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UTTC sculpture vandalized

 
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Aug 25, 2007 - 06:44:59 CDT
By VIRGINIA GRANTIER/Bismarck Tribune
He wanted his circular sculpture representing the Earth to have this message: That all people of all cultures have a place there. So, he made an opening on one end to allow any and all to walk in and sit on the bench inside this "Earth."

Sit. Not spray.

But it was spray paint he found when he - David Black Cloud, 27, the sculpture's designer and an art student at United Tribes Technical College - arrived in Pioneer Park on Friday morning. He was with his art instructor, Wayne Pruse, to do the last bit of finishing work it needed before the new sculpture's Sept. 5 dedication.

All that the $15,000 sculpture needed was a coating of sealant.

Instead, Black Cloud was spending part of Friday morning standing in front of it, kind of in shock.

"Why would anyone do it?"he asked. "If there's a message, Ican't see it. There are a lot of unanswered questions."

UTTC students have designed and constructed four statues for the city's parks, with two more to go - paid for with some grant money, but mainly park district money, Steve Neu, director of Bismarck Parks and Recreation District, said Friday.

This is the second time a UTTC statue has been vandalized before its dedication.

Last year's artwork in Steamboat Park featured a giant chrome-covered gazing ball that was pushed from its base the day before its unveiling - and on the ball, words had been written with a marker:"I didn't get my check this month. How about you? .... "

On the new statue, words and symbols and letters in various colors were sprayed on much of its interior, which is about 20 feet in diameter and 9 feet high at its highest point.

Some of what was written on the statue:"Say it ain't so,"and "You stoled was left of sky."

Bismarck Police Lt. Dan Donlin said Friday that a walker or jogger on a path in the park noticed the grafitti Friday morning and called police at 8:57. Donlin said a police officer on the scene estimated the damage to be at about $300.

Black Cloud said construction of the statue started in about May.

"Countless hours,"Pruse said, about the time put in by the four students who constructed it - Black Cloud, John Clifford, Bethany Drapeau and Martha Garreau.

Two days ago, the students finished painting the statue. It was sitting vulnerable for the recommended 48 hours to allow the paint to dry and set before the sealant was put on.

Neu said that about every week there is vandalism in the park system. A recent incident involved a vandal or vandals putting soap into the park district's water fountains.

Neu said the city still has a fountain in Keelboat Park and a fountain next to the park district's office on Front Avenue. But no longer is there a third fountain - the one that once was in the Sons of Norway Park near Bismarck Expressway - because of the frequent soap dumpings by vandals, he said.

"We couldn't get the soap out of it," he said.

Neu said other ongoing problems include vandals breaking toilets, dumping garbage cans and defecating on the bathroom floors, or spray painting various things such as the bathroom at Kiwanis Park. Lattice work at Sleepy Hollow Park has been torn down in the past, and 15 trees were destroyed last year along Edwards Boulevard.

Neu said vandalism has been ongoing for years and the cost of dealing with it, repainting and repairing, is just included in the park district's general operation fund. So he couldn't break it out and give a specific dollar figure, he said Friday.

Black Cloud said he isn't angry.

"I don't want to walk around angry,"he said. "I'm confused mainly, shocked and confused."

The 3 p.m. Sept. 5 dedication at Pioneer Park will happen whether the statue is ready or not, Pruse said.

(Reach reporter Virginia Grantier at 250-8254 or at virginia.grantier@;bismarcktribune.com)
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Previous Sculptor & Former Student wrote on Sep 17, 2007 9:27 AM:

" I had the honor and privilege to work on the 2nd sculpture (Gathering of Visions)with other amazing artists. Our literal blood sweat and tears went into our sculpture. Cut fingers, sweltering hot days, yelling in frustration. (especially from me). I felt terrible when any of the sculptures were vandalized. #3 had the marker with the phrase "get your check yet?" (not cool, My parents taught me to work hard. We always had jobs.) and #4 the spraypaint "Say it isn't so"?. I feel like whom ever did this has no respect for anyone, art, our community, or their parents. Also they could have done it because they were jealous. who know? The reason UTTC art students are doing these sculptures is: To bring the commuinty together. We worked with local businesses. They taught us differnt things. To learn a new skill. Wayne always says there's no such thing as a "starving artist". If you are creative you can do anything. The students also got this opportunity because, UTTC students simply asked to do this before anyone else did. They had a plan, they had a design & idea. The first sculpture the thunderbird is BEAUTIFUL! When I first saw it I thought it was amazing. That students could do something so AWESOME. I wanted to be part of that feeling and experience. To know something you created would be there forever! its a beautiful thing. I've thought alot about commenting and I just wanted people to know that I am very sad about this, because I know what its like to give up an entire summer. To work so hard and then have someone mess it up. I feel for the students. People need to know alot of good can come from the students hard work and dedication to these sculptures. I think they give our community culture. Out of town people love them. To the students WONDERFUL JOB! I think its the best one yet!!!! and #5 & #6 are going to be good to! Bravo! "

Art wrote on Sep 13, 2007 6:06 PM:

" The eagle art sculptures should stay along our river for a long long time. There is no reason to even consider how long. What a silly question. "

Deb wrote on Sep 13, 2007 12:08 PM:

" to "to Deb": I said "hiding behind your art history degree on an anonymous blog" - meaning there is no way to know that whoever that person was actually had an art history degree. I didn't mean that they need to say who they are, just that no one knows for sure who is and who is not telling the truth. I could say that I am the curator of MoMA - but here, that doesn't make me any more bonafide to be an art critic than a garbage man. You can call the sculpture hideous all you'd like. The fact is, as you pointed out, prescience and timing do no coexist, therefore - we all need to get over it. "

To: Deb wrote on Sep 11, 2007 10:07 PM:

" You are absolutely right...timing is everything...and so is prescience. Had humanity had the benefit of the two, much in history could have been prevented. Also these hideous sculptures. By the way...you never responded to whether you really are "Deb" or what is your last name? Now...enough of this. The "scupltures" are there. But two legitimate questions remain: for how long?; and who will maintain them? "

Deb wrote on Sep 11, 2007 2:54 PM:

" to "to deb" : it's not unreasonable to ask questions about an installation and to raise concerns, however, where were all of the art critics before all this started? Why didn't they get in on the ground floor and raise your questions and concerns before the art made it into the parks? It's one thing to just say "I really don't like the scultptures" - that's an opinion and we all have them. It's another thing entirely to blast the artists and start waving around art history degrees and calling out "schlock art." I don't know if it's jealousy, or low self esteem, or just a complete lack of tact (probably a combination of all) but it's not right and I'm taking them to task on it. This subject comes up in the blogs all the time - people complain about an event or disagree with the way something is run - rather than making their own event or getting involved in the decision making process. It's just sooo much easier to complain than actually act on something, which in itself is really sad. The students at UTTC came up with an idea and did all their homework and laid down the groundwork and went through all the proper channels so that our publically elected representatives could decide on whether to go through with this project. If you have a problem wtih the decision they made, then campaign for a seat on the Park Board. Quit your whining on here though, cause it's accomplishing nothing. "

Too Bad wrote on Sep 10, 2007 11:12 PM:

" Well, it looks like the nasty ones are back. Beat each other up. The rest of us have had our conversation. Maybe you all should talk a nice walk along the river. "

In the Name of Culture... wrote on Sep 10, 2007 9:10 PM:

" First off: to "Your all Nuts," your comments might be more welcome if you could spell. "Your" is possessive; I believe you meant to write, "You Are" or "You're." As to the idiot art critics on this blog, most recently those who write about "Caucasian" art, how ignorant you are...and the greatest example is the French painter, Paul Gaugin, who left Europe to paint the natives in Tahiti. If you really don't know of what you write...then don't write it. "

oops wrote on Sep 10, 2007 8:39 PM:

" Sorry, last post was supposed to have the name "to Your all Nuts! ". As the kids say, my bad. "

to Diversity wrote on Sep 10, 2007 8:37 PM:

" "something other than eagles and native american tattoo's" - Native American tatoos? What's that all about? And no I don't agree with you that we need to add European art in order to promote "Diversity" in a community that's 95% caucasion. "

Your all Nuts! wrote on Sep 10, 2007 7:47 PM:

" Why not offer some of the grant to the BSC art programs- Add diversity and acually see something other than eagles and native american tattoo's???? Then it would make more sense to me- Diversity, sharing the City with more than one culture? "

observation wrote on Sep 10, 2007 4:54 PM:

" If all these "eyesore's" are a problem with the natural beauty or art of the river and our landscape, then maybe we need to limit the number of boats and waverunners and people walking, sunbathing and having a good time too. While we're at it, maybe we should limit the number of vehicles people have along with everything else....COME ON..really...The natural beauty of our state is awesome and we shouldn't take what we have for granted..but I don't think a few statues on the river are going to hurt anything...i see some point to this arguement but only if a few turn into dozens...then that could be a problem... "

Mike R wrote on Sep 10, 2007 6:04 AM:

" I am still wondering which museum I can go to and see some of the art work by "to art". After all he is such an accomplished artist and that gives him the ultimate say on what is and what is not art. He must have created some of his own art by now? And using his own words, it isn't true art unless it is bound for a museum. I would really like to know what true art is. I hope "to art" can point me in the direction of his art musuem so I can see true art for myself some day. "

hi wrote on Sep 9, 2007 9:23 PM:

