for a while and see how it really is. Let thee who has no faults cast the firset stone! "

vhfs wrote on Apr 18, 2008 12:54 PM:

" and just what are you doing enforcer?..lol people have a right to their opinion..its the USA! (and the purpose of this area of the paper) if u dont like it dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya! "

Enforcer wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:44 AM:

" To all of you commenting negatively on this story, the Burleigh county deputy story or the Prison guard assault story: Who exactally do you think YOU are? Look at yourselves and ask the question: "What would I do if my job and name were smeared through the mud", "what would I do if I were assaulted by an inmate of a prison", "what would I do if I were slandered, or had to look over my shoulder at every turn, not just because of criminals but because of my bosses too." Before you start ripping on the local law enforcers, (oh yeah, detention officers and corrections ARE law enforcement also) think about how life would be without them, maybe those of you complaining of an occasional speeding ticket should step back and see the BIG picture and stop being holier than thou! It's easy to armchair quarterback from the cheap seats. "

Too funny wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:26 PM:

" To Independent;
I would just like to say YOU ROCK, you hit the nail on the head and I think that you should run for PRESIDENT, I would vote for you..... "

Independent wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:05 PM:

" Wow, gotta love the mob mentality of the Tribune blogs. It's funny how rediculous it gets as the comment blog get longer. Sure there are bad apples in any police force, but there are bad apples in society as a whole.

I am not in law enforcement. I'm actually in the military. I have done tours in countries with no law enforcement. If you think Bismarck PD is soooo horrible, I dare you to spend one day in Iraq, Afghanistan, or any other war torn country. Police are who maintain order, whether you want to accept that or not is up to you. Yes, sometimes authority sucks, but nobody said life was fair.

I would also like to point out to the people giving kudos to the Bismarck Tribune that the Tribune is not always the most reliable source. I can tell you for a fact from my own deployments that attention to detail is not a strong point for this newspaper. They don't care to spell names correctly, report the correct rank, and most reporters are not able to distinguish between Active Army, National Guard, or Reserve, among other things. They get quite snotty when you correct them, because they don't really care. Just report whatever will get the most attention. Accuracy is just a minor detail.

And to "Tom", I just have to ask, what's your education in? Have you ever taken any sort of criminal justice class? Just curious. One-hit wonders like you (I say that because I only see "Tom" comment to bust on law enforcement) are entertaining. "

kold wrote on Apr 17, 2008 4:56 PM:

" its sad when u cant trust the cops, ND not so bad, although a friend of mine was tuned up pretty good by the cops in fargo after they thought he matched the description of another suspect....his face was pretty bad, and could do nothin about it..sad situations! "

Law wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Horrible if he was beat up so bad why didn't you take him to the hospital first? Seems that his well being would of been more of a priority at the time "

horrible wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:36 AM:

" To John:

No they didn't offer to call whoever you said. After they gave him his minor they told me that they think I should take him to the hospital. Absolutely nothing was done for him. I sat with my family member and they didn't even take a description of where he was or what he was doing nor did they ask him for a description of the person who jumped him.

The first thing out of the cops mouth was. Hold on I will be right back. 10 minutes later he came back with a breathalyzer and said he smelled alcohol on my family member. Had him take the breathalyzer gave him the minor and then asked me if I had been drinking. My family member called me at 4:00 am while I was sleeping. I asked the cop what made him think I had been drinking and he said that I had looked like I had been partying all night. I wasn't drinking at all and told him that I wasn't going to take the breathalyzer because he had no right assuming that because I didn't have time to shower and put my best clothes to take my family member to the cop shop because I cared more about getting to my family member than making sure I looked like a princess when I went to the cop shop. He insulted me and sent us away with absolutley no help. No exageration on this story. The cop didn't even take any police report or anything.

