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City of Bismarck denies Hooters sign again

Mar 12, 2008 - 04:05:07 CDT

By GORDON WEIXEL
Bismarck Tribune

Hooters, Inc. returned to the Bismarck City Commission on Tuesday to again request an easement waiver allowing the new north Bismarck bar and restaurant to put up its sign - and was again denied.

A short-handed commission with only three of its five members approved a liquor license for Hooters on a 2-1 vote last month. But commissioners Sandi Tabor and Steve Schwab would not even consider providing a motion to consider the easement waiver for the sign, though Mayor John Warford was in support of the request.

At the first meeting, there were no representatives from Hooters, which is located in north Bismarck just off Highway 83/State Street. This time, John Taffer made the request for the business, which is known nationally for using scantily clad female servers. The commission had all five members on hand.

Keith Demke, director of utility operations, explained that about half of the sign, as designed, fell within the city's water easement. The sign, Demke figured, was about 10 feet away from the water main, and the footing for the sign about seven feet from the main. The footing would not be deep enough to present any difficulty to the city if repairs were needed for the water line.

Hooters was also willing to provide a waiver of its own, making it clear that any damage to the sign while the city was working within the easement would be Hooters' responsibility. Demke recommended the city allow the sign be built on the easement.

Commissioner Connie Sprynczynatyk, absent from the first meeting, questioned city planner Carl Hokenstad about Bismarck sign ordinances. While planning staff have been charged with developing a more detailed sign ordinance, it is still in the planning process.

"In general, the goal of the new sign ordinance will reduce some clutter, and we'll probably look at heights and flashing lights," Hokenstad said.

City attorney Charlie Whitman said there is a uniform sign ordinance, but that the sign planned by Hooters was legal and the only question was that of the easement.

Demke said that there are signs for businesses adjacent Hooters that are likely within the city easement. He added that the city had allowed other businesses in the past to build on the easements, as long as it didn't interfere with city operations.

This time, the commission took action on the sign. Schwab made a motion to deny the request, with a second from Tabor.

"I think developers have to start thinking ahead rather than coming to us later," Schwab said.

"I actually agree with that, but we don't have any standards in place to the contrary," Sprynczynatyk said. "From a consistency standpoint I don't feel I can support the motion, though I would like to."

Warford announced that he would also oppose the motion.

"It's a very busy corridor," Warford said. "One more business putting up a sign, without the city having an ordinance or standards, in my opinion doesn't make the area any more polluted than it is. The sign is in compliance; we need to be consistent. I don't think we want to be the sign police."

The motion was approved on a 3-2 vote. Commissioner Dave Jensen voted with Tabor and Schwab.

According to Whitman, the company has the option of building the sign outside the easement on their property, or could possible challenge the city's ruling in district court.

(Reach reporter Gordon Weixel at 250-8255 or gordon.weixel@;bismarcktribune.com.)

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Joe wrote on Jan 9, 2009 8:12 PM:
" You guys are seriously beyond lame at this point. One thing I want to make clear in all of this religious debate nonsense is this. USA = capitalism. Hooters = capitalist business. To deny them the right to do what other businesses have already done in the city is purely anti american. Separation of church and state my friends. "

BLEEDINGHEARTS wrote on Mar 23, 2008 8:25 AM:
" another situation the city commissioners can't get right, how much more can we as citizens of this city take??? When will we learn we have to elect people with common sense!!! "

voice of reason wrote on Mar 22, 2008 3:15 PM:
" Hmmm. Perhaps the Lord is working through me and not you. Perhaps he likes Hooters. But we do have one thing in common: neither of us knows who is right, no matter how long we debate this. The fact of the matter is that whether Hooters is allowed to erect a sign has nothing to do with your personal religious beliefs, nor your self-imposed mission to infect others with them. Let's take one last chance to get on topic, as I've lost the point: Should Hooters be allowed to erect a sign? "

bubbles wrote on Mar 22, 2008 3:11 PM:
" Come on, Kent. Surely if God can work through people, guiding their hands to write the bible, then so can Satan or the forces of evil. How are mortals able to consistently, with 100% accuracy, able to tell which bits are guided by good and which by evil? Perhaps Satan left you with the impression that lust was bad, just so you wouldn't have children and populate the planet. Or perhaps a misguided human, politician or translator, added a passage to the bible thinking it would be helpful and centuries later, in English, the translation was misinterpretted by the faithful. With all the translations of the bible through different languages, it impossible to know whether the hand of the translator was guided by good or bad. And so many of the tall tales in the bible were from earlier civilizations, not jesus. Check out Sumerian and Babylonian history. Even the story of Noah and the ark was part of many pre-christian religions. Just more campfire stories to keep the people in line, not actual material of devine origins at all.

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Kent wrote on Mar 22, 2008 10:27 AM:
" To Voice of Reason There is a difference between loving a woman and lusting after a woman. "

Kent wrote on Mar 22, 2008 10:00 AM:
" To Voice of Reason: I have an update for you. The Lord can work through people. He did it then and He can do it today. I'm sorry that you can't see this, but the Bible is God-breathed, even if it was written years after Jesus left this earth. Another thing is that some of the books were written by people who saw Jesus on this earth. I would like to know where you got this pure message of Jesus, if it didn't get it from the Bible, because I can't see how it came from anywhere else. "

voice of reason wrote on Mar 21, 2008 11:05 PM:
" You apparently do not know the history of the Bible, that it is not god breathed, not even close. It was written many years after Christ left this Earth, and edited further by Roman emperors and church leaders, deciding which "god breathed" texts should be included and which should be excluded. It was written by people who were never even alive when Jesus walked this Earth. I know you probably don't believe this, but do a little research and you'll find this to be true. ... God created lust so that you would procreate. If you didn't have desire, you'd never mate. If women didn't have breasts, children would never have survived. If women were never attractive, children would never have been born. I respect your beliefs, and am confident you believe them, but they are merely beliefs and interpretations. And they have nothing to do with Hooters. "

Kent wrote on Mar 21, 2008 3:10 PM:
" Also to "Voice of Reason" There is more to marrying a woman than just lust for her. Lust is sinful. "

Kent wrote on Mar 21, 2008 2:40 PM:
" To "Voice of Reason" Lusting after a person who is not your spouse is wrong. How is being provokative not a sin? You're telling us to get our heads out of the Bible. Where else do we learn about the pure message of Jesus. Every word of the Bible was God-breathed. In the Bible, said in the Sermon on the Mount: "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:27-28 That was Jesus' own words from the Bible, which is where his pure message is told. "

voice of reason wrote on Mar 21, 2008 9:57 AM:
" Why does Hooters have the dress code they have? It's obvious. To be provocative, which is not a sin. Again, stay home if you don't like it. Stop trying to change the world to match your religion. Love your neighbor, even if his/her opinions differ from yours. Realize that God created beautiful people as well, he/she created Hooters as well. You have to lust once at least once to even get married. And it's not wrong to do so. Your energies should be directed at the true evils of humanity: homelessness, poverty, war. Not Hooters. Not tight clothes or cleavage. There is a reason God made cleavage and the human body attractive to the opposite sex. He didn't do that by mistake. You are quite misguided to castigate God's creation or to think you can closely define what you think are its apparent excesses. Get your heads out of the Bible and your personal interpretations of God and start being sane change agents with the pure message of Jesus, not the writing of humans who were alive a hundred years after Jesus left this Earth. "

bob wrote on Mar 20, 2008 10:09 PM:
" I believe that they should be able to put the sign up. I mean, every other store and restraunt can but no not them. Of course. But that is just what I feel. "

Kent wrote on Mar 20, 2008 4:34 PM:
" To "voice of reason" Never once said that women were stupid or couldn't be pretty. They just don't need to show all their cleavage and I believe that there are some men who view women as nothing but sex objects. Anyway, why do you think that Hooters has the dress code they do? "

Kent wrote on Mar 20, 2008 4:02 PM:
" To Mandan: I disagree with you. Actually I wouldn't mind living back in the 50s if things were better then. The less women wear, the more attention they get because they advertise their "goods". Why is it around Christmas time the cops always say don't put your gifts in your vehicle where they can be easily seen? Because that makes them a target. Not saying that it gives thiefs a right to break in and yes, of course they should go to jail if they do. I say the same thing with women. The more they show, the more attention they will get from perverts. There may be perverts who will prey on anyone, but these women who don't dress modestly aren't helping themselves. Also, it may be true that my comments don't have anything to do with the original letter, but the sex issue started long before I appeared on this board. I would like you to show me where I'm being judgmental towards people. I'm against the restaurant because of what I believe it represents, not against the people who go there. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 20, 2008 11:32 AM:
" So we finally figured out that Bismarck Tribune staff is adding some of the comments here, to encourage vigorous conversation. Very interesting. "

voice of reason wrote on Mar 20, 2008 1:01 AM:
" Kent, I agree that "women are more than sex objects to be lusted after", and that "there is more to a woman than just good looks and a nice body." Do you assume that an attractive woman is stupid? Do you think that beauty is a trait that is to be despised? If a woman is brilliant as well as beautiful, am I at least allowed to lust after her brain? I really think that if a fat woman had tight clothes on (and let's face it, fat is likely to make the clothes tight), you would find this offensive, as fat doesn't inspire lust. But a beautiful woman who may be brilliant as well is some how not a creation of God, and is instead, something Jesus would frown upon. Do you think that a woman has to be ugly to be beautiful?

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mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 19, 2008 11:03 PM:
" Hooters is still a restaurant regardless of what anyone else cares about regarding how the waitresses dress or don't dress; or whose husband goes or doesn't go; or who cheats on who, or where the sign goes and where it doesn't. They are still a restaurant. They legally have to serve up the food; not the girls! The girls will be the same girls who work in restaurants all over the city; who you've already probably seen. The only difference is they will dress a little trashier than normal. Hooters is still a business; still subject to the sames rules and regs that all restaurants in ND have to follow; will still be inspected by Food and Lodging in the Health Dept.; will still have to practice food safety and sanitation or be cited for deficient practice. They are a restaurant; not a brothel (as much as some of you would like them to be; those of you still living in the stone age; obsessed with sex and female form). They still have to operate with a certain amount of professionalism, taste, and decretion. I think everyone needs to find a happy medium here. If you are upset about Hooters, don't go; good for you. If you are excited about Hooters because you think that somehow gorgeous model lookin girls will come out of the woodwork to serve you wings, then you need to come back to earth and to reality. Either that or you watch too much tv. "

Mike R wrote on Mar 19, 2008 11:02 PM:
" Lions and tigers and Hooters - oh my! oops, wrong story. Same irrational fear. "

mandan wrote on Mar 19, 2008 9:56 PM:
" to Kent
obviously you still would like to live back in the 1950's, but just because you do not approve does not give you the right to condemn and judge others. I go to church and volunteer at my church and raise my kids to have respect and I have taken them with to Hooters. Teenage boys that have said themselves they see the same or worse at the river, the mall, and even at school. If you dont like it dont go but dont try to judge those that do. Besides you definitely see worse on TV. Also your argument about perverts it doesnt matter if it is a Hooters waitress or a nun in full habit if they will do what they want no matter who it is so your comments about that are void of any merit. But to clear up something your comments throughout have actually nothing to do with th actual article which is about a sign and easement which the city has allowed continually until this business which shows personal commission opinion instead of fairness. "

Kent wrote on Mar 19, 2008 6:20 PM:
" To Dirty: People don't have to wear the tightest thing around at the gym either. There are loose shirts and one piece bathing suits available. "

Kent wrote on Mar 19, 2008 6:13 PM:
" To ????: Based on their advertisements that I have seen of Hooters, the servers in my judgment do dress provokatively. Just because someone does something at a church camp doesn't necessarily make it right. Women are not just sex objects to be lusted after. They are human beings as well. There is more to a woman than just good looks and a nice body. If children wear skimpy clothing, then that's a problem too. Maybe they wear skimpy clothing because they've seen other people do it and think it's ok. "

Mike wrote on Mar 19, 2008 5:00 PM:
" I live in another city where there are a few Hooters restaurants. The food is not that good. The ladies are nice to look at, but I guess the restaurant needs something to bring people in. You see more revealing dress at many outdoor public places in the city. The logo is an owl for Pete's sake, not very provocative. If somebody wants to put one of these restaurants in Bismarck, it's no big deal. The novelty of the place will probably wear off quickly. "

???? wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:52 PM:
" Meagan, What if someone like myself does not care for women that dress provocative? I am not, at least I don't think so, my wife might answer this diffrently than myself, but I am not a pervert, I like women who dress in a way that lets my imagination work. But, what if I was a pervert and has these views? Then what? "

This is lame wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:26 PM:
" I sure hope that none of you thinking that there uniform offensive ever go swimming. Women’s swim suit revel more then a Hooters uniform. I personally will never eat there I don’t like there food. But I welcome the idea of the new business in this town. "

Dirty wrote on Mar 19, 2008 4:15 PM:
" I think you guys are wasting your time discussing this with Kent. My gut feeling is he thinks you can't be a follower of Jesus and still eat at Hooter's. Matter of fact, I'm guessing I'm going straight to hell for working out at the Y last night. Not only did I see a couple gals in their workout clothes...but the swimming pool had women in bathing suits of all sinful things. I may as well quit going to church now because there's no redemption for me...not to mention I like eating at Hooters. I drink beer there too! "

Joe wrote on Mar 19, 2008 3:51 PM:
" It all started with that darn Adam and that darn Snake! Why would you eat it Adam....WHHHYYYYYYYY!