" Though I must confess I double majored in finance & economics in college & thus my opinion likely doesn't count, I love the UTTC sculptures I've seen. I especially like the silver eagle over the globe sculpture. One of the great things about the UTTC art is that its something that Bismarck has locally that the rest of the country really can't match. Some other cities may have boring euro art - Oh yay it's another sculpture of an old man on a horse! - but have something unique. "

Zach wrote on Sep 8, 2007 9:22 AM:

" I don't happen to like the black velvet rugs with Elvis art. But, I do not go around bent out of shape that it is here. I don't think art is only for the few and must be protected from the unclean masses. It is destructive, elitist, and arrogant for some here to lump anyone who doesn't agree with them into the same category shows a pretty big lack of understanding of art. Or, maybe the person is just wanting to make themselves important. You know, there is a better way to show your understanding and education than pompously ridiculing others. "

To: Deb wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:47 PM:

" In defense of "Vandalism of Art?", whom you decry as hiding behind a blog posting...is your real name, "Deb" and what is your last name? My opinion is that "Vandalism of Art?" poses legitimate criticisms that should be addressed in our fair city. What is the definition of acceptable public art? Who should decide what is acceptable? And how long should it be displayed? Are any of these questions unreasonable? "

To: Zach wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:37 PM:

" There is a guy selling black velvet rugs on State St., just north of I-94, with the most incredibly artistic images of Elvis, a wolf, the Boston Red Sox logo, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum, in the most stunning florescent colors, which stand out against the black background (an "artistic" technique!). Given your natural "eye" for art, since you admit to no education on the subject, you should jump on this opportunity before he leaves town! PS. I think you would really like the Elvis one! It would look great in your living room and be a real conversation-starter! "

Fred wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:34 PM:

" I walked by all the 'river art' today. They each have their own message but the one I particularly enjoyed was the nests just east of the zoo because of the way that gardens were incorporated into the artwork. Perhaps small gardens could be part of the other pieces, too. The flowers make a nice, natural transition from the artwork to the earth. 'Thanks' to the artists. "

Lighten Up wrote on Sep 7, 2007 2:02 PM:

" I like the eagle art along the river. I also am pleased to see the art from Bismarck State College, UTTC and others at Urban Harvest this summer. Then there is the great idea of Uptown Downtown that is getting more art up in our area. Really, art always has been more than what the up-tight, hierarchical, holier-than-thou types try to insist on. Keep it up Bismarck! "

Bismarcker wrote on Sep 7, 2007 12:18 PM:

" Today is a beautiful day for a walk along the river. We'll do that and enjoy the eagle sculptures along the way. It is good to live in a place that is becoming progressive and more open. "

Beesh wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:59 AM:

" To poor-ndn-girl, you are not poor in terms of wisdom. Thank you for restoring my respect for your culture. To everyone else, if art is an expression in the form of sculpture, paint or pen, maybe the 'vandalism' is truly their way of adding their artistic touch to the sculpture. Okay, now GO. Let the uproar about my comment begin. "

Zach wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:29 AM:

" Isn't it counter-productive to have only those who feel the need to be "art police" be the ones who determine what is "art" and what is not "art"? Whoever is writing these posts saying "I studied art so I know better than you" can keep saying and posting that again and again. The rest of us will continue to enjoy being human beings and post our views which give life to the idea that art is not reserved for the privileged few who have degrees in art. My opinion is that we don't need such artificial limitations on what is and is not art. "

Joe wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:19 AM:

" I think "To Art" just proved Art's point. "

Deb wrote on Sep 7, 2007 6:32 AM:

" to "To Art" & "to Deb" all others slamming the sculptures: consider artist Damien HIrst. Next to Jasper Johns he is the highest (dollar amount) selling living artist in the world. His installations often explore the concepts of life and death & are widely collected around the world in both private collections and museums. One of his paintings consists entirely of dead flies glued to a red and grey canvas. That one sold for around $3million. An installation of his is a shark in a tank of formeldahyde. That sold for around $5million. Another installtion of his is a large medicine cabinet full of pills. That one sold for $11million. So, I'm sure that you are well studied in the history of art (must be with studies in Europe), but I believe that you have missed the point in your attempt to pigeon hole the UTTC student's installations into your narrow definition of art. In this example, art is art because the students say that it is art. The art was created through an art program, supervised by a working, producing, accomplished artist. The students gained approval for the installations by the publically elected park board. If you disagree so wholeheartedly with what they have accomplished, why not go to the park board and complain, or, what would accomplish more, why don't you go to their class at UTTC and enlighten them on what your definition of what art is and what they can do to further your goal of "good art." OR - you can hide behind your European art history degree on an anonymous blog and tear down students who are most likely reading this (I hope it makes you feel good). You seem to prefer the latter, but as I said in a previous post - you are only doing a disservice to us all. "

Mike R wrote on Sep 7, 2007 5:47 AM:

" To "To Art": For all y our art education, you miss the the most basic principle of all - art is in the eye of the beholder. You want to talk about worthless junk disguised as art - I think the ponies fit that catagory. As far as long range plans - I would bet that well over 90% of what you call are doesn't end up in a museum. Please show me the difinition that states art must be in a museum to be considered art. With all of your art background, you must have created something at one time you considered art. Did it make it into any museums yet? By the way, Outdoor sculptures were not designed to be in a museum. They were designed to be outdoors, and in this case designed to be in a public park. I think the artist should be proud of his work. I think I will take my kids by there AGAIN so they can enjoy it as well. They love the eagles. As far as opinions go, mine is just as valid as yours - art degree or not. "

To: Art wrote on Sep 6, 2007 11:40 PM:

" I assume you are directing your vindictive remarks to me. I am a "snob?" And I should keep my opinions to myself? Hmmmm. My art history professor in Europe considered me to be one of his best students, so you cut me to the quick with your most evident better knowledge of what constitutes art than what I know. Please...I am most interested...what are your credentials? And let us share some thoughts about 1) the definition of art; 2) the test of time; 3) examples of art that are recognized as such through the ages (and that includes the last 50 years, when we have seen some extreme works, visual, representational, and thematic, that have been billed as "art," some of which might compare to the atrocities along our beloved Missouri River); 4) how these recent sculptures on the River might fare by comparison; and 5) what is the expectation for their future, as in: to the trash heap or a museum(?). By the way, this is not about racism or a condemnation of young aspiring artists. It is about the definition of art! And there are well-defined ways of determining what is art and what is not. But then there is the matter of "public art." When public funds, as in Park Board moneys, are spent by a vote by whom...Park Board members (do they know anything about art, and, if they don't, why are they spending OUR money for any of this???), then there should at least be some kind of knowledgeable board to sign off on what is to be publicly displayed and for how long. Do not any of you get this? "

To: Art wrote on Sep 6, 2007 11:04 PM:

" You wrote it so succinctly: we have every right to our opinion. And I have expressed it. These sculptures may be a form of art, but if they are to have a public forum they should be temporary, just as "Paint a Poney" (by the way I paid $2,500 for one of them, but I would not give a plugged nickel for what I see along the River). And, I ask again, when will these craft projects be dismantled? "

Art wrote on Sep 6, 2007 9:54 PM:

" Art is not just for the snobby who seem to enjoy slamming others with words like "schlock" to pump themselves up to appear better than anyone else. Those elitists have every right to their opinion and to express it. The rest of us have every right to enjoy the talents and good work as we see it in the eagles along our river. I was at the dedication yesterday and I saw the newest eagle. It's great! I like it. "

To: Deb wrote on Sep 6, 2007 6:51 PM:

" There is art. And there is "schlock" art. Once more, the question to be asked is, will these "creations" stand the test of time and be museum-worthy? I think not. As to criticizing aspiring artists, I am all for encouraging their aspirations, but just how long do we have to look at the results? Is there an expiration date when they will be dismantled? In the mean time how are they going to be maintained? And, to "Alum ND," this has NOTHING to do with racism. "

Mike R wrote on Sep 6, 2007 6:47 PM:

" Deb: excellent comment. Probably the best you have ever written. Good job. "

Alum UND wrote on Sep 6, 2007 3:13 PM:

" I knew there was racism in Bismarck but I didn't know people were so open about it. These posts are horrible. How can you discourage young artists? It is time to show some love...come on people...get with it. I don't think people were too upset when those painted ponies were set up all around town? Or when all those newspaper vending machines were painted? These are all considered art...no matter if they are created by amateurs or not. "

Deb wrote on Sep 6, 2007 2:40 PM:

" to "Vandalism of Art" and "I agree with vandalism of art" : it's too bad that the citizens of this city are going out of their way to keep to our stringent conservativism and lack of tolerence of art. Someone said on another blog that we are slowly coming out of the dark ages here in Biz. With people like you, I guess it will take just a little bit more time. As for the comment about "the last stretch of river that Sacagawea might recognize" - I often sit up at double ditch and think about the people who walked there before me and who will be walking there after me. I think that if Sacagawea could see into the future at the atrocities that would happen to her people, it would bring a tear to her eye that a small group of Native American college students would have the ability and the drive to make beautiful installations that could be seen from the very river that she floated down so many years ago. If you're going to hate these monuments to diversity and honor, please do so silently. You do us all a disservice by insulting them. "