"

John wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:57 AM:

" to horrible:

If you 'family member' was as injured as you claim, BPD would have called Metro and he should have been taken to the hospital for treatment. As for the suspects, you and/or your 'family member' were probably asked several time in more than one way to provide a description of the attackers, which you probably could'nt provide. So tell me, did they say "we won't find the person who did this" or did they say "we need a better description"? Sounds like you are at the least exaggerating your case... The Bismarck PD does a fine job. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:36 PM:

" Every squad has a few bad apples, but I wouldn't trade jobs with anyone in law enforcement. Every traffic stop, every door knock, on every corner there is potential for death. 30 grand a year? We are a very violent and frightening people. Do you want to baby sit us? I love seeing a cop car drive down my street. so it's hats off to you, men in blue! Thank-you. "

Horrible wrote on Apr 16, 2008 5:29 PM:

" TOo Cophaters:

Your right as stated in my first blog he was drinking. Was he falling over intoxicated and drink as a skunk no. To be honest he blew a .02 which since he was underage it was a minor. The only thing that made him incoherent was the fact that he couldn't see out of his left eye cause it was swollen shut and his nose was so swollen and bruised and his lip was slashed in half. The cops sent him away and said oops so sorry take him to the hospital there is nothing more we can do we won't find the kid that jumped him. SEE YA LATER HAVE A GREAT DAY! And in other instances I had with the Bismarck police I that I haven't noted and don't need to are even worse so does that answer your question coplover? "

Concerned Bismarcker wrote on Apr 16, 2008 5:01 PM:

" OK, now, some of you are veering away from the original content of the article. The bottom line is, this story did not belong on the front page and the way it was written had ramifications. I still don't have answers today. Why did Chief Witt omit names? I am a taxpayer, this is important because you have smeared a good cop. Also to the online editor: Did Jenny have a choice as to whether or not to use Kyle's name? I still wish there would be some public apologies because there was a lack of professionalism by Chief Witt and maybe the Tribune too? "

Former Bismarck Resident wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:26 PM:

" I want to say thank you to horrible, because the Bismarck cops can be ridiculous and insensitive. When I lived in Bismarck I could just as well let my ex-boyfriend get the best of me, who was a mean and horrible person. Bismarck police would act like I was lying and actually turn around and write as if I was the perpetrator after I had been abused. I am not sure if this is because my ex and I are both Native, and he looks completely caucasian. Little did they know what an animal he was--but I couldn't believe when I read some of the ridiculous things they wrote on their police reports. Another time, a crime I reported was not even taken seriously. Strange. ? They obviously were judging me by my Native appearance--without even knowing me. I am so glad I moved out of Bismarck city limits. "

Jay wrote on Apr 16, 2008 2:40 PM:

" To the Public: I find nothing to be morally wrong with this article. If you want to be in this profession you have to keep in mind that you are always in the publics eye so your behavior is a big factor on how the public and the department sees you as being a professional. "

RJ wrote on Apr 16, 2008 2:30 PM:

" WOW, it is absolutely amazing (and entertaining to an outsider) how law enforcement personnel bash each other. It appears to me that mountains are made out of mole hills with a lot of the posters perceptions of right / wrong, good / evil, this cop / that cop, this sherrif / the other sherrif, why me / why not him, were the best / your the worst, on and on and on and on.

People make mistakes, so what, who got hurt, what difference does it make now? Its not like someone shot someone and they didn't mean to.

Thanks for show, but please don't take the attitude out on the street with you. "

??????? wrote on Apr 16, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Anyone stop and think that all of this negative blogging is being a contributer to the Sheriff's Dept. and Police Depts, as well their Officer's overall morale and outlook on job performance. We all need to back off. Enough is enough. "

cophaters wrote on Apr 16, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Hey horrible. I think your judgement of Law Enforcement is quite skewed. I'm willing to bet that your "family member" that was supposedly beaten up, was intoxicated when he went to the PD to report this "assault" and the officer wouldn't do anything until he could hear the story from a sober individual...possibly your "family member" the next day. And for those of you posting blogs about Law Enforcement officers being of not good intelligence, then you try and do their job on a day to day basis and see if it's so easy a "caveman can do it!" If you all knew what it takes to get a Law Enforcement job in Bismarck you would know that you need at least a 2 year degree non specific to a certain major. Therefore, one could have a degree in elemtary education, biology, chemistry, etc., etc., etc., and be a Law Enforcement Officer in Bismarck, which in turns makes for a well rounded background of officers. In conclusion, I think we should stick to the matter of the article, which is conduct of the officers at the Bismarck PD, instead of bashing the ladies and gentleman that do the job and do it well. Bottom line is that most officers do a great job and should not be judged by the actions of other people. "

whos kidding who wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:55 PM:

" Does anyone know how get or whom to ask to see these complaints or are they kept private, maybe Jenny the reporter can answer this??? Maybe we can have a survey on a tribune blog, I would be willing to names names and then sign my name.
"

ck wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:41 PM:

" How convenient that Ziegler had only one name to release ------ and he is the
information officer ??????????
Shame on the reporter ------- printing a story when she did not have all of the
information.
It all sounds like " good ol boy politics " to me.
All or none----- do your jobs people ! "

justice for all wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:31 PM:

" To horrible: I wonder if the cop you had your interaction with was one of the 8 sandy says needs to go. Or was it one of the ones I have had run ins with? Did you file a complaint? and if so was it even looked at? Go to the meeting tonite and voice your complaint, we will see if CALEA investigates and how high its standards really are. "

justice for all wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:17 AM:

" To Sandy: if there are 8 or so officers dragging BPDs reputation down then why are they not let go, the true test of integrity is having the backbone to right a wrong, and stand up what you believe in. If Chief Witt fits this bill then he has yet to proved it to me. Don't forget the CALEA meeting the public tonite at the library . "

horrible wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:55 AM:

" All; I have to say is all my personal experiences with the police force in Bismarck have been horrible. They were rude to me and they were more interested in trying to find something to accuse of us of rather than trying to help us in the situation we were in.

I had a family member that was severly beaten and yes he was underage and drinking which is definitely wrong and he should have gotten in trouble however he was so serverly beaten when he went to the cop shop to report it they gave him a minor and sent him on his way with no report taken. So my family member being the victim went to the cops for help and was given a minor and sent on his way with no help what so ever. And the cop was truly the meanest unprofessional cop I have ever met. They didn't even care. His exact words were it's not my problem he got in the fight. When in fact he was jumped. Just ridiculous.

I personally have had poor treatment by cops as well from Bismarck. I wonder if I will ever get the help I need if I am ever in a serious or dangerous situation. That is why I am glad I live in Mandan because they cops there are wonderful and they express that they care. Unlike Bismarck. "

To: Tom wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:52 AM:

" I am offended at your comment. Have you ever taken CJ classes? I didn't major in CJ, however I did take multilple law/ cj related classes and found them challanging. Do you know all law and procedures by heart? I highly doubt that. Please don't knock other people's professions if you have not done it yourself. It just makes you look rude and childish. "

Online Editor wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:29 AM:

" To Small Business Owner, curious caller, from the inside, police officer's spouse and ND cop: Please choose a single posting name and stick with it. Posting under multiple names makes the conversation confusing to other readers and seem as though there is a larger group of people posting than there really is. Often times there are two people posting from a single computer, in those cases two names are acceptable. "

Online Editor wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:14 AM:

" To to Ralph: Good comment, but one change - in criminal cases we don't publish names until someone is charged with a crime, although her or his name often appears in the nubs after conviction as well. "

Online Editor wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:05 AM:

" To Miffed: Comments are reviewed for taste and tone, so some are not posted. I usually let some light jabs go, but if you want to take more serious shots at the newspaper and especially a specific reporter, call the editor, John Irby (250-8266), with your complaints. "

whos kidding who wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:03 AM:

" RALPH- right on don't stop now name the names hopefully the Tribune does have the courage to post, and yes DEB -Kyle was a scapegoat, I know of a far worse complaint the got buried in excuses. "

whos kidding who wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:53 AM:

" 52 complaints out of the thousands of calls and traffic stops, we must have the most respectful police force ever "

Online Editor wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:46 AM:

" To justice for all: If you would like to talk with Jenny Michael I would suggest calling or emailing her. "

~Deb~ wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:22 AM:

" My thoughts and prayers go out to Kyle and Amy. I've heard some details of the incident and don't believe it happened as reported. I'm wondering that after doing the survey, they didn't need to find at least one officer guilty of wrong doing? Was Kyle the scapegoat? "

bismarck citizen wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:07 AM:

" To: Ralph

I've seen some of your past posts on some other atricles, and you sure do like to say negative things about cops! My Mother always said, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". Maybe you should do the same. Oh and by the way, nobody said that Officer's names shouldn't be given out, but lets be fair and give all the names or none at all! Have a nice day. "

justice for all wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:49 AM:

" all names should have been released or none, the reason people don't filed complaints is because they don't get investigated fully so only 52 complaints means nothing, I can't believe out the thousands of calls and traffic stop there were only 52 instances of officer being rude, pushy, demeaning or on a power trip, give me a break. I filed a complaint against 2 officers and Chief Ness didn't give it the time of day, good riddance to her, Chief Witt is no better, Not all cops are bad some have integrity and principals others do not. Too many have "I was picked on in high school" syndrome. Am hoping for some integrity from CALEA, Bismarck police do not deserve to be accredited. "

To Ralph wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:42 AM:

" It's called coping. Childish little pranks here and there, are our way of forgetting about the suicides we see, the abused and neglected children, broken homes, intoxicated people, drug users, broken bodies at accidents, etc, etc, etc..... you know...THE STUFF EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE, REMEMBER, AND DEAL WITH. Our little pranks are ours, if we get called in on them so be it. Yes we joke around a little but most of us are professionals. It's real hard to forget a lot of the crap we see before we go home to our families. WE, not anyone else, have chosen this job, with full knowledge of what we would see and be required to do. If for some reason someone takes a joke or prank to far, then they deserve what they have coming. People please dont judge us because of the way we act on the side after an incident, unless you have been there, done that. This blogging session would be like me smack talking our troops for something that I have no clue about in regards to what they are dealing with...I'm not there, so I'll keep my mouth shut. No offense but working in a jail IS NOT law enforcement, it is correctional center work. If you havent been on the street and had a real taste, please keep your comments to yourself. Oh and also, your name usually doesnt go in the paper unless you have been convicted of a crime. Officer Geebhart was not convicted of a crime, therefore his name should have been withheld, unless all names were given. "

Ralph wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:33 AM:

" Why shouldnt the officers name be given out.. If I am arrested they make sure that my name hits the paper... If he did something wrong than he should be drug thru the mud with the rest of us... Why dont we just start paying our police force much, much better... then we will attract decent people to the post. right now all you get are a bunch of animals. Reminds me a bit of the movie Super Troopers. I used to work at the detention center. the things I both saw and heard were amazing.. childish pranks.. cutting the head off of a officer and pasting it to the body of a ( little person) to make fun of him... I found the picture sitting on the bench right in front of a court room where the public is allowed... how embarrassing to have these people represent us. I could name names here but I know the Tribune would not post them. "

Tom wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:27 AM:

" That really says something about our police force and who is watching there back... 50 complaints and only 3 were ever proven... sound like the BPDs conviction record..

How long do the citizens have to complain before something is done.. I don't remember the last time a police officer was fired.. everybody is to afraid to fire anyone these days for fear of lawsuits... We have a handful of good cops in Bismarck and Burleigh County and a ton of lazy power tripping flunkies that couldn't make it at a real college. In case you didn't know ... criminal justice is not considered a "difficult subject" the short bus parks in front of the CJ building at most universities.