If we were all running around in the buff what a peacefull society we would all live it.....WHHHHYYYYYY ADAM....WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! "

ashley20 wrote on Mar 19, 2008 12:50 PM:
" Some of these comments are way off topic. But i just realized how pathetic our city really is. Why is hooters a bad place? I see more skin picking my sister up from the ELEMENTARY school then i see in a hooters. If it were that bad of a place, then they wouldnt allow CHILDREN in there. THey have good food, and if you dont like it, dont go their. Noone is making you. "

Meagan wrote on Mar 19, 2008 12:18 PM:
" To Dreamer:

I am a feminist but I actually agree with Kent on this one. A pervert is a pervert, yes, but if you choose to wear very revealing clothing, you ARE going to get more male attention. I choose to dress modestly because I don't want that kind of attention. Of course, women should be able to wear whatever they want and they are not responsible for being raped simply because they wore a racy outfit, but we as women do have to realize that by wearing skimpy clothing, we will get more attention than a woman wearing something modest. "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 19, 2008 10:03 AM:
" Back on topic people, FOCUS! "Demke said that there are signs for businesses adjacent Hooters that are likely within the city easement. He added that the city had allowed other businesses in the past to build on the easements, as long as it didn't interfere with city operations." I hope lawyers from Hooter's take their case to court. I don't see how the city has a leg to stand on. "

harpua wrote on Mar 19, 2008 3:07 AM:
" Bis/Man has been going downhill since they started cracking down on parties at the Desert... "

???? wrote on Mar 18, 2008 11:13 PM:
" Kent, so what if kids do go to this resturant? It is a resturant and you have no clue as to what you are trying to boycott. You need to get yourself educated then make a choice. I have seen kids at a church camp wear the same or less than what the girls at Hooters will be wearing. Is the real problem that you are ashamed of your body? You by trying to hide all "evil" from your kids, will be doing more harm than good. It is like trying to advoid all germs to stay healthy. If you don't expose yourself to germs, your immune system will not have a chance to develope. If you hide sex, sex will be like it is forbidden and you know what happens to kids when they are given the chance or are tempted with the "forbidden", they will sneak it. Being "dumb" to something is what gets one into trouble. Go do yourself a favor and get yourself educated, then make a decision. "

Dreamer wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:58 PM:
" Sorry Kent, I still say you are dead wrong, every pervert knows whats under any peice of girls clothing, these pornographic breasts you are talking about...... In the presence of a pervert there is no safety in wearing a turtleneck versus a tank top nor snowpants versus shorts. A pervert is a pervert, they are going to do whatever their twisted mind wants wether the outfit is mild or wild. Its the lack of self control by a mentally unstable person and clothing isn't going to change that. "

Gladys wrote on Mar 18, 2008 7:45 PM:
" I don't understand what the mean by a sign. The city doesn't want Hooters to put up a sign? Someone please clarify this. "

**IT Happens wrote on Mar 18, 2008 7:27 PM:
" Getting back on track with the story, This is about the city not giving approval for a sign. A SIGN!!!! How many of you people are missing that point? An approval that has been granted to EVERY OTHER business along that same stretch of road. Hooters IS COMING!! Whether you want it or not!!!! The people who are afraid of it are the same bunch of raving lunatics that thought if we had a state lottery everyone would turn into a bunch of gambling addicted junkies. Guess what? We now have a state lottery and hell still hasn't frozen over yet. Most of the people here who are complaning, Im willing to bet have never been to a hooters and know nothing about it. Yes it is attractive women serving food. OHHHHHH THE HORROR OF IT!!!!!! Its not as bad as Kent would have you belive, GOD will NOT strike you down if you enter the door. Give them their sign already, this is just ridiculous and it makes the whole town look bad. Shame on you memebers who voted NO!!!! "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 18, 2008 5:40 PM:
" "I think developers have to start thinking ahead rather than coming to us later," Schwab said.

I wonder how many other businesses have went to the city commission with an easement issue after the fact? Is it just Hooter's out of all the businesses that have sprung up on State St? "

Kent wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:47 PM:
" To "to Kent" I sure won't be going to Hooters, but what about the children whose parents take them in there? "

Kent wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:26 PM:
" to "Keeping Abreast of it all": I appreciate your compliment. I believe it's ok to love one's spouse romantically, but lust outside of the marriage is wrong and can break up a home. I don't have a Stockholm Syndrome. I just simply don't hold to your views, in the same way you don't hold to my views. Nudity is pornography.

To Dreamer: There are a lot of perverts out there who should be locked up and, yes, they are responsible if they commit sex crimes and no, it's not the fault of the female if she's raped. I'm just saying that by wearing tight and revealing clothes we're showing these people what they want and it makes these girls a target. Why make it any easier for predators? "

To Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 18, 2008 3:41 PM:
" You are completely right! The reason for this article has been totally lost. Our closed-minded commissioners with their personal adgendas are getting in the way of a perfectly fine business promoting themselves. Whether you like the place or not, want to eat there or not, is up to each individual on here, but the city commissioners are looking like idiots at this point. All any one has to do is drive State street, see the wide assortment of signs, the different heights, locations, colors and flashiness to know that. But now at this point, with this one business, the commissioners want to have 'rules' when nothing is officially written regarding signage on State St. Shame on you commissioners for showing such blatent prejudice. Your ignorance in knowing how to run this city is showing loud and clear! "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:13 PM:
" Let's get back on track and off women's breasts (I know, it's difficult, but let's try). According to the article, "The sign, Demke figured, was about 10 feet away from the water main, and the footing for the sign about seven feet from the main. The footing would not be deep enough to present any difficulty to the city if repairs were needed for the water line. Hooters was also willing to provide a waiver of its own, making it clear that any damage to the sign while the city was working within the easement would be Hooters' responsibility. Demke recommended the city allow the sign be built on the easement." If Hooter's is willing to sign a waiver absaining the city for any damages to their sign, what is the problem?

Now, I'm done with the issue, continue discussing the merits of women's breasts. "

bleeding hearts wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:10 PM:
" "thy shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" is the lastest sign in our neighborhood (21st street) why doesn't the city commission do somehting about these signs... their agenda and bias is loud and clear "

keeping abreast of it all wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:31 PM:
" Kent, Your comments reveal you to be a kind, gentle soul, and I appreciate your views. You are kind to offer them to us, and I respect them. I do. But it is clear that you view nudity as pornographic, which I just can't agree with. Nudity is not pornography. Not legally, not morally, never. Likewise, you seemingly feel (as do many posters here) that fully clothed attractive women also are either pornographic or bad in some way, as they inspire lust, which Christ is against. ... I can only encourage you have to step back a bit, look at how the human brain can be conditioned over a lifetime and molded into a belief structure that is quite narrow. Sex is a normal bodily function. Is it wrong to lust after your wife or husband? Moreover, if you (or others here) have a firm religious belief or view of the body, do you feel compelled to make us all live by your belief? I have to say, many Christians feel compelled to make everyone else live by their beliefs, rather than letting each live their own lives (and eat at Hooters). Christianity is a minority religion in the world, though strong in this country. Your views, while genuine and kind, seem to come from a religious Stockholm Syndrome to me. I can't accept them as my own. Sorry.
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Mom of 2 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 11:22 AM:
" I don't like alot of things that are here and that go on every day but guess what that's life and you avoid what you don't want to spend your money on or don't believe in. Same as some of our friends go spend 4-5 night a week at the bar and me at the same age can't believe that's what people want to blow their money on but you know what I have the choice not to go and I don't!! Why is that so hard for some people to understand? Stay away people then it's less of a line I have to fight to eat the good food!! See ya there Mindy!! LOL "

JustMe wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:13 AM:
" As to one of your previous posts, no I will not go look at pornographic images on the internet. Your sheltered beliefs of todays world are your own beliefs, not everyones. Your narrow mindedness is going to set your children back in life. Even though you may shelter them from it, will you pull them out of anatomy class over this? Would you deny them the dream to be a doctor just because they may see a breast? An anatomy book has lots of tatsefull images of the human body to help learn. Also, the more you shun them from sexuality the more emphasis they will put on it, eventually giving it more meaning to them than an average kid who grew up with an open mind towards that kind of thing, possibly creating an addiction. Everyone has the parts on their body, it is part of life. "

WOW wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:05 AM:
" people, breath in and breath out, think about this, this place is going to be a college hang out, like most every-other place in Bismarck, the people that work there will all be friends with the people that go there, all the gentlemen against this place don't you remember what it was like to be young, T & A is what you all looked at, and ladies.. you probably wanted to wear nice shirts and pants to make you look better for the guys, and the naked thing...get real, you had to get naked at least once if you have a child. Its real easy don't go there if your offended, but isn't the article about the stupid sign, not the way the workers are going to be dressed? There is another article about bulleying in our schools and on the internet, I think this board falls into bulleying on the internet, people are just being rude to eachother about how people dress, which those people are not going to be living in your house, under your rules. so who cares how they dress, I work in the school and I would like to re-dress many kids, but they aren't my kids, I don't push the issue in my house so therefore my kids dress very nice, nothin hanging out, so the kids that read this stuff will want to go there, but they will be disapointed to find out its not as bad as what people are making it, "

To Kent wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:56 AM:
" If thats how you feel-Don't go. Its as simple as that!!!! "

Dreamer wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:51 AM:
" TO KENT!!!
Sex crimes happen because people are perverts... it wouldn't matter if we all walked around clothed from head to toe. (heck, maybe it would even be worse because they wouldn't be getting any of their jollies just looking and it would drive them crazier??!!)
Do you really think all the lil alter boys were wearing hooters get-up that drove the perverted preasts into molesting them???
hhhhmmmmmmmmm......
I think your posts have no validation. Skimpy clothing does not bring perverts out into the open, perverts do. "

2008 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:29 AM:
" ARE WE STILL IN THE 40 AND 50'S MIND SET OR WHAT? LETS ALL PRAY ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, SURELY THE DEVIL WANTS TO SETTLE IN HERE WITH THIS HOOTER BIZ. WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL IF HE GETS HIS WAY. SAY AMEN. "

Dave wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:15 AM:
" ok seriously, why is a hooters sign the biggest topic in Bismarck? That's just wrong. To those worried about the damage seeing some breast tissue may cause, just remember, if it wasn't for breastfeeding, most of us wouldn't be here. Breasts are important, in fact probably the most important thing in the world. The more we see, the better. That's my opinion anyway. "

Git-r-Done wrote on Mar 18, 2008 7:45 AM:
" I think it is crazy that some people have very narrow, judgemental minds. If you don't like it, don't go there. I see teenage girls dress as skantily as the waitresses at Hooters resturants. If your kids go to the mall, or to Fox Island, they see the same stuff, or probobly even more!! "

Kent wrote on Mar 18, 2008 6:31 AM:
" to "keeping abreast of it all" What do you think goes through a child's mind when they see someone who is scantily dressed or when they see a pornographic image? "

Kent wrote on Mar 18, 2008 6:18 AM:
" When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, they realized they were naked and ashamed. As for any pictures of the male genitals, yes that would be wrong. The fact of the matter is that people can be addicted to pornography. I don't need any scientific proof for that. Just look at all the pornography on the internet. I don't believe I'm anything like the Taliban. I'm not out there blowing up anything nor do I plan to. Just because I make a stand against something doesn't mean I plan to blow it up. Jesus is against anything that creates lust. I would rather have been "sheltered as a child" than accept some of the ideas that this world embraces. "

JC wrote on Mar 18, 2008 3:31 AM:
" Kent, not sure how being a follower of Jesus Christ has anything to do with your comments or opinions. Was JC against breasts, the human body, women in general? I'd really like to know. And how does this have anything to do with a Hooters restaurant? "

keeping abreast of it all wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 AM:
" Kent, I appreciate your thoughts and opinions. But they truly are just opinion. There is no proof whatsoever of anything you say, including that looking at pornography promotes sex crimes. You may have learned this in church, but there is no scientific basis for the claim. ... Do you believe that visiting Hooters also promotes sex crimes? ... Since you said a restaurant that hires attractive people and makes a pun about breasts is damaging to children, I'd really like to know how. Please be as specific as possible. ... I suppose Michelangelo's David (sculpture with full frontal male genitalia) is offensive to you as well? Just remember, it's a slippery slope between your views and those of the Taliban, who blew up religious sculptures before we invaded Afghanistan. And as another poster noted, hiding the female body beneath an Islamic burka, to visually erase it from view, seems similar to your opinion. The similarity doesn't seem apparent to you? ... Would it be OK if the restaurant hired fat, ugly people to serve you? Or do you only feel attractive people entice sex crimes? "

????? wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:06 AM:
" Kent, lighten up dude, I am so sorry you were so sheltered as a child. If Adam and Eve would not have eaten the forbidden fruit, we would all be nakked. We are all nakked in the eyes of the lord. "

BILL G-A-R-R wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:23 AM:
" I am amazed that this many comments have been posted. If this were a story about the current occupant of the White House (and it turned negative), it would have crashed the Tribunes computer. Never has a story been allowed this many comments. Jason???? What is going on???? You owe us all an explanation. "

Kent wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:43 PM:
" To "Keeping Abreast of it All" I am a follower of Jesus Christ and I am aware that other parts of the world have different standards than we do here in America. I don't care what they do in Berlin or the rest of the world. There are certain parts of the body that should not be exposed and the female breast is one of them. Just because somebody does it doesn't make it right. If I knew a museum had a picture or a statue of a woman with exposed breasts, I wouldn't take my children to see it. What kind of sex crimes does Germany have? I believe pornographic images promote sex crimes. Pretty soon the visual isn't enough for sex offenders. They need the action. As for your statement "Do you really think that a restaurant that hires attractive people and makes a pun about breasts is damaging to children?... " My answer to your question is definitely.
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kenny wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:23 PM:
" What a dumb comment board on this simple thing. "

wow wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:11 PM:
" WOW!!! all this over a stupid restaurant?? everyone seems to say there is nothing to do except eat, some want a cassino, then we can worry about our kids turning into gambling freaks, whatever, I think its time for spring and summer so people can get outside and do something instead of complaining about a restaurant, I sure hope everyone doesn't complain about the dog doo in the park, I don't think I could sit and read that one, I believe people need to quit fighting about this and get on with your lives. its a another place to eat thats all.. "

Kent wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:00 PM:
" To "Mandan": I don't care if you see more skin on the river. I personally don't see any skin on the river because I don't hang out with that crowd. On the other hand, there does need to be some morals. If yo go to the Hooter's website I believe it's a little more suggestive than just an owl and the word Hooter's. It's their skimpy uniform. They may not be totally naked but they might as well be. I don't believe a restaurant like that belongs in business, especially when children are allowed in. "

keeping abreast of it all wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:16 PM:
" Kent, please. Breasts are "certain private parts"? Would it surprise you that in Berlin, there are billboards with topless women on them, advertising soda pop? It's true. I saw it. Did society suffer because of it? Did God strike them down? Nope. In fact, their teen pregnancy rate is lower than Bismarck's. ... Secondly, you seem to think that fully clothed people are offensive to children. Give me a break. Do you really think that a restaurant that hires attractive people and makes a pun about breasts is damaging to children?... Thirdly, many children were breast fed as babies. Were they scarred for life? Developed lifelong, damaging breast fetishes? ... Fourthly, if you travelled to Europe and discovered statues with bare breasts, would you want the museum to cover them, to shield your children from seeing them? "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:59 PM:
" To Mom of Teens: While an amusement park sounds like a great idea and I love amusement parks, you must consider that North Dakota is very windy. While lots of wind is great for a windmill, it's not so great for a rollar coaster. In fact, too much wind and the ride is shut down. I've walked by the bungee drop at the state fair only to read the sign stating that the ride is closed due to high wind. Without rollar coasters that twist you around and turn you upside down and make you almost crap your pants, an amusment park will be little more than what you already have at Sertoma park. "

mandan wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:32 PM:
" to Kent there is no physical anatomy except for an owl and the word hooters which is not offensive unless you want it to be. Just like in the bars in Mandan where there was bikini dancing you don't see anything unless you go in and besides you see way more skin than any of those places out on the sanbars and river so everyone here needs to get over this including the commission it is a restaurant that just wants to put up a sign the same as all those other businesses have along that street and they have even made it si the city is not responsible if anything happens to it during necessary work by the city and until the city gets an ordinance together that is specific this should be allowed. "