Thank you artists wrote on Sep 5, 2007 11:21 PM:

" I walk along the river often and I enjoy the eagles that the artists at UTTC have developed, made and given us. Others may slam or put their out of joint noses in the air, but I prefer to enjoy the good things we have here. Thanks Bismarck Parks and Rec. Thanks UTTC artists. I am looking forward to the next two pieces. Bring 'em on. "

I agree with "Vandalism of Art?" wrote on Sep 5, 2007 9:19 PM:

" Consider this. All great art through the ages was either commissioned or was recognized at some point as great art and purchased at incredible prices...or are in museums. And much of this art was public: Michelangelo's "David," commissioned by the city of Florence, the Venus de Milo, one could go on forever. Tell me, just what museum in the next 10-20-50 years will accept one of these River statues for prosperity? "

To: Mama Mia from "Vandalism of Art" wrote on Sep 5, 2007 8:44 PM:

" If you read my first posting I wrote that vandalism in any form is abominable and should never be condoned for any reason. My question is: what is worthy as public art and are these sculptures, no matter how well intended...art? They are not. They are amateurish craft projects that besmirch our view of the last stretch of the Missouri River that Sacagawea might still recognize and go completely against the respect for the land and the River that the ancestors of these so-called artists would have allowed...or, for that matter...even have contemplated! But, and I have written this before, this blight also includes the horrible statues that are the remnants of the horrible Lewis & Clark Bicentennial logo. They should ALL go to the trash heap. Our River needs no enhancing! "

Dedication wrote on Sep 5, 2007 4:35 PM:

" I just came from the dedication of "Rising Eagle" at Pioneer Park. It was a very good ceremony with lot of different kinds of people, coming together as a community. What a good thing for Bismarck to be doing. "

MamaMia wrote on Sep 5, 2007 11:23 AM:

" I'll bet Vandalism of Art did it. ;) "

Eagle Salute wrote on Sep 5, 2007 12:16 AM:

" The eagle art along the Missouri are a great asset to Bismarck. I am really glad the Bismarck Park Board had the courage and the foresight to work with United Tribes Technical College to make this fine display happen. I am sorry that some people feel so incredibly strongly that our eagles should be removed. Wow. I don't like everything I see, but I certainly do not go around demanding that it be changed according to only my way of thinking. Enjoy what you like and allow others to enjoy what we like. In the meantime, I encourage everyone to support the student artist by going to the dedication Wed at 3 at Pioneer Park. After all this ugly flack, they deserve some community support. I certainly admire the student artists. "

Shaina wrote on Sep 5, 2007 12:00 AM:

" To: Your All Nuts For once I agree with you. I was wrong. I got mad and assumed the person I was talking to was you. "

To: Wow wrote on Sep 4, 2007 10:11 PM:

" Tourists didn't pay for these artistic obscenities. The citizens of Bismarck did, through our taxes to the Park Board, which represent a disproportionate part of our local property tax bill. The Park Board has made a huge error in this: too many eagle sculptures that are incredibly ugly, do not deserve the adjective, "artistic," and certainly do not enhance our view of the Missouri River, which, in fact, does not need "enhancing." "

Your all Nuts!!! wrote on Sep 4, 2007 9:56 PM:

" MIss Shaina: Please leave me out of your nieve conversations. I have not debated you on one topic- If you do not like what it is that I write, do not read it. But do not pull me in sweetheart to slam- You know nothing about me! Also I find it interesting as you Squack about racism, and how you were treated with a group of Native Americans- You slam a person that is not even participating in the conversation- You my dear need to grow up- I have no time or breath for a conversation on racism. However I think the sculptures in my view are an EYE SOAR, this point of view has nothing to do with the vandalism "

WOW wrote on Sep 4, 2007 6:49 PM:

" I can't believe how much of you people can say such negative things about someone who is trying to help make the city look nice, maybe it isn't nice to you, but do you ever stop and think about what the tourists might think? Go enjoy the UTTC pow-wow! You;ll see how much non-natives are there taking pictures of the beautiful dancers and eating the food! Think About PEOPLE!!!! David keep the fine sculptures up and coming!!!! "

i agree they're bad wrote on Sep 4, 2007 9:20 AM:

" Why are the people who are trying to make the river beautiful, taking away from its beauty with these horrid sculptures? They are disgusting! I hope they get removed, or better yet, so everyone is happy, relocate them to various parks around town. You know these sculptures scare away wildlife? Maybe more environmentalists need to have this brought to their attention. I am doing that now. "

More Eagles wrote on Sep 4, 2007 8:53 AM:

" I walk or drive along the river a lot. I love the eagles. The river trails are a really good thing for Bismarck. I've never been to one of the eagle art dedications, but this year, I am going! Partly, because of how sour and nasty some of the people posting here have been. "

To: Deb from Vandalism of Art? wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:56 PM:

" Rode my bicycle along the Missouri River today, first past the "bird squat" statue, which seems to become more hideous by the day, then on to the new one in Pioneer Park. To rank this amateur craft project with Impressionism and Cubism is simply artistic blasphemy. Frankly all this needs to stop. We have enough eagles already! "

See you on Wed wrote on Sep 3, 2007 10:18 PM:

" I certainly hope that people can come to this dedication. I am not associated with UTTC, but I will be there. Also, I would think part of the reason the dedication was set for 3 pm was for UTTC students. "

Shaina wrote on Sep 3, 2007 7:47 PM:

" to to: If you don't want a critical response, then don't write a critical post. How would you know what I have experienced in my life? No, I haven't experienced racial discrimination, but there are many kinds. I happen to agree with what you talk about talking teaching your children respect. I just don't think your post was to us was respectful. Would you prefer subjects to be swept under the carpet and pretend they don't exist? Or would it perhaps be more beneficial to talk opening and candidly in hopes of seeing another's point of view? Isn't that how we gain insight? As far as the subject turning to race, I didn't personally bring it up, but I had a response and a conversation that interested me started. Part of being an adult is the ability to discuss hard subjects. Part of being immature is jumping into a conversation pulling bits and pieces out of it (squaw burgers and indian tacos) and thinking you understand that part of the conversation, which I wasn't even a part of. So you grow up! "

To Shaina wrote on Sep 3, 2007 1:55 PM:

" I do teach my children to respect others and in this time in life it is a hard road to travel. But who we are and what we see as Native Americans is different that what you see through your own glasses. But still I teach my children to love one another and to be respectful. Just because you have Native friends and 'witnessed' the treatment doesn't mean you actually lived it and until you do you will never know the real feeling of being discriminated against because of the color of your skin or the accent you speak with. So, no actually, I didn't miss the point. The topic of this article is about a sculpture being vandalized. But leave it up to somebody, with nothing better to do with their time, to find racism as the reason it happened in the first place. So, until you can walk a mile in my moccasins, don't be critical about the way I live or the way I teach my children. "

Fred wrote on Sep 3, 2007 6:56 AM:

" People can find something to be offended about in anything, if they try hard enough. Most everything that happens in the world isn't really about us personally, unless we make it so. "

Mike R wrote on Sep 3, 2007 12:06 AM:

" Shaina: I agree completely with what you said, but let me add one thing. Sometimes the minority gets so used to being treated differently that they actually begin to do things that cause the treatment they are used to even when it isn't there. Not all people see minorities that way. I was in a relationship with a Mexican girl. We had been dating for a few months when I asked her why she never wanted to go out anyplace nice. She said that she didn't want to embarrass me by me being seen with a Mexican. Until that point, I never really thought about it that she was Mexican. She spoke English as a second language, but still I identified her by who she was and never thought about the race thing. It just never occurred to me. I didn't think it mattered. When we did start going out more places, the racism was very easy to see, but she saw it in places where it wasn't also. I think she was conditioned to think that she was going to be treated differently by everyone, and actually sought out the negative because that is what she "knew" was going to happen. Eventually, that is what cause us to split up. She had a real tough time getting past the racial thing, even though I never saw her as anything but beautiful. Wouldn't it be nice if we could live in "to's" world? "

Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 11:39 PM:

" To to: I didn't mean to insinuate that you actually said something insightful or great. In reference to getting off track of the original conversation, it's called conversations evolving. As usual, most of your ramblings missed the entire point. I have a hard time believing you could possibly teach your children to respect others when you are so deep in judgment most of the time is disgusting. In fact, you sound a lot like the person who goes by "your all nuts". "

Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 11:29 PM:

" To Mike -- When I lived in Bismarck I had a group of Native American friends. What was eye-opening for me is that simply in a course of a day -- going to the mall, out to eat whatever -- everything was about the race of my friends to the server or the mall security or the host or the manager or any other person around. If there are kind eyes around, it's hard to see through the fog of fear and despise of all the others. I think what we white people don't understand is that if you are a minority, everything truelly is about race. There is only one United States but everyone has their own glasses. I would like to see the world as "to" does, but it's not the reality I know. "

Mike R wrote on Sep 2, 2007 9:29 PM:

" To: Yes the point of the entire article was lost, but it was lost very early on. As soon as people started screaming racism, the entire point was lost. The motive may very well have been racism but no one here knows that for sure. Yet there are some who scream racism no matter what, as long as the victim is a minority of some sort. No matter what the crime or who the perp is, no one ever mentions race as a motive as long as the victim is caucasion. But if the victim is a minority, it must be racism. Even if the race of the perp is unknown, it is still racism. Even if the perp is the same race as the victim, it still is a reason to cry about racism as long as the victim was a minority. It gets old after a while. I know that racism exists in Bismarck to a larger degree than most other places, but I don't think that everything bad that ever happened to any minority is automatically a racist issue. "

SE Forty wrote on Sep 2, 2007 7:56 PM:

" To-TO- I wasn't going to comment again but- " Whatever you say it must be so" "

To: SE Forty, Mike R and Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 6:09 PM:

" you all just lost sight of the main topic of this article. What does any of this have to do with the vandalism on the sculpture? This means we can't call it an 'Indian Taco' unless we are indians or that means we are racist?! This is the 2000 era, I'd like to think we have all learned that we are all equal and we should teach our children to respect each other, no matter what race they are. I sure hope you all aren't adults carrying on like this. I learned in boot camp that we are all shades of green. We are all Americans no matter what color our skin is. If we teach our children to respect each other and each others property then maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be so much vandalism going on in Bismarck. We need to be watching our kids insead of watching to see who's selling Squaw Burgers, Indian Tacos oe Swedish Meatballs!! AN ART SCULPTURE WAS VANDALIZED!! I feel bad for the four INDIVIDUALS who spent all their time putting it together. I don't care what color they are! GROW UP!! "

Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 5:02 PM:

" online editor -- well maybe take off the first part of the comment then? tha "

Mike R wrote on Sep 2, 2007 4:17 PM:

" "to mike r" I missed the word "to" in front of the username To SE Forty. My bad. I guess that makes me some sort of criminal in your mind. I missed a word. My Gosh, has anything so terrible ever happened in the history of the world? Actually one point is made very clear by this. People who use "To someone" as their username cause a lot of confusion. Even the online editor has requested from time to time that commenters should refrain from doing this. Also sticking to just one username might help out. I apologize for attributing the comment to the wrong person, but sometimes in life that happens. I guess you have never made a mistake before huh? "

Online Editor wrote on Sep 2, 2007 3:51 PM:

" To Shaina: The 350 word limit is in place to make comments easier to read for everyone. Because of the limit we do not publish muti-part comments. "

Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 2:02 PM:

" To poor-ndn-girl -- thanks for the insight. I appreciate your comment. To Mike R -- I guess you are right -- it would be nice if everyone wanted to take the time to explain their point of view and offer insights without the harsh tone. However, I know from experience both from having Native American friends and from working in Bismarck that whites trash-talking Natives was very prevalent. A lot of businesses (I am not saying all) don't want to hire Natives and don't want them as customers. I once did an experiment where I walked around Kirkwood to see if I could find any Native Americans working there. (cont'd) "

To: Mike R. wrote on Sep 2, 2007 1:39 PM:

" I just read through these comments. You have a real problem. SE Forty never mentioned Squaw Burgers. It was in a comment that someone made to SE Forty. Then you go off the deep end calling him a racist for something he never said. You wonder why he doesn't want to meet you? I think you just answered your own question. I am White, and personally, I wouldn't want to meet you either. Isn't this America, where a person has a right to choose you they want to hang with. But, back to the story. This vandalism was so senseless. I seen a picture of the sculpture and I think it is beautiful. "

poor-ndn-girl wrote on Sep 2, 2007 11:40 AM:

" To Shaina: I'm, obviously, native. Lakota, from Standing Rock to be exact. 4/4 enrolled member and yes Sitting Bull is my ancestor. That Fighting Sioux logo does NOT bother me one bit. We are not SIOUX to begin with, we are LAKOTA/DAKOTA/NAKOTA so I agree with you on the logo issue. So why does it bother some people so much? your guess is better than mine... my theory is that there are some radicals out there with nothing better to do than to FIND something to complain about. So in the process they have to drag all the other races into it by calling them derogatory names (I don't care to mention any) to try to get sympathy for their lost cause. It truly is a shame when ALL the indians have to lumped together when we have different views about the subject. When our chairman spoke on 'behalf of the Standing Rock people' he only spoke for himself in regards to the Fighting Sioux logo. These are just my own thoughts and I thought I'd share them with you. If it were something like ummm.. 'Dirty Indians' or 'Drunken Indians' then maybe I'd be offended. I say, leave the Fighting Sioux alone and direct your efforts towards something positive for our youth. "

Mike R wrote on Sep 2, 2007 11:17 AM:

" Shaina: No, I am not stalking him. I guess I really don't want to meet him either. I am just pointing out that he is the one constantly crying that everyone is a racist, but when I want to bury the hatchet, he is the one who says no. I find that interesting. I just find it amazing that he sees so much racism everywhere but when he has a chance to educate and put the differences aside, he chooses to take more cheap shots instead. "

Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 10:28 AM:

" SE Forty -- this is totally off the subject, but I just can't understand the problem with the Fighting Sioux logo. SInce you seem to be fairly wise, maybe you can give me some insight... I'm Irish and I love Notre Dame -- The Fighting Irish. Why don't Natives or the Sioux feel the same way about their logo as I do mine? The Irish have been ridiculed and persecuted for centuries -- maybe not quite as recent but certainly to the same extent for centuries. Just wondering if you can explain it... "

Shaina wrote on Sep 2, 2007 10:15 AM:

" To Mike: Give it up! The man doesn't want to meet you! You sound like a stalker. "

Fred wrote on Sep 2, 2007 8:38 AM:

" To Ann - I agree; the 3:00PM dedication time during the work week doesn't work very well for many. It wil work fine for the city officials but a lot of people don't have the luxury of even being able to take the time off. I hope there is a good turn out for the dedication for a couple of reasons: 1) David's work deserves it. 2) If there's a low turn out, some people will make all kinds of wild claims to fit their own agenda about why people didn't show up. If I can't make it, I'll find another opportunity to thank David personally. Maybe at 5:00 PM people will still be hanging around - bring a picnic! "

Mike R wrote on Sep 1, 2007 11:28 PM:

" SE Forty: I have seen a couple of places serving "SLAW burgers". I have never seen or heard of a Sqaw burger. Are you sure that you are not once agian seeing racism where it does not exist? I would like someone else to confirm if they have ever heard of a squaw burger. Sounds like SE Forty heard someone say it once and misunderstood it and now uses it as proof of the widespread racism. By the way, the last time I had an Indian taco, it was prepared by a full blood Native American (in Trenton ND). If it was such a HUGE show of disrespect and racism, don't you think that other Indians would know enough to not serve them? I suppose the French should be on the war-path because french fries, french toast and french bread are examples of racism? I am sure Polish sausage is racist? What about German chocolate cake? Swedish meatballs? Russian olives? If an Indian taco is racist, why not all the other foods that never really originated in the named country? For someone to see one example as racism but not all the rest, now that person must truely be the racist. "

Mike R wrote on Sep 1, 2007 11:18 PM:

" SE Forty: Why do you keep using that line -"Whatever you say it must be so"? Are you admitting that I am right and you are wrong? What is your obsession with that line already? I am curious what the 30% of my kind are? If I said that it would be proof of racism but you go ahead if stereotyping makes you feel like a man. Yes, you are correct about 1 thing. You probably have more white friends in Bismarck that I have Indian. Point is that my Indian friends do not live in Bismarck. Was that supposed to prove a point of some sort? If so, I missed it. And maybe you are right about one more thing - intelligent people do hang out with intelligent people. Maybe we should get together and compare IQ test scores, but I would bet that you back down from that also. Much easier to take cheap shots at someone from your computer keyboard than try to meet them in person and reach an understanding. Yup, you sure ended this alright. If anyone ever had any doubt about what kind of person you are, you sure showed them. "

SE Forty wrote on Sep 1, 2007 10:28 PM:

" Mike-Whatever you say it must be so. Go to the UTTC pow wow and if a certain concession stand is there you wil find the aformentioned tacos and burgers.Welcome to Bismarck. Mike you wonder why I don't care to meet you????I don't want to be seen with you and the 30 percent of your kind in this Town. Mike I'll bet I have more white friends in this town than you have Indian. Intelligent people hang with Intelligent people. I have just ended this nonsense. I'll see all of you at the dedication and at the UTTC pow wow. Hope you all enjoy them both. "

To: Gross wrote on Sep 1, 2007 7:37 PM:

" Thank you for the support! And I agree completely with your assessment of Mt. Rushmore: white people vandalizing a sacred mountain with white faces (at least the four presidents chosen were admirable -- do you know there was a real effort to add Ronald Reagan?!). But even worse is the effort to deface another sacred mountain in the Black Hills to create a sculpture of Crazy Horse, who hated whites and would never allow his picture to be taken (so...in other words...no-one knows what he looked like!). But some white idiots are carving his face and body as I write. By the way, I am Caucasion, but all this really makes me mad and ashamed. "

To: SE Forty wrote on Sep 1, 2007 7:31 PM:

" Eat an "Indian Taco" or a "Big Indian Burger?" At what point in the history of Native fare did these horrors make their appearance? And you left out "Squaw Burger" that I see being served at rodeos, fairs, and the Bismarck Folkfest. Now there is a "PC" designation! Ironic...I never see Native Americans serving up these delicacies. They all look German or Norweigian to me! "

sk wrote on Sep 1, 2007 6:58 PM:

" All kinds of anger may have gone into this vandalism - race, low wages, poor sleep, heat. Whatever. Let us show up in force wdnesday the 5th at 3 pm for the dedication. Build community some how in this divided town. "

gross wrote on Sep 1, 2007 3:01 PM:

" I didn't want to be the first to say it, but "vandalism of art" is right: that eagle along the Missouri River is horrid. I don't know if that's David's work -- personally I don't care if it was a Native American's, White's, or whoever's -- it's ugly!! If that's what they are all like then let's not clutter River Road anymore. PS -- Not a racist -- have Native and all sorts of different friends -- ugly is ugly though. "

to: Great Works wrote on Sep 1, 2007 3:01 PM:

" why in the world would a young native artist, like David, want to sculpt something so atrocious as George W. Bush? That's almost, if not worse, than having Mt. Rushmore's disgusting display right in the heart of our (native's) Black Hills!! what a joke, I really hope you were just trying to be funny, cause that's the way it seemed. Thanks for the good laugh! "

Mike R wrote on Aug 31, 2007 10:19 PM:

" SE Forty: Yup, definitely a racist. Pretty obvious by the tone of your last comment. "

To: Deb wrote on Aug 31, 2007 9:50 PM:

" Thank you, Deb! I did just what you suggested. Unfortunately the members of the Park Board are just as ignorant of art as you are! They also believe that the Eagle "bird squat" sculpture and the Lewis & Clark horrors will eventually rank with the masterpieces of "Impressionism, Dadaism, and Cubism." Please...give it up! You are simply showing your ignorance. "

Deb wrote on Aug 31, 2007 12:41 PM:

" to "To Deb" : your elected officials are the ones whose job it is to decide what is subsidized and what is appropriate. I didn't once criticize using the race card. If these were Norweigen students from BSC and the city commission or the park board decided they should get space to make sculptures, then that's fine with me too. If you have a problem with the sculptures, then by all means, send a letter to the city commish and the park board, get your concerns on the agenda and be heard. I think the park board and the city commish got it right on this one. I very much enjoy the sculptures and I plan to be at the dedication ceremony. "

To "Ann" wrote on Aug 31, 2007 12:14 PM:

" The dedication was set before, for a second time, our fellow community members from UTTC had their art work vandalized. Now, this is much more of a community issue. We can learn from this. Those of us who can will be going to the dedication on Wednesday to show support for the artists and for what kind of community we want to live in. I can be there and I will go. "

Ann wrote on Aug 31, 2007 11:00 AM:

" I would love to join in on the dedication. I, however, am a teacher and school will not be out at that time! Neither will many business people be done working at that time! The time is not well suited for many! "

To: Deb wrote on Aug 31, 2007 10:30 AM:

" Artists, by definition, are free to create whatever they want. The question is: what "art" should be publicly subsidized and publicly displayed? And to what purpose? The writer who posed the question, "...is our view of the Missouri River enhanced by these statues?" is right on the mark. You criticize using the "race card." But let's not forget those "white" eyesores of the Lewis & Clark Bicentennial. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 31, 2007 9:20 AM:

" To Mike R- I don't know what this has to do with being racist or not. I just feel I don't need another white man telling me how I should feel and act. I will be at the Sept. 5th dedication to enjoy the sculpture made by these talented artists. I hope everybody who can, will show up and support this art. Enjoy the Pow Wow. Eat an Indian Taco or try a Big Indian burger. Have a good day. "

Stand Up 2 wrote on Aug 31, 2007 7:43 AM:

" Come together. Dedication of "Rising Eagle" 3pm Wednesday. I will be there! "

Yves wrote on Aug 31, 2007 12:49 AM:

" This is very sad something like that can happen here in this great community. losers will always be losers... David I salute you. "

Deb wrote on Aug 30, 2007 11:49 PM:

" to "vandalism of art" : Okay, well then, why don't you let them know what the standards are. let david black cloud know what his art should be. go out to UTTC with your art history degree (pssst.... white people can teach there.. shhh... don't tell anyone..) and tell them that their art stinks and it needs it needs to be more like your definition of art. teach them your art (if you do that)... then criticize. Do I think that David's art will be as highly regarded as dadaism or impressionism? One word: absolutely. "

Mike R wrote on Aug 30, 2007 10:58 PM:

" SE forty: You know, I kind of expected that you would decline. After all, it is so much easier to bicker from a keyboard, rather than meet and actually attempt to see the other person's side of things. I was willing to do that. You weren't. Who is the racist now? "

Come Together wrote on Aug 30, 2007 10:42 PM:

" Excellent idea! I will be at the dedication 3pm Wednesday. Show support for the students. Say no to the destructiveness. See you there! "

To: Deb wrote on Aug 30, 2007 8:33 PM:

" I think you should back off "Vandalism of Art?" with your descriptions of "angry" and "hateful." I have seen your postings on other blogs and you seemed obsessed with those you perceive as "angry" and "hateful." Frankly, you seem "angry" and "hateful!" It seems to me in the postings of "Vandalism of Art," he/she is simply expressing, given his/her credentialed expertise, an opinion about the quality of public art on view in Bismarck and the surrounding area. The criticism doesn't strike me as particularly "angry" or "hateful." Calling something that is ugly..."ugly" is not being "angry" or "hateful." It is, rather, very honest and refreshing in this day and age. Many on this blog have written that they find all these statues to be in good taste. But here is one simple question we should all ask ourselves: is our view of the Missouri River enhanced by these statues? In other words, are they really necessary or desired? "

To: Deb from "Vandalism of Art" wrote on Aug 30, 2007 7:43 PM:

" I am well aware of all the history you describe regarding the various so-called "art movements," especially in the last two hundred years. And thank you for placing me on such a lofty perch! But do you honestly believe this local shlock art, whether white or native, will end up on the same plane as "Impressionism?!" Or even "Dadaism?!" Come on! You remind me of the students I have had over the years who were terrible underachievers, but thought they deserved and "A" grade, because...well...they had tried. Sorry that just doesn't cut it. Nor does these local attempts at "art." There are standards...you know. And they are the standards you so eloquently cited! "

college student wrote on Aug 30, 2007 7:31 PM:

" that sounds awsome! i will be at the dedication. "

I'll be there wrote on Aug 30, 2007 7:04 PM:

" I'll be there "

Amy wrote on Aug 30, 2007 2:06 PM:

" To Stand Up: That's a great idea. I would be there but I'm out of town :( People who vandalize are nothing but idiots and cowards who go out in the dark of night to hurt. I personally find the sculptures wonderful. We can all disagree about what is and is not art, but we need to take a stand against hate and vandalism. It's always disappointed me how little art Bismarck has when you look at Sioux Falls and Rapid City and the amazing pieces they have located all around their downtown which DRAWS people in. "

A Lutheran pastor wrote on Aug 30, 2007 1:55 PM:

" See you at 3 p.m. on Wednesday. Sounds like a great event! "

Captain Crunch wrote on Aug 30, 2007 12:53 PM:

" Art who? "

Deb wrote on Aug 30, 2007 12:32 PM:

" to "werow" - that was the other guy criticizing me for poor grammar, not the other way around. I type too fast to watch grammar and syntax. Mea culpa. "

Deb wrote on Aug 30, 2007 12:30 PM:

" to "Vandalism of Art" : thanks for making it twice this month that I can feel good about myself that I'm not walking around angry and hateful! And if you have an art history degree, then you will be well versed in the beauty of aboriginal and primitive art found all over the world. You would also know that most new art styles, including dadaism, cubism, impressionism, etc were widely panned by critics such as yourself when they first came out on the scene. In fact, nearly all new art forms, including film, music, traditional art and the written word are often misunderstood and visciously criticized before the masses discovered and ultimately embraced them - which lead to the higest form of acceptance: copying. You probably would have criticized the works of Picasso, Bob Dylan, Jack Kerouac and Alfred Hitchcock when they first came out and only later, when it was acceptable, you would place them on your "masters" list. You may dislike the art work that David Black Cloud and the other students at UTTC are making now. And that's fine. We all have opinions. But rather than be so ludicrously negative, I tend look at it from a positive point of view where as at least they are making art. They are doing something - they are practicing and honing their skills. They are making installations that are viewed by hundreds, if not thousands of people every day. You, on the other hand, are standing from a far, handing down your critiques from your uppity I-have-an-arts-history-degree mountain top. I would rather make mediocre art every day of my life than spend one minute in an anonymous comment forum lambasting college students for being out there making what you think is mediocre art. Good day, sir. "

Art Lover wrote on Aug 30, 2007 11:59 AM:

" I'll be at the dedication. Art is good for our community. "

Wlliam wrote on Aug 30, 2007 11:14 AM:

" Let's all go to the dedication ceremony next Wednesday and support the art and the artists. Wouldn't it be great if a thousand Bismarck and Mandan people came and said, "Enough is enough to the racists and vandals," and yes to the Park Board and the project. "

REX wrote on Aug 30, 2007 10:22 AM:

" Let's get together and take turns camping out in the park armed with baseball bats and mace. "

Supporter wrote on Aug 30, 2007 9:57 AM:

" I will be at the dedication to support the community's effort to make Bismarck beautiful and inclusive!! "