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Traveler wrote on Apr 16, 2008 1:23 AM:

" Why is it that another BPO has provocotive personalized plates What if I am offended by that? come on Witt get it together who are you and Lt.Ziegler really protecting are they your BUDDYS? "

Sandy wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:37 AM:

" I have known Chief Witt for years and I say he is what this department needed! He cam thru the ranks as a straight shooter. He worked very hard to where he is. I think that is great of him. I see the officers he has to babysit nowdays vs wnen he was a young cop. These officers today are on a power trip! BOTTOM LINE HE IS THE CHIEF AND CAN AND WILL RELEASE THE INFORMATION WE ALL NEED. As far as officer Gebhardt he should have been sent packing! If he ans about 8 other officers were gone I could say the BISMARCK POLICE DEPT. would be the best around! "

Concerned Bismarcker wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:53 PM:

" To Remember When:
Perhaps, before you comment in this manner, you should get the facts from someone other than a child. I am NOT a family member nor am I a close personal friend but I can tell you he was NOT removed from that position for any kind of "wrong-doing". "

Fed up with childish politics wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:29 PM:

" To Fortuneteller:

No one is saying that the chief shouldn't report complaint numbers. What everyone IS saying is that it is low, demoralizing and just plain wrong to single out only one officer. Are you trying to say that no other officers have ever had complaints filed against them? Then why is Witt singling out just officer Gebhardt? That is just juvenile and unprofessional behavior for the chief of police. I agree-get Debbie Ness back. "

Concerned Bismarcker wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:20 PM:

" I am outraged! I, as well as many I've spoken with would like a public apology from Chief Witt. If other posts are accurate and media outlets had a choice, I would like an apology from the Bismarck Tribune as well. I work with the public and have had dealings with Kyle both on the job and off. He does not deserve this type of smearing from his boss or the media. The case that is in question is a joke. The way Chief Ness handled it originally is a joke. The PD administration would be called out if there weren't politics involved at every corner. Congrats Chief Witt and congrats Bismarck Tribune. You probably have effectively driven out one of the finest uniformed officers in town. I hope all involved feel REALLY great about the job you've done here - you've lost my support and a LOT of other citizens here too..... "

Former Neighbor and FORMER subscriber wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:54 PM:

" Once again the tribune has to go and make things worse - sad to say I'm not surprised. Not sure if this is a case of sensationalism by the trib or if it is a pathetic attempt at a smear campaign against a good officer. Either way, this article leaves both PD Administration and the Tribune looking foolish. The people of this community are not stupid. We can tell when something is not on the up and up like this article. Just read all of these responses - not one commending the "newsworthiness" of singling out just one officer while the others just happened to get their names "left behind". How convenient. "

Fortuneteller wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:55 PM:

" It would be interesting to know how the reports of officer complaints were reported before this administration. In previous years, most complaints were not even documented with details, just stick men to count the number received and the number unfounded - all duly reported to the chief (not Witt). So he gets lambasted for trying to do the right thing? "

Fortuneteller wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:46 PM:

" A society that makes war on its police had better learn to love its criminals. Chief Witt is a more complete Chief of Police than the previous figurehead who was good for meetings and long conversations. "

Farley wrote on Apr 15, 2008 7:43 PM:

" I have a close friend that works for bismarck police and he says the morale there is horibly low. my friend says that there are lots of officers that are out there looking for new jobs because the administration will stab them in the back even though apparently, they do a great job because the officers hardly ever get complained about. can you imagine the head of an agency publicizing how often his officers get complained about? I just don't get it!!

chief witt:

"The department relies on citizen complaints to find out when there are problems, either with officers or with department policies, the chief said.

"That's the only way we can make our operations better," he said.

SO THE ONLY WAY THE CHIEF CAN MAKE OPERATIONS BETTER IS FOR CITIZENS TO COMPLAIN TO HIM????????

WOW!!!!!!

hes not able to make operations better without citizens complaining????