Kent wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:49 PM:
" I agree with Mom. I don't believe it's right to use certain private parts as advertising tools for advertising, especially if that business serves children. "

Art and Sience wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:03 PM:
" Art and science is not the answer to keeping people in town. That is boring. We need better bars and clubs "

REX wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:38 PM:
" SGT. me, Mom of teens is not living in the dark, you are just blinded by the light. "

Diggs wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:04 PM:
" Great Comment ?????
To all of the people that think there is nothing to do.....why is it you think someone must entertain you??? The instant gratification of the Xbox and Playstation lose their appeal????
It is not someone else's job to keep you from being bored -- boredom is the state of a person with no imagination. By the way for those bored individuals, How did you vote on the funding for the High Plains Art & Science Center? Go Mindy Go!! "

SGT. Me wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:31 PM:
" To Mom of teens, I am so sorry that you have such a closed mind and eye to what is out there in the real world. I have lived and visited many places where there is so much to do and places to "hang out", modern times and guess what...per capita...the crime rate is as low as Bismarck and as for drugs...Please open your eyes because if you don't see the problems out there in the Bismarck/Mandan area already...you really are living in the dark. "

give a hoot wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:28 PM:
" to the people that say having a hooters doensnt make bis progressive: that is not the point. the point is that hooters coming to bismarck shouldnt be a big deal at all. it should be treated the same as ruby tuesday, or fridays, or any other restuarant opening here. but obviously deep down some people think that this is just the devil moving in, and its those thoughts from backward people that make bismarck "not progressive" "

Mindy wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:18 AM:
" To Dubbles and SGT. me - I couldn't have said it any better. You guys are both right on track with what I've been trying to say through this whole thing. Even Minot has strip clubs, which, when I lived there we frequented quite a bit, just for the change. Here, you don't have that option. The closed minded people in this town are terrible stuck in the past. They do want everyone to sit at home 24/7 and do nothing aparently. I agree with mom-of-teens as well on her saying that we need more to do here. It would be great to have a 6 Flags or something family oriented that I could take my family to and have some fun. It just makes me sick that people complain like crazy about how we can't keep any of the younger generation here and sit around and scratch their heads on how they can entice people to come back....then when we do get the change to get a large franchise here, everyone fights it. You can't have it both ways...either you want the younger generation here, or you don't. It is pathetic that Mandan's strip bars were run out. They didn't even have full nudity there! They were in swimsuits just like they would be at the river! When the older people start dying off, then maybe we can bring new things here without such an uproar. We know that when the only thing we have here to complain about is a Hooters, that we have NOTHING TO DO! I am glad that this has turned to more people supporting Bismarcks economy than fighting it. You people that don't want it here, just don't go there. Stay at home and read your Bibles and DON'T watch tv!! There might be some sort of exposed skin on there! "

Thomas Elliot wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:55 AM:
" Mom of teens, I won't argue with that. By the way, you don't have the corner on single working parenthood. "

???????? wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:42 AM:
" I would think that with all the parks, the zoo, all the trails. the missouri river, ft. lincoln, shooting and archery ranges, golf courses, auditoriums, civic center, gyms, theaters, show halls, Raging Rivers, basketball courts, softball diamonds, OWLS pond, McDowwel Dam, The Mandan Speedway, just to name a few that there ought to be something there somewhere for all of you to do. Hard to belive that we as a society lack the imagination to find something to do. Growing up on a farm, we didn't have all the resourses that city folk have, he were forced to be creative. Get out and plant a garden, build a tree house or fort with your children, find a project around the house to do. Want to learn to fish or just go fishing, let me know and I will make room for you. "

Wow... wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:39 AM:
" 223 comments on this story?!?!? IT ISN'T EVEN THAT BIG OF A DEAL!!! How many times can everyone say the same thing over and over again?? Online Editor: I am so sorry you have to read all this before anything gets posted. Everyone else- find something worthwhile to do with your time!! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:25 AM:
" To Thomas Eliot, let me re-phrase my comments. Bismarck needs more activities; more places to go that do not necessarily involve food and/or alcohol. I have mentioned several already in many of my posts. Places to hang out? That depends. If it's a restaurant, then no. If its an amusement park, a museum, a new theatre, a dance club, a comedy club, etc, then yes, Bismarck needs more places to hang out. As far as the comment about reading a book and stepping away from the tv; I hardly think that applies to me. I'm a single mom, so not much in the way of tv anyway for me; reading yes definitely. But again, doesn't change the fact that Bismarck doesn't need thousands of restaurants with not much else. "

mandan wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:13 AM:
" to mom
Mike R is right if you cant tell the difference between waitresses and stripers or prostitutes you really are narrow minded. I do not know any prostitutes but I did know a few exhotic dancers and they worked only in the summer to put themselves through college and they are now working very good jobs, a neurosurgeon, cardiologist, attorney at a major law firm in a large city, 2 accountants and a few that wn their own businesses so maybe you need to open your mind up and realize that these waitresses have no problem working where they do, only people like you do. If you don't go there you won't have to be embarrassed. People get real it is a restaurant and if you dont like it DON'T GO!!!!!!!!! "

JustMe wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:58 AM:
" To mom-of-teens: This is not 1940. Teens do not care about new museums, rec-centers, or hotels with attatched casinos. You are narrow minded when you say all that is here is monster truck rallies and drag races. When was the last sanctioned drag race in Bismarck? You are narrow minded in thinking that your conservative views are exactlt what is going to save Bismarck from youth leaving, well it's not. A hooters is not going to save this town and nor will your Ruby Tuesday, where I think the food is garbage. And to the ret of you who think that they are wearing clothes that are too skimpy, llok at what your daughters are wearing to school today, it starts in the home not at that retaurant. "

FARGO wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:06 AM:
" My wife and two sons went to Hooters here in Fargo over 10 years ago and never have gone back. It wasn't because of the attire of the waitresses, you see more skin at the malls, it was because of the food. We didn't think it that good. The presence of Hooters in Fargo hasn't caused any moral decline in my families life. If you have a problem with Hooters don't go!!!! "

Thomas Elliot wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:43 AM:
" Does Bismarck need more to do? That would depend on what "to do" equates to for you. I don't lack for anything to do. You might try reading a book or having a conversation. You might try walking away from your television set for a while. I think you mean Bismarck needs more places to "hang out". "

why1914 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:46 AM:
" I'm confused Bismarck razes ant building over 50 years old so they can put up modern ones. But let a modern age restaurant wanna come to town and they say no . How about Hooters putting the sign on top of their modern building than will they need an easement ot maybe the easement isn't the problem , it might be the caveman attitude of our city commision "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 16, 2008 10:07 PM:
" To SGT. Me, yes Bismarck needs more to do, which was exactly my point. Hooters is not something to DO! It's just another restaurant; another place to EAT! You wanna open up a business, open an amusement park or a museum! NOT a restaurant. If you hate Bismarck so much, then yes you should probably move. You want your kids to grow up in modern times...I'm sure there is somewhere you can move where the crime rate is high, gangs and drugs are rampat, and school shootings are a daily occurrence. Good luck to you sir! "

Hooters? wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:20 PM:
" Places like that degrade everyone who frequents them. There will always be people and places like that. Let it go. At least you will know where to find them. "

SGT. Me wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:03 PM:
" I do have to add to my previous statement. First off…all you women so scared your husbands are going to go to Hooters and cheat on you, sorry to burst your bubble, they are already cheating. Those who think the hooters girls in their shorts and shirts are showing too much….I would rather see them like that then all these overweight women around Bismarck wearing spandex (sorry just vomited in my mouth). Why isn’t there a strip club in North Dakota but every other state has them? Why is the only place in Bismarck that calls itself a “club” really just a smoked out bar with college kids running around knowing they will get lucky. Seriously people, Bismarck has a lot bigger problems to worry about then just a Hooters and their sign. Lets jump ahead in time 25 years and see where Bismarck will be….I foresee 10 more Denny’s and Perkins, 50 more retirement homes and hmmm…nobody between the ages of 18-35 living here unless they are going to school. You would think that with all the uptight people in this area, we would be the worlds biggest exporter in Diamonds. What would Bismarck say to a couple new dance clubs? Playing music you don’t hear on the radio around here but instead these clubs would be based off of clubs in modern cities like Vegas, LA, Orlando, NY? I know what this city would say….they would say “NO, we don’t want that here, it will just cause trouble”, while in the same breath those same people will question why our young people, the future of Bismarck, are moving away. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:35 PM:
" plasmatron, when did I EVER say I was embarrassed by my body? I think you are hearing things; maybe you should see someone about that. I also never said that I didn't like Hooters; I could care less about Hooters. I could ALSO care less if you spend all your time at Hooters; if you don't have better things to do with your time, that sounds like your problem not mine. I just think Bismarck could use something besides restaurants to make us feel like we are "progressing". You obviously only want to hang out at Hooters for the eye candy, by your comment, so I guess you are the one who is small minded; not me. "

SGT. Me wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:23 PM:
" Good Lord People, I am glad my enlistment is almost up with the ND National Guard...then I can take my family and move someplace that is with the times. First Mandan shuts down 2 bikini bars, then Bismarck doesn't want a hooters, Hey lets build ANOTHER old folks home/retirement community. I am willing to bet both the city of Mandan and Bismarck would be fighting for that. I am embarrassed to live in Bismarck, even worse I am embarrassed to admit I am from here. OH NO, my husband is going to go there and look at beautiful young women...oh wait... guess what, have you looked around lately...come on Bismarck...come on North Dakota....get with the times and stop trying to stay OLD. My wife and I have considered opening a business here in Bismarck, then we changed our minds. Why? Because Bismarck and most of the people here are so narrow minded that it makes us sick. You complain that the young people are leaving and not coming back, you complain because the young people get into trouble, all you do is complain...even when someone wants to open a business to keep young people here and give them something to do. Grow up Bismarck or your going to end up turning yourself into a retirement community and then into a ghost town. As for my family...yes we are moving...someplace where are kids can grow up and know what MODERN times are and not be restricted to the dark ages...oh wait....those ages probably had more to do then Bismarck does now. "

REX wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:06 PM:
" Why I Left, Obviously you've not spent any time in Alabama or anywhere else in the south. You think Bismarck has Bible thumpers? Good Lord! Take a trip south sometime. "

who cares wrote on Mar 16, 2008 5:59 PM:
" Rose, you make some good points. Who cares about hooters. Are people in this town so bored that they need to freak out over a hooters??? Good or bad, its still just hooters. Sure, it exploites women but it's the women who work there who choose to be exploited. Who cares. We have far more issues to worry about than a hooters. "

plasmatron wrote on Mar 16, 2008 5:48 PM:
" mom-of-teens: As long as its just the beer that's flat... :) Give me a break. It's the circle of life, Simba. Sex sells, because it is at the root of all of society, a primal, normal, human need on equal par with food, sleep, air. If you're embarrassed by your body, stay home. If you don't like Hooters, don't eat there. Stop trying to adjust society to match your small minded beliefs.If you want to open a restaurant with fully clothed brainy nerds and fat people serving the food, be my guest. You don't have to be smart to know which one will sell the most wings and beer. "

TRUTH wrote on Mar 16, 2008 4:51 PM:
" Wow! sounds like Bismarck is becoming more like Minot. "

Rose wrote on Mar 16, 2008 4:50 PM:
" As someone who has lived in far more "progressive" cities such as London & San Francisco, I fail to see how anyone can think a Hooters makes Bismarck progressive. I don't have a problem with women using their physical "assets" to take money from neanderthal males, and a Hooters waitress is not the moral equivalent to a stripper or prostitute, no matter how you present it. That said, a Hooters isn't going to provide this town with the cultural enlightenment or social progress found in "real" cities all over the world. But then, neither would a casino as some concerned mom suggested in her comments. (really? gambling is better than tight-fitting shirts? Wow, you have your priorities askew) Look at the cultural meccas of the world. Are they littered with unoriginal franchises like Bismarck and Fargo are? No. They have unique stores, galleries and restaurants that sell more than camoflauge, bad watercolors and serve something other than wings and burgers. But here in ND, we're so consumed with "catching up with the times" we're allowing ourselves to be sold a bill of goods that chain stores and chain restaurants will somehow make our cities enticing to young people and tourists. We talk about how progressive we are because we got an Old Navy and a Ruby Tuesday. But real progress is thinking outside of the box and encouraging original thinking. So I'd say Hooters is a perfect match for the redneck mentality of ND. "

Matt wrote on Mar 16, 2008 4:37 PM:
" Been to Hooters once and I did not see anything that would be a reason to cause so many people to have such judgemental opinions about. Until I see it for myself, all the bad reputation Hooters has received about skimpy clad watiresses, etc. is extremely overstated. "

Make your own choice wrote on Mar 16, 2008 3:24 PM:
" To Mom-of teens,

I never said that you voicing your opinion would keep me from going to Hooters. But it is quite obvious that you wish the restaurant would never come to town. I can assure you that if your classy style hotel came to town I, along with others, would not camplain at all if you choose to go there or about the people that work there. I am willing to bet I wouldn't be one of there customers though. I am quite content going to an average American business. You also prove my point as to never being in Hooters. I have been to several around the country and quite honestly they have the best wings I have ever had and not once have I received a flat beer. And as far as spending all of my money there, I do not know for sure but doubt that my tax bracket is much, if any, lower than yours. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 16, 2008 2:45 PM:
" And here's something else for you Hooters lovers to consider. Do you think that the Hooters corporation is going to bring in supermodel looking waitresses INTO Bismarck to work there? I seriously doubt it. Chances are, the waitresses that will be working there, are ALREADY waitresses working someplace else in town, and you have PROBABLY already seen them! Big deal. So waitresses that you have already seen will be wearing shorts and tanktops and serving you bad wings and flat beer. If that concept excites you people, then YOU are the ones who need the life, not the rest of us! Have fun. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 16, 2008 2:39 PM:
" Sweetie, I could care less if a girl wants to wear skimpy clothes and look like a "tramp", as long as she knows who she is and has something else to fall back on besides a great body; like a brain with a side of common sense perhaps. It's the double standard here that I dislike. Ruby Tuesdays came to town, and no one said a word; no one cheered or b#tched in any way. Then Hooters, and all of a sudden everyone cheers because of the wings?? Or perhaps its the "breasts" and the "thighs" they like more?? That's what I dislike. Bismarck is not the problem; it's the concept that sex always sells; but only if it's women. Men don't have to deal with that same problem. "

why I left wrote on Mar 16, 2008 1:23 PM:
" Wow. After reading the comments here, perhaps some of you can see why I moved away from Bismarck after graduation and now live in Seattle. Bismarck is a backwash, riddled with bible thumping Puritans who fear the body, skin, intellectual thought, the rest of the world, etc. It's Wilton with a Super Wal-Mart. It really apparent when you're away for a year and then come back to visit. The buildings change, but the people do not. You really have to ask yourself what motivates this belief that a beautiful body is a bad thing. Perhaps Bismarck should force its women to wear Islamic burkas, to visually erase them entirely. Alabama is happy you exist, as it makes them look good. "