I think bismarck could do alot better, perhaps they can find some administraters that can think for themselves and not rely on disgruntled citizens to do their jobs for them

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Be Thankful wrote on Apr 15, 2008 7:38 PM:

" The Officer's name should not have been given out. He was punished and it should be done. With the growth of Bismarck, I personally still feel safe in this community. I credit the Bismarck Police Department for that. We all make mistakes, say things we should not have and at times forget something. Police Officers are just regular people and they too make mistakes. I find it odd that the negative is the focus and not the POSITIVE. Complaints received compared to number of calls was SMALL . I think Chief Witt is doing a great job. Who knows what problems were left for him to resolve by the previous Chief and Administration. Chief Witt is known in the State for being an honest, respectful, fair and hard working man. We should feel lucky to have him as our Police Chief. Our Police Officers should be given a big Thank You for the service they perform. Like our Servicemen and women, the Officers are also doing tasks that most of us would not even dare or want to do. We should support them. We know that all we have to do is dial 911 and help is on the way. If a call was not put in the system, the person could have called 911 if it was an emergency. Maybe there was another emergency going on and it was forgotten. Why didn't the person just call back? We live in an "instant" society and sometimes things don't work out as we want them to. I think the Officers are doing the best they can with the changes the community has experienced. We want instant service, but get upset when our taxes are raised to pay it. Be thankful that we can still walk the streets at night, sleep without fear and know that honest, good people are just a phone call away to help. This includes all emergency personnel. Be Thankful

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kk wrote on Apr 15, 2008 6:06 PM:

" I think that cops are good and who else are you going to call in trouble HOWEVER I also think that their badges go to their heads and they abuse their power~I think that they are prejudiced against some people and need to go through training that teaches them to be fair~ "

Remember When wrote on Apr 15, 2008 5:09 PM:

" I hear a lot of comments on this story about officer Gebhardt being such a great guy and officer. Now I’m sure most are from family and close friends. I just want to bring up that this was not Gebhardts first wrong doing. My daughter told me he use to be a cop at her school but was removed from his position due to some form of discipline. Sounds like something should have been done then and we would have never got to this point. "

LL wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:48 PM:

" I used to think that teaching any course in a high school had to be one of the toughest jobs on Earth. Teaching high school pupils is a cakewalk compared with what these officers have to deal with daily. My thanks to all of you for the great job you do. However you are stretched too thin; we need more of you to aid those of you who do your job daily. "

bismarck citizen wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:27 PM:

" I just visited the KXMB website and the story is there and the officer's name was given! "

Sheepdog wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Thousands and thousands of calls for service. Thousands and thousands of other contacts with citizens and a minimal amount of complaints. Chief Witt and the citizens can be proud of the Bismarck Police. Good job to the officers that are over worked and under appreciated. "

JM wrote on Apr 15, 2008 3:53 PM:

" Clear the air...You are wrong. The local television news also broadcasted Officer Gebhardt's name. I'm not sure which one, but goto either one of their websites, and you can view the story from last night. By the way, I also know Kyle. I like him personally, and think he is a really nice person. However, he seems to have an uncanny ability to stick his foot in his mouth from time to time. "

clear the air wrote on Apr 15, 2008 3:09 PM:

" When the release was issued, there were no names given. The department did not want to release any names, just the stats. The Tribune reporter, Jenny, asked for the name of the officer involved in that specific case. Under the ND Open Records Laws they had no choice but to release that name. When asked about the other two names, the officer (Ziegler) informed them he did not have those two names readily available...they didn't inquire any further. The media: KFYR TV, KXMB TV, KFYR Radio and the Tribune all were asked to PLEASE not use Officer Gebhardt's name as it served no purpose. As you can see, three media outlets made the right choice. The Tribune, unfortunately, and as usual, refused to withhold his name..why? Just ask them..."Because the public has the right to know." Chief Witt thank you for providing the community with the stats. Tribune...shame on you for printing the name, it served no purpose but to drag a good officer through the mud. The issue was already addressed and put to bed. Shame on you! "

Jenny Michael, Tribune reporter wrote on Apr 15, 2008 3:03 PM:

" To Laura B.: Chief Witt identified Officer Gebhardt as the officer who had been suspended. Witt did not have the details of Gebhardt's suspension with him, and he referred us to Ziegler, who also serves as public information officer, for information on the suspension and the two other incidents in which complaints against other officers had been sustained.
And to others inquiring about why we did not use the names of the other two officers who were involved in complaints, as stated in the article "Ziegler did not have the names of the officers involved in those complaints." We were not given the names. Had we been given them, they would have ran as well. "