More Competition! wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:53 PM:
" I would love to see a "Trashy Lingerie" store open in the mall to give "Victoria's Secret" some competition. From what I have noticed walking the malls, this is just what the younger generation of girls would be looking for and would support. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:37 PM:
" To make your own choice, how exactly is voicing an opinion on this board forcing everyone to not go to Hooters? If you all want to hang out at Hooters, spend all your money on crappy wings, flat beer, and cheap thrills, that is up to you, isn't it? If Bismarck absolutely needs Hooters to feel like a progressive city, then fine, whatever. All I'm saying is Bismarck NEEDS something MORE to do in this town besides eat, drink, and drool. We need a classy hotel with a casino, better entertainment, yada yada .... talk about progressive. Why stop at Hooters. We need a long list of things here besides another restaurant.....an amusment park, for starters; there are tons of things Bismarck could get here besides another restaurant, but no one seems to want to do anything here except eat out. I could care less if Hooters comes here, or if Olive garden comes, or we get another restaurant, so what? We need REAL entertainment here, not just restaurants. "

Make your own choice wrote on Mar 16, 2008 10:25 AM:
" I do have a question to all of the people on here that are bashing Hooters. How many of you have actually been into a Hooters Restaurant to know what it is really like? I am willing to bet few if any. You really don't have a clue as to its atmosphere at all. So many make an opinion on things that really don't involve them and try to force it on everybody else. This is the major problem with society today. Learn to look out for yourselves and leave others to mind there own business. "

here we go again wrote on Mar 16, 2008 9:07 AM:
" I guess I don't see how having waitresses in tank tops, short shorts, and nylons will make Bismarck a progressive city. How will strip clubs make a city more modern?Take a look at the cities you want us to be like. They have neighborhoods you don't dare drive thru for the gang activity, drugs, shootings, and general violence. Modern cities have politicians resigning over sex scandals and corruption schemes. Just what kind of city do you want? Believe me, the bad stuff is followed by the worse stuff. No, Hooters will not lead us all to hell. But it does make it seem "ok" to see women showing their bodies to make rent and pay bills. What kind of job do you want your daughter to grow up and do? Think about it - these girls that show off their bodies for a job are someone's daughter, sister, wife. Is it ok if it is yours? "

IDEA!!!!!! wrote on Mar 16, 2008 8:43 AM:
" Move HOOTERS to WILTON they would be willing to take them and any other business (people wake up and get with the times) no wonder why the Dakota's are dying "

Mall walker wrote on Mar 16, 2008 4:27 AM:
" It's alot cheaper to eat at home, then go to mall and sit around and leer at the girls going by there. Maybe do some walking and eat a pretzel. I can't believe how eating and drinking out has become a way of life these last few decades. These developers, ad and promotion people know what consumers want , not so much need, and by God their going to give it to us. It's all about the almighty dollar. "

WOW,MOMS wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:07 AM:
" TO Mom and whomever else, I cannot believe you are complaining about it being degrading to women...you must be ashamed of your body, and think it is degrading to show something beautiful. If a woman wants to show her body, let her do it..dont take it away...besides, you live your story and let others live theirs...do not tell them that it is degrading or offensive. If it is to you, than so be it..but dont live someone elses life for them..that is totally wrong..I am a mom in my 40's and I see nothing wrong with it...I am not telling you how to dress, and how to act... and where to go to church, so please do not tell others...live your own story, and let others live theirs. "

to Dubbles wrote on Mar 16, 2008 12:06 AM:
" There are no strip clubs because they are outlawed in Bismarck. Mandan recently outlawed them too. Bis/Man is plagued with a generation of extremely hard-headed people that are quick to outlaw anything that is fun. They want everyone to sit at home every night, studying the bible. If you won't willingly comply, they will outlaw shopping on Sunday until noon. Oh, that's right! The have outlawed shopping on Sunday until after noon since the founding of the city and every challenge to the law since. Welcome to boringsville, population who cares, we're all to bored to bother counting. "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 15, 2008 10:10 PM:
" I'm for a vegas style hotel with a casino and weekly vegas style shows, comedy clubs, art musuems; I'd rather see things that that than another restaurant; but whatever. If you all think a Hooters in Bismarck is an absolutey necessary step in the direction of progress for Bismarck; then fine; whatever. We DO have Ruby Tuesday now too, by the way, which is a hip and happenin restaurant, but that didn't get near the publicity that Hooters is getting. I wonder why?? "

Simle Mom wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:32 PM:
" my cousin works at the NY Times gossip column, and guess what.....this topic is going to be featured. How pathetic....Bismarck has nothing else to whine about but a flippin' Hooters opening. PEOPLE....get with the times, and off your high horses!! "

Just pathetic wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:22 PM:
" All you people crying about how Hooters is horrible and degrades women and blah blah, get a life. Go outside and protest BWW for all the short short shorts that get worn there, as many others have compared. If you wanna cry about discrimination, go send Wal-Mart out of town for how they treat overweight individuals concerning their health care coverage plans. There are plenty of fugly girls i've seen at any and EVERY bar and eating establishment in this city, as well as other cities and other states. But for those places where attractive women do work and dress what some of you consider too provocatively, you could go scream at the makers of the clothes, and then take on any place that makes clothes like that for retail, like Victoria's Secret, Wet Seal, any and everyplace that sells a halter top or a short skirt or a bikini. Bucks has their home made swim suit competition, go cry to them.

OR

Just stay away from those places. If you don't want your husband going there, that's your OWN MARITAL PROBLEM. If you don't like how a business makes it money or any practice that they're involved in, then DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR BUSINESS. If you don't want anyone to support the business when all of us already know what it's like there, then cry and criticize and cut down your OWN FRIENDS for supporting them or cut them off from being a friend. But you don't know me, and I don't know you, so LEAVE ME ALONE if i'm one of the people that supports new business and franchise growth.

Anyone can find something they deem offensive, but this business doesn't involve slave labor, killing, torture, or anything taboo, so GET A LIFE and leave me and my fellow customers of businesses alone. "

Dubbles wrote on Mar 15, 2008 6:09 PM:
" What I cant understand is that the size of bismarck and yet there is no strip clubs?
If I had the money I would put one up. Ive been to cities smaller than bismarck and they have at least one. Why dosent bismarck have at least one? "

Mindy wrote on Mar 15, 2008 4:56 PM:
" To Mike R. -

It is senseless to try and tell mom or AEB anything. Many of us have tried and they just don't have the capacity to understand. I'm glad that there are many of us out there who are willing to open up and try something new in this town. We are already stuck so far in the past we have a long way to go. This is a step in the right direction, and I hope many other businesses and restaurants that we don't have here will soon show up as well. Gee maybe we can even get a Fredricks of Hollywood!!! LOL "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 15, 2008 4:30 PM:
" To real guy, I don't EXPECT the government to be in charge of my entertainment, but like I said earlier, Bismarck needs another restaurant like it needs another bank. We need OTHER things to do in this town besides go out to eat, don't you think? "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 15, 2008 4:13 PM:
" FYI- Steve Schwab, John Warford, and Connie Sprynczynatyk are up for re-election in 2010. "

Mike R wrote on Mar 15, 2008 2:53 PM:
" Mom: The true test as to whether a proffession is degrading to women or not is if they are proud of what they do. Most strippers and prostitutes hang thier heads in shame if you ask them what they do for a living. Girls who work at hooters are generally not ashamed of where they work or what they do. In fact, many times they will invite thier friends and family to come in and eat at the resturant when they are working. If you still can't see the difference there, I can't help you. "

Me wrote on Mar 15, 2008 2:26 PM:
" Why even let them build in Bismarck if they are going to deny everything they want. Hooters has gotten to be more of a family resturant. Yeah they wear kinda skimpy shirts and shorts, but it is no different than going to the mall and seeing what the girls are wearing now days, they need to wear more clothing.. "

mom wrote on Mar 15, 2008 1:33 PM:
" to Mandan: If you think the fact that your cousins/friend made good money working for Hooters somehow means that makes it less degrading to women in general, perhaps you are also okay with them being strippers or prostitutes? After all, as long as they are making good money it must mean they are thought of as equal to men? That is backwards thinking. I believe a century or so ago women here in Bismarck did make some good money at the brothels. Hopefully we've moved on from that way of thinking and we shouldn't have to demoralize ourselves (or other women) in such a way to make an earning. "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 15, 2008 12:51 PM:
" to Unreal and et al: Jensen and Tabor are not seeking re-election. "

unreal wrote on Mar 15, 2008 12:16 PM:
" let's vote these narrow minded commissioners out of office. This is a clear case of a few individuals with some power trying to enforce their beliefs. Give the mayor some credit, but run the rest out of office. If they are not going to give hooters a sign make all other businesses take their signs down. what a joke! "

To: Ruby Reader wrote on Mar 15, 2008 11:55 AM:
" The comments on my screen are not italicized. You may need to make an adjustment on your computer to find the type face that best suits you. Have a good day. "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 15, 2008 11:12 AM:
" To Mom of Teens: I agree, it is cheaper to cook at home. In fact, I've been trying my hand at cooking ethnic foods that you can't get in Bismarck. I have to give the grocery stores credit for getting more ethnic ingredients on their shelves. "

Real Guy wrote on Mar 15, 2008 11:04 AM:
" To Mom of teens, I don't think Bismarck's government is involved alot in bringing to restaurants to town, that's a private sector thing. Plus, when is it the government's responsibility to provide entertainment and things to do for you and your family? No wonder taxes are too high! "

Matt wrote on Mar 15, 2008 11:03 AM:
" Hurry! Don't delay. Get the "Hooters" sign up! I want to know where to find it next time I'm in Bismarck for lunch. "

Rugby Reader wrote on Mar 15, 2008 10:37 AM:
" Why are all of the comments italicized? "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 15, 2008 9:30 AM:
" To points to ponder, that may be true, but in the end, it is still cheaper to eat at home; when one meal at a restaurant for a family of three (like mine) runs around $30; I can get 4 or 5 meals with that at the store. I really think one of the problems with Bismarck is so many restaurants, so little time. I don't care if we get a Hooters, an Olive Garden, or another McDonald's here. Bismarck needs another restaurant about as much as it needs another bank. Why should Bismarck focus so much on just restaurants all the time. Why not the rec center that is supposedly going up; why not a museum, how about an amusement park, how about an underground theater or aquarium like at the Mall of america; something that "young people" would really like to do. Let's face it, unless you hang out at the bar every night and like sports, or like Monster trucks or drag racing, there's not much to do here in Bismarck except eat out (duh) and go to a movie. But, I guess there is always the mall. The fact of the matter is, Bismarck has no imagination when it comes to entertainment. "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:13 AM:
" To Mother of Teens: People may not have a choice but cook a home. With the price of gas keeps going up, all of my disposal income is now going into the gas tank. As far as helping the economy out by eating at home, if you think the price of gas is high, just wait until the pricetags at the grocery store jump. Even if you bake your own bread, expect to pay a lot more for flour. Right now, the last loaf of bread I bought was at 1.69 and 1/2 of milk is over two dollars. We're not talking luxury items, like bonbons, here, the price of food staples is going to rise dramatically. In addition to eating at home, maybe a backyard garden this year might be a necessaity, not a hobby. "

mandan wrote on Mar 15, 2008 1:58 AM:
" to mom and aeb you two sure have closed minds. I have two cousins that work at Hooters and they have not had to take out loans for college for which one is going for business and the other pre-law and a friend who worked at a Hooters that made enough to put herself through med school. I would not consider them unintelligent at all. Speaking of suffrage, think about this, Hooters and businesses like this are probably one of only a few where a woman actually makes more than a man even though most conservative places women earn about .75 to the $1 what men make. Besides I know women that work at Hooters do not feel degraded or they would not even apply so grow up and get with the times. The city has allowed signs to go up on easements prior to this and until they get something down on paper to strictly follow they should allow this sign to go up. "

Well... wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:07 PM:
" I know this has nothing to do with the sign placement but when my boyfriend went out to Portland, they ate at a resturant where girls danced atop the tables in just binki's and when they were finished with their plates, they took them over to a corner and the resturant and threw the plates against the wall. Sooo really now hooters is PG to that place. I'm only 20 and can't wait til Hooters opens. What you people in Bismarck need to realize is that the younger generation whats new and exciting business to come that way we feel like Bismarck is moving forward. I've been to the Twin Cities and I can say that I love living here in ND. So let Hooters put up the sign.....it could be a lot worse!!!! "

mom-of-teens wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:16 PM:
" Here's a thought!! Maybe everyone should just start eating at HOME!! I realize this is a boring practical idea, but what the heck why not try it sometime. Maybe then, people wouldn't give a "HOOT" what restaurant is here and what restaurant isn't here, and blah blah blah....learn to COOK people!! Maybe the economy WOULD BE in better shape if people ate at home and saved their money!! Then you could all find something else to gripe about, like uh, I don't know....the price of GAS maybe?? Just a thought!! "

Mike R wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:51 PM:
" AEB: I don't think anyone ver mentioned that you wouldn't find ugly or overweight bankers. What was said is that bankers are going to wear suits and you would find any that are excessively tatooed or pierced. The comment about ugly and overweight was made exclusively for waitresses, and I agree. Please tell me where the ugly and overweight waitresses work in Bismarck. It kind of is a part of the job description how they look. You don't have to like it. Yes it is sexist. Maybe even a little sickening, but that is how it is in today's society. If you don't like it, I am sure there is somewhere where physical appearance doesn't matter and you can move there. Hooters is not going to be creating any kind of discrimination in Bismarck that doesn't already exist at BWW, Texas Roadhouse, or any other eating establishment. "

AEB wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:49 PM:
" To Food and Appearance: You are just plain wrong. I know a lot of ugly and overweight bankers, as well as lots of other people in professional positions. And you know what? They do just fine and I doubt that they would agree with your claim that they are better suited to the back office jobs that do not have contact with the public.