Laura B. wrote on Apr 15, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Well, 'stop pointing fingers', maybe Witt didn't say it....maybe Ziegler. It's hard to tell from the article. The only one who can truly say WHO stated Kyle's name is Jenny Michel. Jenny, care to jump in & tell us who it was that stuck Kyle's name in for the world to see? "

curious caller wrote on Apr 15, 2008 2:46 PM:

" So which duty commander doesn't put all of the callshe takes in the computer when they should be? It would be nice to know who it is and when he/she works so I don't call when he/she is working and not get a response to my house! Ridiculous!!!! "

bismarck citizen wrote on Apr 15, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Hey Robert

You hit the nail right on the head with the administration. You wouldn't believe the amount of forms these officer's have to fill out BECAUSE of this administration.

As far as this article goes, if I read right there should have been 3 officer's names given, or none at all. Administration really dropped the ball on this one. "

stop pointing fingers wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:46 PM:

" ok- I will agree that all names should of been released- but I would like to point out that it wasn't Chief Witt that release the name it was Lt. Randy Ziegler, Witt just confirmed what happened to him- I think it just comes down to the fact that no matter what you do not everyone can be pleased and I think all of the postings on this article prove that. "

from the inside wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:37 PM:

" Some officers of the BPD are just as upset about this article as are some, hopefully most, citezens. It is fine that Chief Witt wanted to release the numbers and statistics like he informed us he would via e-mail, but why drag Officer Gebhardt's name into this article? Officer Gebhardt has done everything that he has been ordered to do and has been trying to move on from this incident, as difficult as that may be. He is also dealing with the recent loss of his mother. And now this has to be brought back up and he has to deal with it AGAIN. When is enough going to be enough? What did Chief Witt possibly have to gain by bringing Officer Gebhardt's name into this report? Officer Gebhardt is a fine officer and a compassionate human being, he offered an officer that just lost his house a place to live. He will give you the shirt off his back and I am sorry that his name was brought into this. The citizens of Bismarck really need to know that they are lucky to have Kyle serving them! Stay strong Kyle!!! "

klonkikekat wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Imagine that... When the chickens ask the fox if he is up to no good, the fox says, "Oh no, I wouldn't do anything wrong." "

to spouse wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Yes! We would all be interested~~as I said before, I personally know Kyle & would go to bat for him in aheartbeat. Our ears are listening.....whoops! make it our EYES are ready to listen...read. WUTEVA!! "

online editor wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:12 PM:

" To Robert, that survey is here: http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2008/03/26/news/local/151869.txt "

Robert wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:07 PM:

" This must be a great way to raise morale at the Police Department. Can anyone tell me if they ever do a survey on what people think of the department’s administration? I hear more people complain about that department administration than any single officer. I think the city may want to pull officers under that administration aside and find out what they really think about this very disappointing administration. Way to make a name for yourself Witt. I could only imagine what’s next. "

a police officer's spouse wrote on Apr 15, 2008 12:46 PM:

" I wonder if the citizens of Bismarck would be interested to know that the incident involving Officer Gebhardt did not fall under the statistics in the sense that the article insinuates....rather it began as a result of a fellow officer making a comment about something he'd heard- not actually witnessed- and that there is no formal citizen complaint associated with the incident, or employee grievance, for that matter. I also wonder if the Accreditation Agency here right now would be interested to evaluate the investigation, since Standard Operating Procedure was not followed from the start. "

just me wrote on Apr 15, 2008 12:37 PM:

" If the tribune was only given one name then they should have left it out of the article. Either print all of them or none at all.
I've known Kyle for years, he is a great man and one of the best officers out there. I also agree with "some dude": our PD is doing a very fine job concidering how short they are on officers. "

some dude wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:39 AM:

" it is to bad that over the last few weeks we have had all this news about the Sheriff's Dept. and now the Police Department 50 complaints after 30,771 calls for service and 13,685 traffice stops = 1 complaint every 615 calls and 1 complaint every 273 traffice stops. plus only a few had been found creditable. so I would think our Police department is doing a fine job considering they are very under staffed with patrol men at this time.