For a bit of social sensitivity training, you might read The Working Poor: Invisible in America by David Shipler.
"

to PTP wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:49 PM:
" Get a loan and open up a restaurant. IF you think there is a demand then do it. Why do people always say when are we going to get this or that. Its not the cities responsibility to provide you with the types of restaurant you want to eat in. "

AEB wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:36 PM:
" To Mindy: LOL but I am sure that it was as clear to everyone else as it was to me that you didn't understand what "suffrage" meant (go back and read your first response, please). I guess we will have to agree to disagree on whether working at a restaurant that requires you to parade around in glorified underwear and a low cut tank top is something "strong and independent" women do. I think it would be much more empowering to work at a job where your earnings depend on utilizing some sort of valuable skill or education rather than how many times you bend over a little too far while dropping off a tray full of buffalo wings. You are angry about it because you know I'm right. I happen to agree with you that a woman's body is beatiful and worthy of celebration. I just don't want Bubba Pervy and his nasty brother Todd to be the ones celebrating about it. "

Is this topic getting old? wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:16 PM:
" Maybe this topic is getting old, but it does serve a useful purpose. I appreciate a break from the relentless media reports on Britney Spears' latest bizzare behavior in public, Paris Hilton's attempts at trying to re-create her public image, Rosie O'Donnell's latest outburst to get free publicity, the racist comments about Obama, the national debate on whether Hillary Clinton is or isn't a monster, etc. I couldn't care less if the Hooters in Bismarck succeeds or fails. My personal opinion is that the public will tire of all the attention that Hooters has been getting, and the poor economic conditions in the Bismarck-Mandan area will force Hooters out of business. "

Sign of what? wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:14 PM:
" Can't be any worse for Bismarck than the WSI scandal. "

Mindy wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:35 PM:
" To Food and Appearance:

Amen...you said exactly what I have been trying to say, but in better words. Very well said. "

Dakota wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:16 PM:
" At least at Hooters I know i wont be seeing butt crack from the waitresses, like i see at the malls and grocery stores and every other public place.
If you got, it flaunt it, but it dosent mean the crack girls, its nasty when a guys trying to eat. Mothers, put your feet down! "

Food and appearanc wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:07 PM:
" First and foremost, I would like to comment that appearance is such an important part of social acceptance, that's just a fact of life and society. That is why such highly public jobs demand stricter guidelines when it comes to appearance. It's the reason bankers wear three piece suits, and politicians. Their appearance has an impact on the public's perception of them or their business, and ultimately their success depends on it. Hooters girls are going to be attractive, it's good for their business. Honestly, I can't think of any restaraunt in this area that has extremely unattractive and overweight people working for them. There is a place for people like this and jobs for them, they are good human beings. But typically, it's just not in the public eye. If you were interviewing for a part in a rock band, it would probably be OK to show up pierced and tattooed, but not for a Mortgage loan position at a bank. All businesses have a right to chose the image and appearnce they want their employees to have and ultimately have on the customer. OK, off my soap box. "

yum yum wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:57 PM:
" burgers, booze, wings, sports, and attractive women can't go wrong with that combo. "

Mindy wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:52 PM:
" LOL are you KIDDING me???? I know full well what suffrage is. I am a college educated young woman. By you guys pushing things like this out of town YOU are the ones that are trying to live back in that era. Women are strong and independant and if they choose to work there then who are you to tell them that they can't? Not everyone looks at it a degrading to them. I look at is as tho a womans body is beautiful and if she wants to show it off than more power to her! I don't discriminate against anyone, much less the women that will enjoy working here or anywhere else. You need to wake up and live in the current century. Thank you Diggs...at least someone has a mind in here. The whole thing is plain and simple....IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T GO THERE!! Stop trying to control what everyone else has the option to do. Also, like I stated earlier, don't go to the rover, mall, or even look out of your windows this summer....women will be "degrading" themselves like crazy and you might start to seizure at the sight. "

JustMe wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:48 PM:
" Personally, it is good we finally get something different in this town. It will be here for a few months, and then all the hype will wear off of it. to the person who made the comment that they should not build this and put in a casino where the radisson is, take your own advice and go move to a reservation, I hear they have casinos there. And to the rest of you complaining that hooters doesn't have enough clothes, gice the bird on their sign a turtle-neck, let them put the sign up like all the other businesses in the area, and enjoy what the establishment has to offer. "

Dreamer wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:44 PM:
" Mom, if a guy wants to be a server so bad - and go apply at another restaurant. Big flippin deal. Whah whah whah. Geez. Grow up. I think you are the one with the closed mind. "

SO-sick-of-this-topic wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:33 PM:
" To Penelope, because people like you will apparently read my post and comment on them. "

Point to Ponder wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:30 PM:
" Who cares about Hooter's. When is a Thai restaurant going to open in Bismarck? For crying out loud, Dickinson has one. or how about an Indian restaurant? Japanese? Greek? Really, do we need another burger and Bud Light place? "

Mom wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:22 PM:
" I totally agree with you AEB. As for Mindy: what do you think the Equal Opportunity Act applies to? Don't you think that the men working at Hooters who want to be servers so they can actually earn some tip money should be given the chance? The only way sex is ever a legal discrimination in the workforce is when the candidate can not perform the job duties...in this case serving food, which I'm sure the males are capable of doing. But Mindy, I can see your mind is closed and you can't wait to get to Hooters. I guess I shouldn't discriminate against women that like that sort of thing either. Read that book AEB mentioned. "

AEB wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:58 AM:
" To Mindy: Apparently you equate the terms "suffrage" and "suffering". They are not related. Women's suffrage was the movement that lead to women having the right to vote. It is truly appalling, as a young woman, to think that there are women out there who want to be degraded at work, but if that is true, then don't think of it as degradation that is personal to that woman, but rather as degradation of women generally. If you are interested in educating yourself on why this is true, I would recommend reading the book Female Chauvenist Pig. "

Diggs wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:19 AM:
" Good Comments Mindy -- Personally all of you anti-Hooters should pack it up and move...to let's say....Carrington, problem solved. No Hooter's, Bucks, etc.
You don't like the place -- don't enter the doors. The servers working there need a job like anyone else. I take it you are jealous because you're not confident in yourself and your physical appearance. Oh by the way the next time you go to a school check out what the girls wear there -- it's unbelievable, definitely no modesty there.
"

Penelope wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:03 AM:
" To: SO-sick-of-this-topic

If your so sick of this topic then why do you read and comment on it? "

CBLF wrote on Mar 14, 2008 10:23 AM:
" First a Hooters then an Emperors Club...when will this ever stop. :) "

Mindy wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:47 AM:
" Have any of you guys seen the waitresses at Bucks?? We better run them out of town too. No one is forcing women to work there...so how is it sufferage? It is not degrading to the women that work there because they WANT to work there! ND is very behind the times when it comes to things like this. The majority of the population is older citizens that have no open mind about anything. We better ban hanging out on the river int he summer too....perhaps someone might see a girl in a bikini and that would be degrading! "

AEB wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:31 AM:
" If you think that Bismarck is "behind the times", then it makes perfect sense that what the city really needs is a Hooters. It is a really progressive restaurant...turns back the clock to just a little bit before womens suffrage. I am all for being progressive, but encouraging people to continue to see women as objects to be degraded is not the way to progress. "

Was381 wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:21 AM:
" they should be focusing on more important things like they do out here in minnesota and raise taxes. "

SO-sick-of-this-topic wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:05 AM:
" For everyone who is so pro Hooters, and who complain about Bismarck being so behind the times and the city being so stupid about a sign, and for those who complain that it "sucks" here so bad, why are you still living here? If you think Bismarck is so behind the times, and ND "sucks" why not just move away to "greener pastures"? Don't they say that "happy cows" come from California? Maybe that's why. Maybe if you are all so obsessed with "breasts" maybe that's the place to move. Personally, I don't think we need another restaurant in Bismarck, but whatever...I'd rather see a hotel/casino right where the Radisson is, and YES a restaurant slash buffet!! THAT'S where I would hang out!! "

Mindy wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:36 AM:
" Mom - I'm sure there have been many people at many jobs that "thought they were qualified but were denied employment" Does that mean that every employer is discriminating? We should just sue them all! Last time I checked a place of employment was allowed to interview people and offer the ones jobs that best fit their job. I am overweight and it doesn't bother me any that I most likely wouldn't be hired there becaue I would never apply to work there!! I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing form fitting clothes....therefore I wouldn't. Either way, males are hired there too, just usually as cooks and things, not servers. Big deal. Get over it. You have too little going on in your life if you have to go to such lengths as trying to stop other people from having a restaurant they want. If you don't like Hooters and its policies, then don't go there. Why try and ruin it for everyone else that DOES????? "

HBIC wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:19 AM:
" I think that the slogan for Hooters pretty much sums it up: Delightfully Tacky, Yet Unrefined.

I think this blog has seen better days and I think its time to wrap it up. "

Just Me wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:45 AM:
" it is time to clean house at city hall - and get people who think! "

abc wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:08 PM:
" It is stories like this that I find so discouraging about Bismarck. The city is no better or worse because of a Hooters restaurant and sign. We residents sometimes are so ignorant. "

thinking wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:50 PM:
" Let me think about this we want Bismarck/Mandan to grow but yet some of the commisioners try to road block the new business. How does this look to any type of business that is considering coming to bismarck in the future? Where were these people when Dickheads bar was open? This is a DISGRACE to Bismarck and it's citizens that such nonsense makes the news. Hats off to the two commissioners that have a clue. To the other three move on the majority of the people are speaking let them be heard!!!! "

ProudDemon wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:20 PM:
" What I don't understand about the sign thing is....THE PLACE WILL STILL EXIST IF IT HAS A SIGN OR NOT!!!! Why doesn't the commission want that sign up? MY assumption is that they don't want the "sexually explicit" owl out in open. Have they looked in a magazine, surfed on the internet, gone shopping at the mall, or even walked out in public??? There are sexually suggestive things every where!!! Not putting up a Hooters sign won't shield people from these things. The commission needs to grow up and pick their battles. "

g6g wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:38 PM:
" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337669,00.html
"

Leondard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:34 PM:
" I sent my kids to private, Christian school. I go to church every Sunday. Every Wednesday during lent. I also go to BWW with my wife and last weekend, my kids. Why? because I like the atmosphere and enjoy the food. Did I or my son oogle the girls in their shorts and t-shirts No! We spoke nicely with the wait staff and enjoyed our meal while enjoying the variety of sports being shown on the TV. Will I take my wife and kids to Hooters? You betcha-especially if the food is good. Does that make me a bad parent or a bad Christian? I don't think so. NO, in fact I know so. Bismarck City Commission-play fair. What's good for one is good for the next. Quit being the unnecessary morality police. "

ryanm424 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Just imagine: Hooters opens for business, a WSI employee wearing a fighting sioux jersey gets frightened by a feral cat out in the parking lot, runs inside, gets distracted by a stuffed mountain lion on the wall, then trips over a bunched rug and sues the place.

I think this comment section would crash in about 1 hour. "

dante wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:17 PM:
" i would suggest forming an angry mob, to march on the HOOTERS site, with pitchforks, torches, etc... but, the last time i tried, before i got enough people, pitchforks(new ones cost $40!), torch fuel(expensive!), we ran out of money and by that time were no longer drunk...plus, nobody saves their small dead animals or rotted fruits and vegatables anymore, like in the days when people were lead to the gallows or put in the public stocks. they made good ammo!.. it looked so simple in the old frankenstein movies. "

Mom wrote on Mar 13, 2008 5:30 PM:
" Mindy, my point was that we have equal employment opportunity laws in our country that should be followed. Not hiring someone due to their race, age, religion, or sex is illegal. If someone has a disability so that they are unable to do the job, that is an exemption to the EEO laws. However, my point is that being homely or flat chested is not considered a disability so those applicants should not be unfairly denied the chance to work. The lawsuit I referred to was introduced by a variety of people who were denied the opportunity to work because of various physical traits, and a good majority were men . Perhaps some were women who felt they looked good but were denied the opportunity to work there. "

Mozzer wrote on Mar 13, 2008 5:08 PM:
" Soldiers are dying everyday in Iraq and the rednecks in Bismarck are worried about a Hooters restaurant. WOW!!! "

Mindy wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:50 PM:
" To Mom:
You're talking about law suits for discrimination and such....Hooters has a "uniform" just like any other place of employment does. They can tell you how to dress so that everyone matches. If you are going to put in an application to work there, then you should know how you have to dress. I can't imagine anyone that wasn't comfortable with their body even applying knowing that they have to wear that particular uniform. Chances are, they wouldn't have overwhelming applications from obese women who wouldn't be comfortable wearing those clothes, so what are you all worried about?? Get over it already! "

To Mom, from some guy wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:49 PM:
" When you say "sex-based," it is because they're hiring based on sexiness, or is it "sex-based" because they only hire girls?

Because I definitely want to see dudes in short-shorts and a Hooters tank-top, so GREAT EXAMPLE!

Yum yum yummy! "

Mindy wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:45 PM:
" This just outrages me. Everyone complains about how no one will move to this state...WAKE UP!! Things likethis are exactly why. We don't have much to do here and when we try to get something new, the prudes fight it, then go around complaining because we can't get any of the younger generation to move back here after colege. What is wrong with you people that are against these things??? If you don't like it, then don't go there! It is simple! No one will force you to go to Hooters, I promise. Some people would enjoy that, so who are you to tell them they can't do what they want just because you wouldn't do it. May as well move to a different place where there can be Hooters, strip clubs, or any other places that can make money and boost the economy for EVERYONE. I don't understand at all. If you aren't going to support anything that would bring more money and people into the comunity, then don't sit around complaining that no one moves back here. Get real people. "

ryanm424 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:43 PM:
" Bismarck residents: THIS IS NOT THE APOCALYPSE! Hooters is not the black horse of death. It is safe to move about the streets again. "

Dumb North Dakotan wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:04 PM:
" Mom:

Discrimination huh. Wow, you think Hooters only does that? I don't recall seeing any fat cheerleaders, fat shot girls at Bucks (and they wear their shirt as far up as it can go without a boob popping out), fat girls at BWW. I never even had fat lifeguards at my swimming pool.

Now you can say either they discriminate or only certain types of people work there because they know what the dress code is. I said this before, but even the HS and college girls who play volleyball wear spandex shorts. It’s a tank top and shorts. I can go to the mall and tell you which girls are wearing thongs and what color.

I thought the first rule of any job is to research the company/position. If you don't like it you don't work there. The same thing applies to people who go to these companies. If they don't like it then don't go there. If no one goes then it goes out of business. Isn't this what capitalism is all about? "

Mom of 2 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 3:53 PM:
" to mom, I can't name the names because I would loose my job and the tribune wouldn't be able to print it anyways without solid proof....all that I am saying is they are out there and THAT IS A FACT!! Just because you know of this one to back you up it makes it feel like it worth your while to find all of the bad in them. Get a clue!!! Sounds like you are the type that would be the first to file a lawsuit if a child of yours didn't get a job due to being "not up to standards". I do believe they wouldn't tell the child they are UGLY either, they would probably say they are not qualified. Believe me if a person doesn't fit the bill to be wearing the hooters attire for one reason or another my thought is they are just trying to save the rest of us from having to see it. Because there are alot of people walking around trying to flaunt something skimpy in a body that they "don't" have!!

"

Mom wrote on Mar 13, 2008 3:26 PM:
" to Mom of 2: OK, why don't you name me another restaurant that has had a lawsuit of that magnitude against it for that reason. Just because there may be other chains out there doesn't mean their practices are legitimate. Back up your statement with some facts. You say you wouldn't care if your daughters would apply there some day? How would you feel if they didn't get the job because they were too UGLY??? I believe I'll go crawl back under my rock now.... "

Dirty wrote on Mar 13, 2008 3:24 PM:
" This whole situation makes me laugh. Here's a list of places in Bismarck where you will see women wearing a lot less than a waitress at HOOTERS:

Anywhere on or along the Missouri River
Any other body of water for that matter
Any other bar or restaurant
Any middleschool, highschool, or college
Any church on Sunday or *gasp*...especially a wedding
Any given day at the mall
Anywhere in town walking on the street on a nice sunny day
Any gym or fitness center
Any sporting event
Any form of media
Any grocery store
And the list goes on and on and on and on...

To you men and women cowering in the corner in fear of someone you know going to Hooters or working at Hooters, get a clue! The girls wear tank tops and shorts. If you think you need to protect people from that kind of wardrobe you better poke their eyes out and lock them in a closet. Some people are just looking for a reason to complain I guess. "scared my husband will go there..." HA! If you're nervous about him going to HOOTERS you've got bigger problems!!! "

Mom of 2 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:54 PM:
" to mom, tell some of the bigger named corporations that haven't had discrimination lawsuits against them? You see that all over not just because the name of the employer is HOOTERS!! Crawl back under your rock. "

Mom of 2 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:51 PM:
" I agree with the arguement from Hooters that why all the other businesses haven't had to go through the same rig-a-ma-role because ALOT of those businesses are fairly new to that area, atleast in the past couple of years, and none of them had these same problems. Hhmm...
By the way, I love hooters and their food, beer, etc and anyone offended by the atmosphere is all of the less people that I have to fight or wait in line to get to eat there when it finally opens. Also to those goodie two shoes that don't care for this type of a place I certainly hope that you lock yourselves inside of your houses ALL summer long and heaven forbid that you should go to the rivers, malls, or even turn on your television set because you see alot LESS on these woman that you EVER will at hooters. I have 2 daughters and wouldn't care if either one of them when they become of age were to apply at hooters.

"

mom wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:28 PM:
" Did you know that Hooters had a class action lawsuit against them for sex-based employment discrimination? They knew they were in the wrong so they settled out of court for $10 million. Yet they still continue to use discrimination in their hiring practices. Obviously there food is overpriced and they don't really care what the government regulations say. "

haze wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:58 PM:
" Typical Bismarck leaders for ya. Approve the signs for some - not others - all depends on WHO YOU ARE in this town. So much corruption to go along with the backwards bible-bangers.

The city should clean house like WSI is. "

2th Dr. wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:50 PM:
" as long as my wings come with a smile & a little cleavage, I ain't gonna complain!! THAT waitress will get my tips! "

VoR wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:50 PM:
" It's lucky for us that we're in the middle of a fairly hot political season. If the late night comics noticed this little gem they'd make us into a total laughing stock. Let em have the sign. Jeeez "

MM wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:11 PM:
" WOW lets close all the pools and protest stores that sell swimsuits. I go to church and the girls there do not always cover that much either. I would love to see the city get sued over this, and the commissioners have to work a day at Hooters.Lets let the sign go up and show other businesses that we are a friendly community. "

to Arvid wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:49 PM:
" OK, because they have enjoyed such modest success in the past... wow are you really that ignorant?? "

Tim from Bismarck wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:48 PM:
" Heaven forbid that Schwab,Tabor or Jennsen take a walk through Kirkwood. They have stores that have women's underware on public display!!!!! {can't say lingerie---that term is to racy for this bunch}. "

Pete wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:00 PM:
" It is time to change the signage in Bismarck. Now is as good as any other time.
The owners of Hooters should have asked questions before the started building instead of assuming. "

Deb wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:46 AM:
" Mike R is spot on - this is more about the fact that it's a Hooter's sign than it is about an easement or a signage policy. The fact that a comprehensive signage policy doesn't exist isn't a reason to put off a business from following its plan. This is par for the course for Tabor. "Why keep doing what we are doing when we can spend $40,000 on a study to tell us that we doing the right thing?"

How embarrassing for Bismarck. Thanks to Connie & the Mayor for being the voice of reason. Can't wait to eat some wings & enjoy the beach themed restaurant!! "

Once upon a time... wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:43 AM:
" Once upon a time, I thought Hooters was the edgiest thing ever and I couldn't wait to go there because I was sure I was going to see supermodels with bouncing, beautiful breatesses as far as the eye could see.

Then I turned 13.

Not only that, once I actually went there, I realized that the girls working there had full shirts on and most couldn't even fill them out properly. Obviously the people hiring these girls was not discriminating enough, because I would say the average cup size was A-low B, and the fugly-o-meter was off the charts.

What kind of crap is that?!

If anything, we should be mad at Hooters not for promoting debauchery, but for falsely advertising hot juggies in bikinis.

Conclusion: not one single person complaining about this subject has actually ever stepped foot in a Hooters restaurant. Case closed. "

Arvid wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:38 AM:
" Who cares! The food sucks at Hooters anyway. Give them their stupid sign and they will be out of business in 2 years anyway. "

Ralph...huh? wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:05 AM:
" What exactly does your comment have to do with the story??? It sounds like you got a case o' sour grapes, my friend! "

Ralph wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:31 AM:
" I challenge all of you to find a 10 acre chunk of land anyplace near bismarck to put up a commercial building.. Without buying 40 acres to go with it.. nice 5 to 10 acre lot for a business to build.. "

Tommy wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:28 AM:
" they cant buy this kind of advertising.. my lord let them put up the sign.. they even say that if the city damages the sign when working on a water main that they will accept full responsibility for it.. how many towns in the Us do they deal with on a regular basis.. No wonder the entire country is always laughing at us.. Warford is the only one with a brain on that whole commission I think.. "

Get Off Your High Horse! wrote on Mar 13, 2008 10:23 AM:
" Bismarck is growing - that is something that the local "Religious Right Fanatics" will need to accept. There will be other enterprises and businesses similar to "Hooters" that will want to establish a business in Bismarck, not to mention certain individuals, that will raise the ire of all the "Religious Right Zealots." Any larger metropolitan area has a plethora of entities that cannot be accepted by the "Religious Right" people, but so be it. "There is nothing so permanent as change." The world keeps turning! Time to accept the inevitable. . . . .

"

Mike R wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:52 AM:
" For those of you who say its about the sign and not about trying to get rid of Hooters: The story was about the sign, but you need to read between the lines. Hooters is asking for the same kind of easement waiver that has been granted by the exact same commission many times before. Why approve everyone elses and not Hooters? There was a big uproar when the rumor of Hooters coming to Bismarck first surfaced - like the resturant was the signal of the death of the morality taliban in Bismarck ND. Now that they are here, the commission is denying things for them that routinely get approved for everyone else. You can't tell me that you can't see the connection here. "

Justin wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:37 AM:
" To: sickofthehooterthing

Not everyone is going to know if their significant other is cheating on them. Are you being cheated on? And if your sick of the hooter thing, why do you read this story and feel the need to comment? HMMMMMM "

NYxND wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:28 AM:
" Wait, is this story about the fact that Hooters isn't allowed to put up it's sign where it wants to because of a water main? Is it about the (lack of) zoning in North Bis on 83? I wish that was what it was about. Just thinking about the lack of any ordinance and the weed-like signage gives me a headache. It is criminally unattractive. Or is there anything other than speculation that members of the commission are making decisions influenced by some flawed moral beliefs or personal disapproval? I say flawed because anyone in Bismarck who feels that having a Hooters in town is going to seriously threaten the moral fabric of the community needs to re-evaluate what the real threats are. It is not "scantily clad" waitresses you should fear. Hopefully you "adults" who will patronize Hooters can control yourselves. What's really scary is that your children are being lured in and their bodies poisoned by a creepy clown and cheap food. How many McDonalds are there in Bismarck now? Let's talk about the growing problem of childhood obesity and nutrition... "

here we go again wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:15 AM:
" Wow, after reading some of the comments, I had to go back and read the article. It doesn't say anything about the city of Bismarck having a problem with Hooters. The problem was with where Hooters wanted to put the sign. My complaint is why does the city say something is ok, then turn around and say, "yes we approved it for others but we probably shouldn't have." Can't we find leaders who can make a decision and stick with it? Remember, this is the same city that allows housing developments, and then thinks that, gee, maybe we should build good streets out to those new houses. This is backwards thinking. And then they comment on Hooters needing to come to the city sooner rather than later. The question is - does it affect the water main? If not, let them put it up. Let's just cut down on the number of flashing business signs in town. It is distracting and ugly and is not what visitors need to see when they come in to town from the north. "

TB wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:07 AM:
" What is with this commission! IT IS A SIGN! Every body says no not a place with girls with very little clothes on. Come on people WAKE UP! Who about the short shorts at Buffalo Wild Wings. The Wizards dancers. The river every summer or the local pools, swim suits getting smaller every year. This town wants to keep going backwards, soon we'll catch up with mandan. I'll bet you 10 to 1 that once Hooters opens, you will see all the people that were compaining eating there! GUESS WHAT THE FOOD IS GOOD!!! "

Slim wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:52 AM:
" WSI justed canned three people. Maybe Jensen, Tabor, and Schwab could take the place of those people and spread their "goody goody" views around that place. You all have a nice day. "

Dm wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:30 AM:
" I just don't get how some people are so.. well Un intested in having a Hooters. I personaly think that a Hooters is ok. I mean like it's not going to make a difference in North Dakota. Like people are already/have been saying "North Dakota?" " Where's that?" i mean its not going to do anything. So i say why not have a Hooters.

Another RESTURANT
and good food.
and woman. "

Bashful wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:17 AM:
" Gee I hope they have a drive up so the commission can get-in on some of those wings. Me too of course. "

double standard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:48 AM:
" Whether I agree or disagree with the theme of this estblishment, the bottom line is the city commission is performing a double-standard. As an elected official you must put aside personal preferences; remember you were elected to represent the public.

The discouraging thing for me is that I'm involved with a group trying to bring-in a franchise and trust me, politics as such do NOT help the cause. Thanks Commissioniers...This is just Perfect timing (not so much) for this resident.

"

Bismarck is boring wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:05 AM:
" Any cool place that want's to move to Bismarck has to worry about boring, lame, and people that do not like to have a good time. Bismarck needs to have some new culture and move forward. If people want to complain about new businesses that want to move to town then get them out of town. Lets grow this town and not move backwards. I am going to enjoy a beer at Hooters. Can't wait "

WHATEVER wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:15 AM:
" wow - now that we all know that Hooters is coming to bismarck/mandan....we most certainly all know where it is being built at, so why the discussion over the darn sign? they don't even need a sign with as much FREE ADVERTISING that the city commissioners have been doing for them....... Get over it and grow up Bismarck.......... "

Mike R wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:38 PM:
" I am not sure if I should laugh or cry about the stupidity involved here. I know for sure that I will hang my head in shame - ashamed to be from such a backwards state at this. The morality police in ND are doing exactly what the Taliban did. They fought to keep the cohabitation law on the books even though it has never been enforced and was the laughing stock of the nation. They have been closing down bars that have dancing girls left and right. They have tried to close down the "book stores". I do not go to bars with exotic dancers or to the "book stores" but that is my choice. What ever happened to "if you don't like it, don't go" attitude? Since when should it be my place to tell anyone else what they can or can't do? Since when is it up to the City of Bismarck to harrass a business place just because they don't like the morality? "

nodakman wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:15 PM:
" This is the most ridiculous thing this City commission has done in years, I wonder if they realize how stupid they appear. Or at least a few of them. "

Business man wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:20 PM:
" I think it is time for new city counsel and start letting the city people tell us where all out tax money is going. We spend way to much money on non needed eq.
"

Cartoonist wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:48 PM:
" I get a kick out of how many people are upset that Hooters has come to town. I think we have more important thing to worry about! Check out my “Hooters” cartoon.

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/blog/entry.php?w=cartoonist&e_id=3725
"

kenny wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:19 PM:
" Yeah that owl with the weird eyes is sooooooooooooooooooooo offensive.
Forget about the economy we got a real emergency on our hands HOOTERS. How lame. "

eastward wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:19 PM:
" LOVE HOOTERS....NOT BISMARCK. FREE PUBLICITY, THANKS CITY COMMISSION...I WILL MAKE A SPECIAL TRIP TO BIS WHEN HOOTERS OPENS TO GREET ALL HATERS. WHAT IS THE OPENING DAY? MAKE IT A SUNDAY, THAT WOULD BE SWEET. THAT WAY I CAN EAT WINGS, WATCH NASCAR, & WAVE TO ALL THE BIBLE BANGERS ON THEIR WAY TO THE GOLDEN CORRAL & STEAK BUFFET. THAT'S WHERE YOU GET "THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK" AFTER BANGING THE GOOD BOOK. "

WMiller wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:41 PM:
" I agree with the one guy. They should have built it in Mandan. Bismarck always tries to get businesses come in, but when they show up, LETS SHUT EM DOWN! That is how alot of the Bismarck FOLKS act, actually alot of NDs residents act. Bismarck is by far the worst. My suggestion is, if ya dont like it, stay the H E double hockey sticks out of the place. Complain about it over your Perkins coffee in the morning! "

cmon now wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:25 PM:
" This is exactly why people don't think North Dakota has running water and still ride in horse drawn carriages!! GET OVER IT city of Bismarck and i'm sure there are more important things to worry about than a sign with an owl on it! "

sickofthehooterthing wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:15 PM:
" To female for Hooters, come to think of it, how do you know that your boyfriend isn't cheating on you; after all you brought it up. Whose to say your boyfriend will want you with him either. Those opposed to Hooters need to get over it, those for Hooters need to get over themselves! This issue has been talked to death; I'm really to bury it. "

Hmm wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:10 PM:
" I do agree that Bismarck does need some new laws dealing with sigsn, but they also have to realize that if Hooters is willing to sign a waiver that just shows that they are willing to work with the city. Plus even if they don't people will still see it's nice bright orange roof!!!!!!! Can't wait til it opens...I love the wings there! "

what ever wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:48 PM:
" I cant believe the things that people complain about anything get over it is right its business it s not like ther is naked women in ther. JEez la Weez "