As for the Sheriff"S Dept. some small corrections had been made on a report. nothing had been change. please remember that not every thing you read is truth.

" people don't leave the job they leave leaders"

maybe something to think about. "

All or none wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:38 AM:

" All or none.....simple. Bad taste on everyone's part for listing only one name. "

to: stop pointing fingers wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:55 AM:

" See there you have it, they used the names they had. Chief Witt should have given ALL the names and not just one! At least agree to that. "

online editor wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:51 AM:

" We used the names that we had. "

stop pointing fingers wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Did you ever stop to think that the Tribune had all of the names of the 3 officers and just chose not to put them in the article? Chief Witt is doing a wonderful job and it would be nice to see him get some congrats instead of always being put down for hard work. Lets put some more consideration into these comments and stop being rude to other people in OUR community. "

bismarck wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:40 AM:

" I want Chief Ness back! "

CMT wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:21 AM:

" To: give me a break

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you to a point. Can the police get out of hand and say or do something they shouldn't? Yes! But I also think that there are some people out there that think they were wronged but just maybe they weren't. I think a lot of it is about perception. Your right though, all complaints should be checked and verified. But I still think a small percentage of the complaints could be payback, so to speak! "

give me a break wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Give me a break CMT. Just because somebody files a complaint against the PD does not mean that they did anything wrong. People make mistakes everyday and unfortunatly when your job is protecting citizens then those mistakes are costly. Filing a comaint here is no different than comlaining anywhere that you do not get the service that you pay for. Officers use their own judgement and need to be held responsible for their decisions that they make in ticketing, arresting etc. People don't complain unless they feel that they have been wronged in some fashion. All complaints should be verified, checked and handled otherwise what accountability do they have to go by? "

Laura B. wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:55 AM:

" What a bunch of crap~~my family has known Kyle, Amy & their kids for years....he is a GREAT person & police officer. Why is he getting singled out in this article?? Let me guess, some harmless comment was made all in fun, and it gets thrown out of proportion, and now his name is slandered. Nice, Chief Witt...real nice. "

CMT wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:41 AM:

" I think it's a load of bull for one officer to be singled out while the other two didn't get their names in the paper. Come on, that is not right! All or none! I also have no doubts that the people filing the complaints only do so because they got caught doing something wrong, and feel that they have to pay the officer back! "

Resident wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:31 AM:

" I personally think that the Bismarck Police Department do good for some things but not so good for others. There was a time when there was unregistered offender that came here from another state and wasn't suppose to be here and the cops here wouldn't do anything about it unless they had a warrent and then it took 2 times to call the cops to get them to go and arrest him when there was a warrent and he was staying in a trailor court where there were alot of kids living. So pretty much watch out who your neighbors are in bismarck you never know when there is going to be a child predator out there from another state and living right next to you do checks on your neighbors yeah I know it sounds bad but got to look out for the kids in bismarck. "

ND Cop wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Really, Keith? Really? As a veteran officer od 12 years I believe that the citizens deserve to know that when they call in a complaint that they are looked at, but why would you list one officers name and not the others? It appears that officer has or is meeting any discipline bestowed on him with training, so why drag his name through the mud? I understand that what he did was wrong, but draw a line already! I bet this will be a real moral boost around the department too. And is it just a coincidence that this was realeased the same time the department is being evaluated for accreditation? Way to go Keith, I am very disappointed, I thought you were better than this. "

Mom wrote on Apr 15, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Hardly pays to file a complaint if only a few are considered to be valid. What evidence is there in a case of he said/she said? "

Alice wrote on Apr 15, 2008 7:49 AM:

" Now, why did they list one officer's name but not the others, all or none. I would think it would open that officer up for false complaints being filed. I wonder what previous statistics looked like. For the most part I believe the BPD does a good job, is there room for improvement - of course but it takes both the PD and the citizens of our city to make our community a safe and pleasant place to live. "

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