**It Happens** wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:45 PM:
" Wow some of these comments are certainly entertaining. If you can't drive down the street without being distracted by signs you have some MAJOR issues and probably shouldn't even be driving. For those crying about Hooters CHOOSING there employees, Whatever, get over it, its a theme.if you dont like it stay away. The rest of us are adults and we DONT NEED the morality police trying to protect us. GESH get over yourselves already. This is about the city NOT approving a sign for THIS SPECIFIC business when they HAVE approved it for some many before. Its all about them doing whatever they can to have a negative impact on this business but failing to realize that everytime they do something dumb like this they are actually giving Hooters all of the free publicity they could ever want while making themselves look the fools. APPROVE THE SIGN, and move on already gesh! "

HOOTER FAN wrote on Mar 12, 2008 5:44 PM:
" I'm a church going Catholic, I have 3 daughters, and I LOVE HOOTERS!!!!!! If Bismarck wants to be considered a "big time city" then get over it and leave HOOTERS alone! My god people, the sign is not degrading to anyone...it' an owl!!! If you don't want to go into the restaurant, then don't, but don't deprive me of my WINGS, by the way, THE WINGS ARE GREAT!!! "

JP wrote on Mar 12, 2008 5:37 PM:
" As long as the city has no established sign policy they have to go on past prescedence... which means Hooters should get the sign as other businesses have in the area. Hooters can take them to court and have a strong case to win. We, as taxpayers, get to pay for the city to try and defend the decision of the city commission. This isn't just a poor, discriminatory decision made by the commission, but is also very fiscally irresponsible. We will pay for this long after these commissioners and there strong "moral stance" have left office. "

Dreamer wrote on Mar 12, 2008 5:20 PM:
" Mom, its a good thing there are so many other restaurants with different themes she can apply to. "

Court Time wrote on Mar 12, 2008 5:06 PM:
" Take them to COURT HOOTERS (OWLS). Great publicity they are getting and the city will pay for it. Way to go HOOTERS and see when they open. Big fan of the restraunt "

notnek wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:40 PM:
" Attractive human beings, serving excellent food in a clean pleasant atmosphere. What wrong with this picture?? Officials not wanting to appear that they might not have a problem with the sight of an attractive human being,, it man or woman. Come on,,, every one take a deep breath ,,and say it . Sex ,,, and sex appeal was not invented by this generation. This business and the employees are not engaged in any illegal activity. Life just gets nutter every day. This is a great example of public officials protecting there jobs rather than deal with reality and fairness. "

Racist Biker wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:38 PM:
" Ok, I was going to try to stay out of this but I can't any longer. to MOM: Quick question what rock have you been hiding under that you think the size of your daughters chest won't affect her chances of getting a job? Not to mention how much she makes in tips if she gets a serving job. As far as the sign... the city sure did open itself up with that. Hooter's is willing to sign a damage waiver and they still won't allow it? Come on! You know that Applebee's, Wendy's, and the rest never did anything like that. Can you spell 'lawsuit'? I agree the city has to start to enforcing some sort of sign-age law on State but starting with Hooter's, why are they starting with them, and now? My other grip, why is it articles like these only make headlines when the weather is nice? Last summer it was vehicle noise and hooters and this year it is still hooters and who knows what next... OH, that's right because all the old people leave in the winter. I'm going to stop there before the editor rejects my post. "

Mike wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:10 PM:
" To sit here today and read all these ridiculous stories of how Hooters is this worst thing to happen in Bismarck since it became a city is both exciting and disappointing to me. I am sure that these city commissioners, none of whom have ever been inside a Hooters resturaunt, are looking out for the best interests of the PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS, THE VOTERS THAT ELECTED THEM!? Why should I be forced to see a sign that advertises the word HOOTERS? The answer is, because I live in America! It is called free enterprise! Something that I have defended this Counrty, and State for, for nearly 20 years! I think that there and plenty of things the Mayor and city commission could be focusing on, other than Hooters, like maybe some of the enormous pot holes that I am going to drive through the day that Hooters opens, so I can get my wife some of their wings she so dearly enjoys! All I want is to be a voice heard not spoken to by an elected official who "thinks" they know what is right for this Great City of Bismarck! "

No wonder... wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:55 PM:
" No wonder people don't want to come to ND. Everyone is so close minded. My husband and I make it a point to go to Hooters in Fargo everytime we are there (with our son mindyou) because we enjoy the food. I don't care what people there, as others have mentioned go to the mall, to other restraunts, or walk down the street, you will see just as much or more skin in people (especially teens!)

Open your eyes people, no wonder people are leaving, or not wanting to move here at all!! "

Get with the times wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:44 PM:
" Like the CEO from the Winnipeg Motel chain said, Bismarck has a western style theme here. They dont even know if they want to put up a new Motel here. Then you wonder why young adults keep leaving after colledge. Bismarck commisioners need to get out of the old German life style and get on with the new. You wonder why Fargo is so far advanced then Bismarck, they have commisioners that are interested in Growth not horse and buggy days. I am a German but am willing too change for the future. I wish Hooters would take the city too court. They would win the case and then we could back charge our Commisioners for the cost. "

Dumb North Dakotan wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:43 PM:
" Haha the commission makes me laugh. They keep giving Hooters free publicity every step of the way. Even my family back in NE MT has heard about this now.

I just ate at Applebee’s last night. The Hooters bus out front will work better than any sign. Instead of those churchgoers seeing a sign and a building they will have to see the chicks on the side of the bus. Then they will have to pray and ask for forgiveness.

If you don't like Hooters don't go to a HS or college volleyball game. Those chicks wear spandex shorts. Avert your eyes you old men! Or go down to the desert and ban all of those bikinis. We can't have that here. Now I'm off to go become a priest. You know because you can trust them with your little precious alter boys. "

Hooters Rules wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:40 PM:
" I can't wait to see some owls and have some drinks. Bismarck will always be behind in the times and if people complain about this restraunt I feel sorry for them because that's all they have to look forward to is complaining about something. Take them to court Hooters - you will not lose. "

Mom wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:18 PM:
" I realize that the whole issue is about the sign placement. I agree that they should be able to place the sign (as I understand it , it would be on their property) if others have gotten to do so in the past. Reading over these blogs however, I'm surprised at people who seem to think that having a Hooters is somehow progress. I look at that type of establishment as being backwards. I would think that in this day and age when my daughter goes to apply for a serving job she shouldn't have to worry about the size of her chest affecting her chances of getting it!! I'm not a bit concerned about my husband (as some bloggers suggest is an issue) I just don't think it's right to use private body parts on women as an advertising tool. It's degrading. "

From the North wrote on Mar 12, 2008 3:12 PM:
" This issue is between the City of Bismarck and the owners of Hooters. It should have never been in the paper and it is none of our business where the this or any other business sign goes. As the people of Bismarck we need to mind our own business and quit being such busy bodies. "

VEGAS wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:54 PM:
" Hooters is a dying brand, terrible food, and overpriced beer. Hooters Hotel & Casino here in Vegas is about to go bankrupt, losing the logo and hopefully branding into a better concept. "

to Hooters wrote on Mar 12, 2008 2:46 PM:
" You should have built in Mandan...of course not on Main, you would get a lot of greif doing that, but there is plenty of space closer to the interstate than you current location and unlike Bismarck, people from Mandan would appreciate a business that will bring people in to our town. "

Al Gee wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:32 PM:
" I'm just glad our softball team is sponsored by Hooters. It will give me one more reason to support this local establishment "

Steve wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:21 PM:
" I can not wait to get out of this uptight state. Have some fun people. Quit worrying about a sign. Seriously, life is to short to be worried about a sign that says "Hooters." Wow! "

Azhrei wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:19 PM:
" As a long time former employee of one of Bismarck's Downtown Drinking establishments.....I can guarantee you one thing. I have seen way more skin and lewd acts in my former workplace, then I have ever seen in a Hooters' restaurant....which is what it is....a restaurant. It is required to maintain a level of dress because it serves food. If it did not maintain that level, it would not receive a license.....WAKE UP BISMARCK....time to take a step into the new century now that it is 2008 and not 1958. "

Tim from Bismarck wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Hooters, park your bus in front of city hall at the next city commish. meeting and watch the three blind commish's stumble over themselves as they walk by with their hands over their eyes. How hypocritical to use abuse the public trust to mandate their morality to the whole citizenship. "

Footloose wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:51 PM:
" Remember that old show Footloose where it wasn't acceptable to dance. Hmmm... maybe the city commissioners will outlaw dancing too. Seems we are going backward. "

Wes Hightower wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:48 PM:
" After reading these comments I find it odd that so many people would be against a restaraunt that may or may not exploit women (depending on the perspective). If the people who are so concerned about exploitation and the men who may go to this restaraunt and see these young ladies, then move to IRAN. They have a very progressive 21st century policy on this issue. Last time i checked this is still America where freedom is the basis to a society. "

DennisB wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:48 PM:
" To "Bis",
As I understand it, easements can be on private property. I found out while building a garage on my property that I couldn't build closer to my back lot line because the city maintains an easement there for utilities. Without the easement, I could have move it four feet further back. Therefore 1)If the sign is on their property 2) Won't affect the water main (according to city engineers) and 3) Has been allowed in other cases, then Hooters will win their case. The sad part is that the city will now have fees to pay due to the lawsuit.

--Let's start a recall petition for these members or at least vote them out next election. They are obviously out of touch with laws and their constituents. They may disagree with the business, but they have responsibility to uphold the law--despite personal convictions. "

Allen wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Bis,

There is a difference between ownership and an easement.

The article says Hooters wants to put a sign up in the easement. This is not state or federal property. Rather it is private property, likely owned by Hooters, that the city or state has access rights to for construction of the highway and utilities. "

Hooters wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:31 PM:
" Let them put up the sign. The food is great and so is the atmosphere at Hooters. Typical Bismarck, nothing else to complain about except a business sign. Sue the heck out of Bismarck Hooters. "

Simle Mom wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:25 PM:
" Anyone else find it "coincidence" that 6 posters, all from 12:00 to 12:05, have the EXACT same message, AND writing style?? Wow! (check the IP's, OE.....bet they are all one in the same. I'll buy ya a drink if I'm wrong!) "

khe sahn gramdpa wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:24 PM:
" around here some people don't want to be just part of the bible belt,they want to be the buckle. look at the nuts that are elected. they don't fall far from the tree. "

Steve wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:07 PM:
" State Street is awful to drive with all the signs and the busy traffic. I choose to drive other streets if possible. "

Public wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:06 PM:
" Hooters needs to put their sign on their property not public property. "

All MOMS wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:06 PM:
" Thank MOM for your comments. You are so right that the hiring policy of hooters is discriminating.
"

Bis wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:05 PM:
" To Mike, it is not me reading a sign while driving, it is the other drivers reading while trying to drive we have to watch out for. "

Bis wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:04 PM:
" Thanks rules and regs… If is a business wants a sign then build it on your property not public property. "

Driver wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:04 PM:
" Bismarck needs an updated sign ordinance in place ASAP. It is dangerous with all the signs layered throughout the city. "

Story Reader wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:02 PM:
" This article is about a private business wanting to put a private sign on public property. Back to the story. "

Brent wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:01 PM:
" Put the sign on their building.
"

Resident wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:00 PM:
" If we were in Minneapolis then this issue would have never hit the paper. Slow news day in Bismarck again. "

Outside bloggers wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:37 AM:
" I have to say that I am pleased to see all of the support for Hooters related to this recent City Commission meeting. I also wonder where all the anti-Hooters bloggers are? I see only one anti-Hooters post in this entire blog, which is great. It just solidifies my theory that we get outside bloggers that attack these National franchises, political candidates, etc. When the article first hit the Tribune, the blog was huge, I think there were overe 100 posts, and at least 50% of them were against Hooters...remember the 'Adultry starts in the mind' blogs? Like I said, they have organizations that must be just salivating and attacking every new Hooters location, then they move on. It appears they have moved, or if the bloggers are from Bismarck, they realize they were defeated when they drove by State Street and saw that beautiful bus! GO HOOTERS!! "

Joe wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:30 AM:
" I wonder what your husbands have to offer that I don't. What I mean by this is that I've tried to pick up the unattainable waitresses at BWW and various Hooters on more than one occassion and I get shot down left and right...and I'm ridiculously good looking. Please give me some contact information for your husbands so I can hopefully eat at the new Hooters at the same time as them and pick up a few pointers...BWW schedules for these husbands will work as well. Thank you. "

LMAO wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:27 AM:
" and alot of people have the nerve to critcize the SRST on the fighting sioux issue! HAHAHAHAHA "

Scott wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:18 AM:
" I would like to see Hooter's take the city to court, they really deserve it, there is no reason in the world that Hooter's should not be able to put that sign up, we have a couple of commissoners that seem to think they are the morale police for all of us and that is not there function no decision should be made on that basis within goverment. If the commissoners feel they need to be advocates for whatever cause then resign your seat and advocate. "

one person wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:14 AM:
" This issue is about Bismarck’s outdated sign ordinance, poor planning and developers asking permission at the 11th hour. It is not about Hooters.

State Street is an abomination. With its wildly inconsistent building setbacks and structures (i.e. metal Quonsets, big box retailers, storage rental units) and as Mike so eloquently stated below, “signs layered everywhere.” Thank goodness there was at least some landscaping put in place when the road was reconstructed a few years back.

Bismarck’s downtown area also suffers because of the outdated sign ordinance. Obsolete and deteriorating signs are left on buildings for years after businesses close. This combined with inconsistent design standards only weaken efforts to revitalize our central business district.

Bismarck needs an updated sign ordinance in place ASAP.
"

HBIC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:14 AM:
" I really feel bad for the potential employees of Hooters as well. There will probably be protesters and losers who will harass and belittle the girls as they are coming/leaving work. "

Female 4 Hooters wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:06 AM:
" Let Hooters put up their sign for crying out loud. I have been to a Hooters and found the food good and the service was excellent. I would have no problem with my boyfriend dining at Hooters without me, but I know he will want me there with him. For those of you women so opposed to your husbands/boyfriends going to Hooters, you need to grow up because you know something? He's probably already cheating on you. Look around, men can and will meet women where you least expect it. Besides, who says these Hooters women would want your man in the first place?? "

Laura Bergquist wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:04 AM:
" Don: Tabor & Jensen are NOT running again...that was in the news quite some time ago. My hip is finally getting back to normal after dancing a jig on top of my computer desk.

Hooters Girls are real people.....drive up to the bus parked out there--on the back side, are a line of young women--the shortest on the lefthand side is my niece Katie--and AWESOME Mom & the sweetest person!! The Fargo Hooters is thrilled to have her back after she worked the Vegas Hooters & hated Sin City...she realized she needed to be in ND for raising her family.

Now, you naysayers--does that sound like a tramp, trollup, or immoral woman to you?? Before you judge, get to meet some of these Hooters gals. Who knows...some could be your >gasp!< daughters or wives!! "

BB wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:00 AM:
" What is going on here do we really have that many insecure females running around this town, are they scared the Hooters sign will wickedly lure there husbands in there, i say give them there sign and be done with it, it makes us look like a bunch of idiots if we can keep up with Fargo then what is the point of letting big business in, is this really about some people's moral virtues or just plain hate, if it is then you better post signs down bye the River, close down the walking paths, or even my Daughters Jr. High cuz i can tell you it is no better there either. I will be walking into Hooters with my Husband and i will have nothing to worry about and i will not be worrying about a wondering EYE!!!!!!! "

princess wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:57 AM:
" I take it that none of the people on this board will be eating at Hooters. I hope not as I would hate to have to call them hypocrits for not giving the waiver, not wanting to give them a liquore license and then actually giving them their business. Wake up Bismarck it's a restraunt not a strip club. If you don't approve go some place eles to eat or stay home
"

HBIC wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:38 AM:
" What does it matter anyway? They really don't need a sign; everyone knows where it's located anyway. "

LMW wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:32 AM:
" We have an older generation that is and has slowed progress in Bismarck for generations. The sad part of all of this is, we vote for these people to make decisions for us. We vote for their personal views. A Hooter's sign? I mean, come on! This board let Hooter's build in Bismarck, but not put up a sign. I don't even really like the food, but you can't disallow a business to put their sign up. I could see the boards point if the sign had naked women on it. "

87wg wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:26 AM:
" I think we should close down the malls. While we're at it let's close the schools too. Girls and women at both places wear less than at Hooters.

If this is really about a sign, then fine; there are too many garish signs in town. But it sure doesn't seem like it's just about a sign. Someone else said that if this were the Olive Garden they'd get the waiver in a heartbeat.

Frankly, I don't think I'll eat at Hooters anyway; from what I hear the food's on the level of Applebee's or Denny's and I don't care for either place. But I won't make my decision on what the waitresses wear or don't wear. "

To: jamie12 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:19 AM:
" You (and much of Bismarck with you) are way too up tight. You can see more skin walking the streets than you will see inside Hooters. You are right... many husbands will go... I don't care if mine goes, he isn't seeing anything 'nasty'. Parents let their daughters wear less to high school! You and your husband can go else where and my husband and I will go to Hooters and have fun with out the up-tight-likes-of-you.
As for the sign. I believe that the commission has made a choice that sets them up for legal action big time! You can't just pick and choose who you up hold the rules to! Way to go commission. I am not impressed! "

Annoying wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:13 AM:
" Why is this such a big deal on either end??? It's not an offending restaurant - so who cares if they come here? On the other hand. . . Why are there so many posts about being upset about a stupid sign? If Buffalo Wild Wings or Olive Garden were going through the same thing, nobody would write a single post. But it's Hooters, so now it's like "OH MY GOD!! I'M LEAVING THE STATE!!" We have alot of restaurants already and their are HUNDREDS (if not thousdands) of restaurant chains that we DON'T have. Why is it such a big deal if we don't get a Hooters? Or that we don't get to see the Hooters SIGN?? "

Tim from Bismarck wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:10 AM:
" Take them to court Hooters!! "

The owl is a sign of WISDOM!!!! wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:08 AM:
" to Jamie12~ Wow, I really feel sorry for your husband. If you have to worry about him going out to eat and meeting women, then that is really sad. Half of the bismarck/Mandan women wear less clothing then the hooters girls in the summer. Do you worry about him walking outside in the summertime?? If your husband will cheat on you that easily, then I dont know why you married him in the first place!! By the way, it is Husband not husban! "

BabyT wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:56 AM:
" to Bis: No they are not doing their job. They are selectively picking laws and applying them to businesses they do not wish to see succeed, due to their limited perspective. EVERY other business in that area was granted the waiver, so why didn't they enforce the laws and 'do their job' then? "

mom wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:47 AM:
" Ok, so those of you with discrimination on your minds....what about Hooters' hiring policy? Aren't they being discriminating when they don't hire middle age, overweight, or flat chested women? I'm against any business that exploits women's 'hooters'. I think there'd be some out outrage if a restaurant named "Dickers" wanted to start up with men serving in tight spandex swimtrunks. Would you take your daughters there? "

Does it really matter wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:46 AM:
" To jamie 12,why are you so worried about your husband going to hooters?Is your relationship that bad that you cant trust him to go to a restuarant?
I mean really I have seen 11 year olds wearing less clothing than the t-shirt and orange shorts at hooters.Have you been shopping lately?Have you seen the cloths in the childrens aisle?I think that is sick and we as parents should be more worried about what the children are wearing than a place to eat.If you dont like it,dont eat there.Grow up and relize that we are in the 21st century and it is everywhere!Look around and all you see is provocative ads and advertisement.OPEN YOUR EYES!!!! "

Mindy wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:43 AM:
" This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Ar eyou kidding me?? WAKE UP BISMARCK!!! Hooters is not the end of the world, and if it isn't your kind of place then don't go there! It is pathetic that the local churches would "picket". I've seen people go to church in less clothes than that. Does wearing revealing clothes make someone a bad person and a sinner all of a sudden or something?? Not las ttime I checked. Get over it and stop giving them such a hard time. No wondering everyone is leaving this state. "

to jamie12 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:36 AM:
" I think you have more of a problem than your husband going to hooters. If you can't "LET" him go to hooters than maybe there is more of a trust issue and you better not "LET" him go to any bar or restaurant in bismarck. (Or maybe HE'S the one with the problem.) By the way I am a wife who trusts her husband wholeheartedly and he can go and do what he wants. He CHOOSES to be married of free will so he should be able to CHOOSE where he dines. HOOTERS is a great restaurant with great food. It has a fun sporty atmosphere just like BWW. By the way, didn't I just read or hear on the news how Tabor was against Hooters b/cuz of the reputation? Maybe she has a personal agenda and is not working for the majority of the people. We elected her, we can vote her out also.
"

g6g wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:35 AM:
" what a joke! GO Hooters!!!! I will support you and teh ladies! "

To Mike From Dubbles wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:34 AM:
" No one is forcing you to read their signs while you are driving. I drive state street about 10 times at night, yes at night when the signs probably seem brighter, and I have never had a problem whatsoever being distracted by flashing signs. If you get soo distracted by flashing lights that you dont have to look at because they are not on the road, then you dont need to be operating a motor vehicle since you are soo easily distracted. "

rules and regs wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:31 AM:
" Easements are there for a purpose. They should build the sign on their property, not OUR property. I am sure they thought of it before they purchased the land. As a matter of fact all the sign easement waivers that were permited on the street should be revoked. Have you as an individual (tax payer) and not a corporation ever tried to change an easement? Good luck. "

Bis wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:21 AM:
" The Bismarck City Commissioners are doing their job. They will listen to all input but in the end as professionals they will make a decision based on the laws, ordnances, and the best interest of the public. "

rl wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:20 AM:
" The city engineer gave his approval for the sign to be placed in the easement because the company assumed any future liability if maintenance needs to be done that would damage the sign, etc. Would the Commission vote to prevent the sign placement if this were a church? If the Commissioners don't approve of the business coming into Bismarck, why was a building permit approved? "

TK wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:07 AM:
" Take em' to court Hooters - this is ridiculous!!!! "

sr wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:06 AM:
" I don't understand why some women are afraid that their husbands will go into Hooters?? If you can't trust your husband to go in there and eat a meal without trying to pick up a waitress, then you have more problems to start with. Hooters has hired many local contractors and also purchased building materials from the business I work for. The commissioners against this, I feel, are just trying to get the vote from the local churches who have threatened to picket Hooters when they open. And people say Mandan is bad???????? "

Dan wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:03 AM:
" Whats wrong with people in this community.......you had best be careful or the city comission may be looking at discrimination charges...if you do for one, you best be prepared to do for all, its not a good time to be changing standards. You are fighting someone bigger than you are...the building is here...get over it.....

Has anyone commented on the clothes the waitresses wear at Buffalo wild wings.....they are somewhat revealing too.........

If you don't care for the food or the atmosphere t hen don't frequent the business....if you don't like chineese you don't go to a chineese restaurant do you, there are plenty of business' in town we don't frequent for one reason or the other, but we don't make a federal issue out of it.......

Grow up! For those who voted to allow the sign-GREAT JOB....... "

leaving ND wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:55 AM:
" This is ONE reason why I'm leaving the state. "

Oh my gosh wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:46 AM:
" I'm a young, out of towner (from a town smaller than small), and have been watching the "controversy" surrounding the addition of a Hooters in Bismarck. I find it extremely funny that SO many people are being so immature about this. Hooters is not the dirty, perverted place that many of the citizens of Bismarck seem to imagine it to be. People are always wondering why young people leave the area, and eventually the state--partly because of the narrow mindedness of a great many people in this state. If we can't be open minded and have the experiences of the rest of the world, we'll go to where we DO have the opportunity. "

Dreamer wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:43 AM:
" Well, I think they should make the others remove their signs then. This is just flippin stupid. Grow up people. & Guess what, its to late, you already allowed the business to come to Bis so you may as well let them put up the sign. If I were them I'd take it to court. "

what wrong wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:37 AM:
" What is wrong with the city Commissioner? I think its a power trip, I have the power and I am so great. That is the problem with these people, they have the power of who can do what. To say where a sign can go. What the heck is wrong with you people. Grow up!! "

jamie12 wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:32 AM:
" i think it's sicking that we are getting a HOOTERS thats just so friking nasty. i don't want my husban going. and i no for a fact that alot of womans husbans are going to going to that resturant! "

LJ wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:28 AM:
" The city’s action smells a lot like discrimination to me. I hope our forward looking moral’s police/commissioners will not waste any time getting the rest of these signs moved off of the easement. I think they should also ban any two piece swim suit, tight jeans, shorts more than 1 inch above the knee, or cleavage showing tops in the Bismarck city limits. And while they are at it enact a city ordinance that all women over the age of eight wear a bra when in public. "

Precedent wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:28 AM:
" Good Job Warford and Spry. You need to look at the precedent already set. There are other signs in the area; This sign meets the legal guidelines. What is the basis for the denial.

Good bye Tabor and Jensen. "

Kevin wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:27 AM:
" "which is known nationally for using scantily clad female servers"

And have you seen how scantily clad the female servers are in other restaurants/bars around town? Visit BWW sometime and you will see just as much skin as you would at Hooters... Where's the uproar over BWW then? Oh wait, never mind, we value double standards around here... "

alright now. wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:25 AM:
" ok. now. im a woman. and i say that its just a restaurant. its not like a STRIP CULB!
you can even take you children there. i wouldn't say that taking them there is the best thing.. but you can. all it is. is a restaurant with good food. ALMOST every
state has a Hooters. and we.we.we cant have one! and to all people if you dont like it DO NOT GO! its a simple as that. "

Allen wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Seriously?

They need a waiver to put a sign up? Why are they wanting to put it in the easement as opposed to on the building or their parking lot?

It's not like Hooters is going to be a hidden from view.

I wonder why the city commission is denying the request? Is it a given that nobody puts signs up in the easement, or just Hooters? "

Another Dave wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:23 AM:
" I'll support hooters everyday of my life regardless of a sign or no sign. I love owls! "

Mike wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:21 AM:
" Bismarck has gone over the top with signs. When driving down State Street there are signs layered everywhere. I am driving 40 mph, with 3 through lanes and with turning lanes on each side of me – this is an accident wanting for a place to happen. What are these businesses are trying to think of -- that I have time to read their signs without getting into an accident. They need to think again! These signs are a distraction to every driver on the street. Please put on some signs restrictions before someone gets hurt by the drivers reading the multi signs instead of driving. "

George wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:19 AM:
" I am glad the Bismarck Commissioners said no. The business owners need to preplan and think before they build rather than wanting favors after the fact. "

BabyT wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:12 AM:
" I hope Hooters lawyers up and fires off a couple lawsuits. They have good grounds to win too, since every other business in that area has been granted a waiver, but now the city is obviously trying to single them out. Apply the rules to everyone, or no one. Cherry picking who has to follow the rules is not something the city should be doing and they need to get their hand slapped. "

Resident of Bismarck wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:08 AM:
" Thank you Bismarck City Commissioners for putting your feet down on the businesses running a muck. "

Inconsistent wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:03 AM:
" This is a blatant inconsistency that the commission should avoid at all costs. I am of the opinion that they are pushing their own beliefs and agenda on the owners of this restaurant because they dont believe it fits in Bismarck. Well I tell ya what, if you think this restaurant is going to have any more on display for greasy middle aged men then go down to Buffalo Wild Wings and take a look at their servers. I like the persons comment that said that about the sign for Olive Garden, you hit it on the head. "

Get Real People wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:58 AM:
" Have any of you even been to a Hooters restaurant. Girls wear less to church and school. What in the world are you guys afraid of. I have taken my family there and I promise you they are not harmed by it at all. Lets worry about something that really important. "

Grumpy Old Republican wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:58 AM:
" Ah, yes...the city's leaders are treading very carefully during this election year so as to not tick off the local Puritan base. LOL!! Some folks want to fight this restaurant every step of the way and make it as miserable as possible, simply because they're well known for attractive waitresses who show some skin. I'm sure if Kroll's Diner wanted to put up a Vegas-style lit-up marquis, there would be no question about it at all. After all, Pat & Clara are old & wrinkled and covered to the neck. "

Dave wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:43 AM:
" I bet if Olive Garden wanted that waiver it would be granted in a heartbeat.

"

lol wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:08 AM:
" are owls that scary? "

don wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:05 AM:
" Anybody heard whats the latest on when Hooters is opening? "

Don wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:58 AM:
" I agree dubbles, Mayor Warford is the only one using common sense. As for the rest of the commission, I see Mr. Jensen & Ms. Tabor are up for election this year lets show our support for their closed mindedness and elect some one with a more open mind. After all people its just a resturant. As many have said if you don't like the theme go some where else. My question is are they going to make Applebee's, Wendys, Paradiso and the rest move their signs now that they are going to set a precidence? Probably Not.... In my opinion the commissioners actions are just juvenile. "

Narrow Minded People- wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:55 AM:
" No Shortage of those in Bismarck, or in our City Government. "

Tommy Boy wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:40 AM:
" I could really go for some chicken wings... "

dubbles wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:30 AM:
" hmmm....... Looks like the the mayor is the only one using any common sense here.
Thanks for trying though Mr. Mayor!
"

Open Your Minds. wrote on Mar 12, 2008 5:35 AM:
" SHOCKER! There are just a ton of narrow minded individuals that will do anything to stop this restaurant from opening. They said they would absorb the cost of any damage, just allow them to post their sign already!!! Hooters is a family restaurant with delicious food, I've gone there and taken my 8 yr. old son plenty of times. I don't care how their waitresses dress. I can go into say.. Perkins and see just as much cleavage and tight pants on one of their waitresses who is prone to dress in that manner. If you don't like it, don't go. "

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