Tommy wrote on Aug 30, 2007 9:22 AM:

" I spel badd on porpous to irritate some peple.... "

To Stand Up wrote on Aug 30, 2007 9:07 AM:

" What a great idea! Okay, I will be there at the dedication. It is time to stand up together. "

Werow wrote on Aug 30, 2007 8:40 AM:

" To "Deb": Whoa girl, ease up on the criticism. This is a forum for all to punch out on a keyboard what they feel and think. You have been punching out your opinions long enough to know better. But, it's obvious, you need to be set straight again. We are not concerned about punctuation; spelleng, or proper structure sentences. Only opinions matter. We do not criticize others for these deficiancies; unless we think we are more than those we criticize. Which may be the case here. "

Slim wrote on Aug 30, 2007 8:08 AM:

" They used to have a spell checker on these posts so you could check your spelling. Yes, the spelling on some of these posts is terrible. To the On Line Editor, "What happened to the spell checker?" I can't seem to find it anymore. "

Patrick wrote on Aug 30, 2007 8:06 AM:

" We had relative in Bismarck this summer and one of our highlights was to show them the beautiful artwork done in our parks. TOO bad someone has to be a rotten egg. "

Stand up wrote on Aug 30, 2007 7:50 AM:

" You know, it is pretty obvious. Two years in a row a UTTC eagle sculpture is vandalized with spray paint just before it is dedicated. Clearly, those are hateful, nasty acts. At last year's dedication, the student artists spoke with class and honor. And now it happens again! When will we act and stand up to say "This has got to stop!"? Those of us - most of us - do not want that to happen in our community. We need to show that as Black Cloud said this eagle sculpture is to show that all people of all cultures have a place here. Let's show that is true. Let's all go to the dedication on Wednesday at 3 at Pioneer Park. No brass bands. No ugly barbs on a blog. Just go. Be there. Let's show some togetherness as humanity. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 30, 2007 7:45 AM:

" To Mike R- Not interested, Have a good day. "

Mike R wrote on Aug 30, 2007 5:32 AM:

" I don't think it takes away from anyone's comment when they don't use proper grammar. It's a comment board for crying out loud, not an english paper. I question the intellect more of those who feel the need to correct the grammar ans spelling of the comment instead of trying to make a point based on the facts alone. How did we get so involved in grammar all of a sudden? Is this one of those dreams where I am back in school and didn't study for any of the tests or what's the deal? "

To: Deb from "Vandalism of Art" wrote on Aug 29, 2007 10:14 PM:

" I should have added one more thing. If you are going to criticize my ability to critique art, without knowing my credentials on the subject, you might at least want to use proper English. You write, "there's a few times a month..." That is incorrect and totally illiterate. Did you mean to write, "There ARE a few times a month..."? And this is how to construct a proper quote, using your words, "Wow, blah, blah, blah..." Not, wow, blah, blah, blah..." "

Paula wrote on Aug 29, 2007 9:24 PM:

" To Hello: If you think your friends were involved, talk to them and hopefully they'll admit it. "

To: Idea wrote on Aug 29, 2007 8:40 PM:

" The correct word is "Vandal," not "vandalist". I know this is totally extraneous to the subject at hand, but it is simply appalling to read the number of mispellings, malapropisms, grammatical errors, ad. nauseum, that infect these postings. Before you submit...consult a dictionary! "

To:Thomas Elliot wrote on Aug 29, 2007 8:31 PM:

" So has every president. What rock do you live under? "

To:Deb, from "Vandalism of Art?" wrote on Aug 29, 2007 8:29 PM:

" I have a bad attitude? What I have is a degree in art history. I know "schlock" art when I see it. Actually, what I see along the Missouri River, the "Enchanted Highway," Salem Sue, et. al. is beyond "schlock." It is "blight." Am I the only one who enjoys the natural beauty of the River -- or what River is left -- thanks to the Army Corps of Engineers and our rolling prairies?? Why besmirch them with...well...ANYTHING! They certainly didn't need enhancing before we came along. And that includes whites as well as natives. As to the whites, they are responsible for Salem Sue and that kindergarten project, the "Enchanted Highway" ("Enchanted?" "Ghoulishly Amateur" is a more apt description). And as for the native works...it is still appropriate to ask these "artists" what their ancestors might have approved. "

idea wrote on Aug 29, 2007 5:59 PM:

" I think the City of Bismarck should donate the money it cost to build this sculpture, one the vandalist is caught, restitution. "

tip wrote on Aug 29, 2007 3:53 PM:

" to hello: you might want to choose better friends. a lot of times the law works 'guilty by association'. "

sick wrote on Aug 29, 2007 3:43 PM:

" Sick....stick with the issue people "

Hello wrote on Aug 29, 2007 3:28 PM:

" I have buddies that live in bismarck/mandan. I sometimes felt a little envious of them because they are still in school, the parents buy them the nicest cars, the best clothes, cell phones, the works. a couple of them work about 16 hrs a week at odd jobs. theses are the ones that completely terrorize when they are out at nights. They are my buds, I SEE what they do. People of Bis/Man. you children are no angels-but they are my friends. thank you "

Thomas Elliot wrote on Aug 29, 2007 2:14 PM:

" I hope Great Works was NOT kidding, after all, Clinton built a library and named it after himself. "

Really now wrote on Aug 29, 2007 12:50 PM:

" To Great Works: I really hope you were kidding about George W. Bush. "

Deb wrote on Aug 29, 2007 11:45 AM:

" To "Vandalism of "Art?": there's a few times every month or so when I sit back and think "wow, I'm really happy that I don't have his/her opinion on that" or "wow, I'm glad I don't have that bad attitude." Thanks for making it happen this month. "

7r9s wrote on Aug 29, 2007 10:28 AM:

" Students at UTTC and BSC can create art to be placed by the river. But why not create it using natural material, trees, native plants, native grasses, etc. I doents need to cost a lot of money to create art. Be creative!! "

Great works wrote on Aug 29, 2007 10:22 AM:

" Black Cloud: Do something special with your next project by createing a likeness of President George W. Bush, he is a great man and an fine example of a true leader. Thanks "

Mike R wrote on Aug 28, 2007 10:23 PM:

" Se Forty: You and I have been on opposing sides of a couple of different issues on at least 2 different web sites. Even though I don't agree 100 percent with your perspective on some issues, it seems to me that you have reasons to feel the way you do. Maybe we could get a better understanding of eachothers positions if we were to sit down and talk some time. I plan on attending the pow-wow in Bismarck for the first time this year. I could use someone to help show me around and explain what I do not understand. I think this could be a learning experience for both of us. Let me know if you are interested. "

REX wrote on Aug 28, 2007 10:16 PM:

" Standing Rock is right. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 28, 2007 9:31 PM:

" All this happening in good ol BIsmarck where everybody thinks their kid does nothing wrong. Terrible! "

From Standing Rock wrote on Aug 28, 2007 9:23 PM:

" Keep your head up there young man! The work you provided for the community is and will be appreciated now and forever. The Vandalism that was done to your art work was simply that! Vandalism, not racist! So as you develop more art work in the future and develop your toughness for things to come in the future, consider this a "bug on the windshield" meaning" it shouldn't obstruct your view on the future" Strive Forward Young Native, we are proud of you down here on Standing Rock! "

UTTC Student 06 wrote on Aug 28, 2007 7:46 PM:

" Keep up the good work Black Cloud! Your beautiful art work is appreciated by many! "

REX wrote on Aug 28, 2007 4:45 PM:

" Hey war eagle, chill out a little, man............... "

War Eagle wrote on Aug 28, 2007 2:06 PM:

" The creator has given each of us a gift, we should respect one anothers culture and beliefs. you dont see native americans going around crucifying one another. yeah you see natives fighting in iraq for our land. next time the ships come across we will leave your diseased bodies to float to another country to pollute. the creator knows every move you make so you will be screaming in hell with the other sinners when you disrespect mother earth. "

No Respect wrote on Aug 28, 2007 12:27 PM:

" Talk about no respect. But don't worry the lord works in mysterious ways. The dog will always bite back. It's pitiful how something beautiful can be ruined. But then again this is ND. How would people like it if someone spray painted custer's house. Pitty pitty pitty no darn good. "

dmdakota wrote on Aug 28, 2007 4:12 AM:

" I am a former student of Uttc. I am proud of the sculptures that David has done. It is all very beautiful. Don't let what others say every bring you down. Just continue the tradition. Hopefully people will learn some respect. Keep up the good work. "

to: Vandalism of "Art" wrote on Aug 27, 2007 10:43 PM:

" You mentioned the last stretch of the Missouri River that Lewis & Clark might have recognized that is being vandalized by so-called "art." What would the Mandan and Hidatsa natives of that time have thought of all these "works?" I think not much at least, and horrified at most. "

Mike R wrote on Aug 27, 2007 10:19 PM:

" SE Forty: Ok, so not Every single topic you comment on is about race. You have commented on a couple landowner rights issues on another web site, but you really do have a tendency to focus most of your attention identifying racisem even when it isn't there. I do realize that racism is alive and well in ND. I have seen it personally many times. I was in a "mixed" relationship for a while and I know all to well what some minorities have to deal with in ND. I just think that you are a little to quick to play the race card. I know racism exists. It just isn't absolutely everywhere like you seem to think it is. "

idea wrote on Aug 27, 2007 9:31 PM:

" So everyone here seems to want to do something: Would it be possible for the Tribune to set-up a bank account that people could donate to to have the statue repaired? i.e. simmilar to what small town banks do when a tornado hits someone's house. Maybee they could get some local companies to match the donation? Maybe put a little box on the front page anouncing it - any amount over $300 goes to pay for more UTTC public art? The trib could also put up a volunteer website but I highly doubt it would be useful to have 500 people show up to clean up some paint. Probably just get in Black Cloud's way. "

Your all Nuts! wrote on Aug 27, 2007 9:16 PM:

" "You just have to stir things up wherever you go, don't you? " Uh NO---I just brought up why not offer a grant to the BSC students- THEY HAVE A NICE ART PROGRAM AS WELL AND WOULD PROBABLY JUMP AT BEING INCLUDED IN THIS! I believe I read 6 sculputers. Is their something wrong in what I am asking? I am not saying do not give any to UTTC students I am saying out of 6 lets add some diversity---Have you seen the sculptures? "

Vandalism of "Art?" wrote on Aug 27, 2007 8:59 PM:

" Vandalism can never be condoned or defended. What happened is a shameful act. But something to ponder is what we locally are -- apparently -- defining as "art." Just how many sculptures do we need to "enhance" our beautiful stretch of the Missouri River and our local parks? They are ubiquitous, oversized in relation to their setting (ie. the huge eagle that dwarfs the small park west of Washington St.), and rankly amateurish, including those horrible, modernistic holdovers of the equally horrible logo of the Lewis & Clark Bicentennial (at least the statue of Sacagawea is not pointing in some direction!). Two questions: (1) What is with North Dakotans' obsession with littering our beautiful prairie landscape with man-made objects...or is that "crap"? (Here is a short list of examples one can cite: "Salem Sue;" that embarassing kindergarten-level craft project called "The Enchanted Highway;" that ridiculous bison in Jamestown with his droopy eye; all of the threshing machines that sit on nearly every butte, and, let us not forget a favorite, "Og," the mechanical gorilla with the waiving arms, who, mercifully, finally succumbed to the elements in Harvey, via Mandan and Dickinson. And (2) Why do the students of UTTC want to do what their ancestors would never have done...besmirch the natural beauty of the river with something man-made? And if I am wrong about your need or desire for this...how about something better than that grey/white eagle concoction that looks like a gigantic bird squat? The real "vandalism" here is the ruination of our view of the last stretch of the Missouri River that Lewis & Clark could possibly even recognize! What I want to know is how this can all be stopped...and how we can get rid of the eyesores that exist! "

concerned wrote on Aug 27, 2007 8:32 PM:

" If anyone sees anybody acting suspicious around any of Bismarck's beautiful displays, please call authorities immediately. Thank you! "

To you are nuts wrote on Aug 27, 2007 6:57 PM:

" Oh did I say "you are nuts"? instead of "your all nuts"? Minor grammatical error, but you surely understand those. I am glad no one gave you the satisfaction of a comment back. You just have to stir things up wherever you go, don't you? "

Vicki wrote on Aug 27, 2007 6:57 PM:

" I'm with Deb, Black Cloud tell us what you need to clean this matter up. "

jim wrote on Aug 27, 2007 5:36 PM:

" BLack Cloud does awesome work - I hope this terrible act doesn't stop him from doing more sculptures. "

sue wrote on Aug 27, 2007 5:28 PM:

" What's going to happen is, we are going to have to put 'guard fences' up to protect things. How sad is that? Please if someone knows something about this, have them come forward. "

stupidz wrote on Aug 27, 2007 5:22 PM:

" Racism has nothing to do with this, it's stupidity, downright STUPIDITY!!! "

senseless is right wrote on Aug 27, 2007 5:21 PM:

" This is completely senseless - where are people's brains?? Why would someone do this - it's terrible. "

bob wrote on Aug 27, 2007 5:09 PM:

" Do we have to start monitoring spray paint, etc. like otc cough medicines???? "

Stay Strong wrote on Aug 27, 2007 2:37 PM:

" I am very sorry to hear about this senseless vandalism. Stay strong! "

Just me wrote on Aug 27, 2007 2:09 PM:

" Another sign of the BPD focused on the wrong issue? But then, these types of crimes are harder to solve then writing noise tickets, after entraping someone. "

h wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:52 PM:

" I dont thing park and rec needs more security i think our children need to be more supervised!! "

blah wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:51 PM:

" These people dont appreciate good work "

black or white wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:49 PM:

" I dont care what color of your skin is. This is a terrible thing to happen when someone puts so much work into something "

s wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:48 PM:

" This is really sad that someone group had to violate someone else's work. This is so sad "

hope wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:46 PM:

" I hope you still continue to do projects around the city, they are very nice!! "

dave wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:46 PM:

" I hope that this can be cleaned up and people can leave it alone "

lisa wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:45 PM:

" people quit calling thing racist just because it was an indian that did the sculpture, we need to work on the problem. "

me wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:43 PM:

" I cant believe people just cant leave things alone "

hate to be whomever!!! wrote on Aug 27, 2007 1:09 PM:

" Racists but will not reveal their name, They will run into the wrong native one of these days. KARMA is a ouchie!!! "

RLC wrote on Aug 27, 2007 12:51 PM:

" I think this is a good idea that Deb had, I too would be willing to volunteer to help clean up the art work in the park. Let me know what I can do. "

Point to Ponder wrote on Aug 27, 2007 12:33 PM:

" Does anybody know if the graffitti was gang tagging? "

To Look Out wrote on Aug 27, 2007 12:03 PM:

" That is a poor excuse for this vandalism, because they have nothing else to do but jack up the music in their cars and the muffler noises. It is just a punk, or a bunch of punks that need to find something more constructive to do, probably out past curfew too. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 27, 2007 11:57 AM:

" To HBIC- Ok Boss. You must think your one of those take charge type of guys. Talk to your wife and kids like that and stay off the comment section. Thats It. Story Over!!! "

HBIC wrote on Aug 27, 2007 11:09 AM:

" Ok people......quit looking sooooooo deep into everything...the vandals are just a bunch of little jerks who had nothing better to do with their time and decided to illuminate the need for year-round school due to the fact that they cannot spell or create a structurally competient sentence. Get over it! The damage is estimated at $300.....its not like it's a million dollars! So quit writing your I-have-nothing-better-to-do-at-my low-paying-job comments and get out there and fix the problem...ie. ...Get out there and paint OVER the damage. Enough said and story over. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 27, 2007 9:13 AM:

" Hello mike R- How you doin buddy? You wrote "EVERY Story" I comment on is about Racism. Now "EVERY" meaning all with no exceptions is probably not quite true. But since you wrote this it must be true huh? When I write something on these comment sections it is usually about something I feel I know about. In my thirty years of existing and working in Bismarck I have witnessed plenty of this Racism which you say does not exist here. I simply wrote my Opinion of this Vandalism and commented on what I think happened. Were one or two of the other projects done by the young adults from UTTC also vandalized? Why? Add it up MikeR. Have a nice day. "

Captain Crunch wrote on Aug 27, 2007 9:06 AM:

" I doubt if this was about race. I'm more inclined to think its more about some little punk who is in great need of an a*s kicking. These are the same giggling little perverts who sit in the back of the bus and draw pictures on the seat in front of them with a majic marker. "

Look out wrote on Aug 27, 2007 8:45 AM:

" You think there is alot of vandalism now, just wait until all the kids in town quit working on there cars. No more sound systems to work on and no more cars to tune there performance. Since there hobbys are being taken away little by little, its only gonna get worse because they will have nothing else to do. "

4444 wrote on Aug 27, 2007 8:44 AM:

" This is not a race issue because their is no such thing as "race", this is a man made idea. There are different "cultures" though. Why not plant some trees along the river, cherry, walnut, etc. Statues are nice but they need to be limited, what is there know is fine. "

Mike R wrote on Aug 27, 2007 6:27 AM:

" I did not get to see the art or the vandalism that was done to it, but from past experience I know that many things are vandalised in Bismarck/Mandan (almost every week according to the police). This is not an isolated incident. I do believe that this is one of a very few incidents where Native American property has been vandalized. So why is SE Forty so quick to jump to the conclusion that it is about race? The answer is simple. For him, it is ALWAYS about race. Every story on every website the he comments on is ALWAYS about race. We wonder why racism is still alive today. I say that it is probably due to a minority of the people who make racism thier lifes work. Please, give it a rest already. David: Don't let this get you down. Don't let the low-lifes win. "

to david wrote on Aug 27, 2007 12:34 AM:

" i did not get the chance to see your work but have heard a lot of good things about it. indian people have to deal with this type of behavior for a long time. it one makes us stronger. keep your head up and keep up the good work. i think maybe we should leave it as it is. then MAYBE, when these stupid people GROW UP, and hopefully become productive individuals, they can take their children there ands show them how they spent their time as teenagers. That should make them proud. (look what mom/dad did when we were young-the vicious cycle begins. "

Wind Dancer wrote on Aug 26, 2007 10:49 PM:

" I apologize for the ignorant beings that vandalized your piece of art...................you are truely gifted please keep up the good work! "

paul wrote on Aug 26, 2007 8:42 PM:

" there's always somebody who has to wreck it for everyone else "

so sorry wrote on Aug 26, 2007 8:18 PM:

" I'm so sorry this happened - it's terrible! Hopefully the person(s) who did this will be caught. "

HIm wrote on Aug 26, 2007 12:59 AM:

" OK, not to disparage the heritage that these works of "art" are supposed to represent, nor to condone vandalism. However, is it just me that think the rash of absolutely HIDEOUS things being placed in public places has gotten out of control? I mean, come on now! Some of these things are just plain eyesores! Many of the more common decorations and manuments have not been defiled. Perhaps there is a message in that. "

KEEP FAITH!! wrote on Aug 26, 2007 12:01 AM:

" David your a very talented person and your artwork gives faith and inspires natives to keep there head up and that many could also accomplish and do the right thing in life...It is just sad that someone actually took the time to do this obviously they have no life or do not value life...God Bless you and whatever you continue to do... "

Your all Nuts! wrote on Aug 25, 2007 11:18 PM:

" My question -Why all the sculptures along the river are from the UTTC students. BSC has a nice art program- Why are these kids not given the same oppurtunity? Nothing meant by this comment, just asking- seems like alot of Natives making their views known on GRANTS- why not add some diversity down by the river that doesnt have to do with native americans or eagles? "

White Guy wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:35 PM:

" This is sick. I'm upset that all the work the artist put in has been insulted by this stupidity. Call it vigilantism, but if I caught anyone vandalizing the art pieces, I'd show them a new way to hold their spray cans. I am as upset about it possibly being random as it could be motivated by racism. I say, when caught, let's spray paint the idiots. Eye for an eye. "

hi wrote on Aug 25, 2007 9:08 PM:

" The sculpture looks really cool from the picture. I'd be a shame if it had to be removed. Two questions: 1. Will they be able to fix it? 2. The article says "Some of what was written on the statue:"Say it ain't so,"and "You stoled was left of sky."" What else was written? Very sad day indeed. Would be nice if UTTC could make more (assuming we can keep the idiots away) - maybee start putting some downtown too. "

Lakota Grandmotherq wrote on Aug 25, 2007 7:50 PM:

" I had the privilege to volunteer time to help the UTTC art students and Wayne Pruse on one of the sculptors a couple years back, and the pride that was felt watching the students, reading their thoughts by their actions, made me proud of their efforts . Today my granddaughter called and asked if I read the paper . I choose not to read it too much because of all the hateful things that occur day to day. What a hurtful thing to read today! We are familiar with some of the UTTC students in this years project and it was hard to look at the picture of David. I admire all of you students along with your instructor. Please continue to beautify , and keep those strong wonderful visions with you. "

Mandan Guy wrote on Aug 25, 2007 3:48 PM:

" Deb: This is right on what you posted. If the community really cares, we should volunteer to make this right. Clean up all areas of the cities. "

concerned wrote on Aug 25, 2007 3:06 PM:

" I feel this vandalism is plain stupid no matter what culture you come from - I am white and feel for these native americans who have put so much work and effort into this and now have to see it ruined. It appears to be the work of the gangs in the area - I agree that there should be more security in this area. All along the river is party time so the police should be watching this more closely. I think the lack of respect of people's property is terrible and it keeps getting worse. apparently this is the work of someone who doesn't have to pay taxes or maybe they would think twice about doing this. "

ok wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:21 PM:

" time to stop this is so stupid!!! "

ss wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:17 PM:

" keep up the good work david and please keep the nice art coming "

cant control wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:16 PM:

" cant always control people but its to bad this happens "

free time wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:06 PM:

" nothing will probably be done because they wont find the person or person that did it "

dave wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:05 PM:

" David does do really nice work. Who has time on their hand, that can ruin these pieces "

huh wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:04 PM:

" it doesn't matter who did this it is wrong no matter what color "

what is wrong wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:03 PM:

" what is wrong with people "

Fred wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:03 PM:

" People can find racism in anything, if they really want to. What I don't understand is why they want to. I have met and visited with David on several occassions and while I can't read his mind, my guess is he isn't thinking about racism; he's feeling sadness, as many of us are. There are lessons here; I hope we can all heal and grow through them. Thanks for your artwork, David, and your friendship. "

terrible wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:03 PM:

" People can never leave nice things alone "

sad wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:00 PM:

" This is soooo sad that people have to be so distructed "

how crazy wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:59 PM:

" how come when something is done so nice it has to be ruined by losers!! "

studip wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:58 PM:

" Why are people so studid. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:49 PM:

" kat- there is a lot of wisdom in what you write. But, I do know Bismarck and the area thank you. I have traveled quite a bit also. I base all my comments on First hand Experiences. I did not say ALL people were so small minded and Racist. Whoever did this damage should be made an example of in the court system. I know David and he will keep his head up proudly. "

terrible wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:42 PM:

" This vandalism is absolutely terrible. It adds to dividing people. Finger pointing and accusations because some idiot/idiots did this. No one knows who did this yet, we can't blame it on racism yet. We don't know if the vandals were white, black, native, asian...etc... all we know is someon has caused anger, pain and hurt to many. They will have to anser to a higher power some day. "

jan wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:14 PM:

" I am so sorry this happened, I went down to Pioneer Park to see it in person. It is a beautiful sculpture. It's sad to see that some people feel they have a right to purposely 'wreck' somebody else's property. Keep your head high! "

kat wrote on Aug 25, 2007 11:26 AM:

" Se forty - come on You make it sound like Bismarck doesn't care and it's the only place in the world where vandalism happens. Maybe You need to get out more. There are lots of places that have a few foul apples that ruin it for everyone!! I don't think this should be a fingerpointing about race either. No body knows who did this and whether they were white, native or any other race. It doesn't matter because the only classification You can use in this case is "lowlife". Someone who is messed up and feels the need to destroy. I am glad to hear that the talented artist is keeping a good attitude. Don't let idiots like this break your spirit! "

Stupid People... wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:44 AM:

" do stupid things. This is wrong on the highest of all levels. I also admire the sculptors humbleness. Cameras would be a great idea! "

8433k wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:35 AM:

" It shouldnt have to come to have cameras .I dont like to be video taped every whare I go ..I just wish this stuff wouldnt happen..Bunch of kids who dont know how lucky they are to have this art and have running water and carpet under there feet..Its sad that they think it is cool to ruin stuff.. Wake up who ever does this and relize that life is preciouse and ruining stuff and vandalizing is not right.. "

HoyywoodNDN wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:19 AM:

" It's probably our own kind, they have so much hate for each other, thats sad they can't leave well enough alone..You can go down to the Rez and see the Vandalism all the time.so Much is distroyed and just left to be ignored. I have been to the Bismarck Parks, and such beautiful walk ways and green shaddy areas. The Tennis Courts were just magnificent, and not being from NDAK the people were great. So for those Natives destroying property that doesn't belong to you get some help you obviously have issues. That behavior is not our ways..You don't wanna hear it from people, but today you'v herd it from me. Behave, Long time ago we were corrected, but we didn't go around destroying stuff, also for all the people, the Parks in that beautiful city are there for your enjoyment, take care of them so that others may enjoy them as well...Thanks Bismarck "

Lowlife Scumbags wrote on Aug 25, 2007 9:43 AM:

" Whoever did this is an absolute piece of trash. You are a useless human being. Why doesn't Bismarck have some security cameras on these things? "

Watching wrote on Aug 25, 2007 9:31 AM:

" I hope the vandals that did this read this thread, what have you accomplished? Are trying to hurt Mr. Black Cloud or the Native population themselves? I commend David on the fact he is able to say he is not angry.. not angry, twice his scuplter has been vandalized and he still moves on. He has a good soul inside him and I and most of the area population do enjoy all the creative artwork that is diplayed and the storys told to go with it and I look forward to the completion of this statue. I hope that you will experience some one trashing something important to you, better yet I wish to catch you in the act while I'm on duty and then you can answer for what you have done. Good luck David "

Jayce wrote on Aug 25, 2007 9:29 AM:

" To SE Forty: Did you notice you are the only one bringing up racism? Every post on this site to date is expression of anger over this, and support for the UTTC students, offering to help clean it up, etc.. We are all offended by this act of vandalism, and because a couple people vandalize it, you are lumping all of us together as racists. Get real. Someone spraypainted symbols all over buildings downtown last fall, and I didn't see you calling those vandals racist for vandalising buildings owned by private owners. This is not about racism...this is about vandalism trying to get attention. "

to se forty wrote on Aug 25, 2007 9:05 AM:

" Right away you claim "racists" are you saying that this is a white person doing this? How do you know for sure? Are you saying that Native people do not commit vandalism? I would say the only racist thing would be you! "

Jan wrote on Aug 25, 2007 8:19 AM:

" Maybe the local police should be checking places where things like this areis happening more closely, or maybe it is time for a good blizzard to keep these lowlife people in their houses - too cold to spray. "

SE Forty wrote on Aug 25, 2007 8:17 AM:

" There seems to be a certain percentage of people in this area who just don't like Indians or anything good an Indian will and can do. I have been existing and working here for the last thirty years and these things have never changed. This and the other works of art were beautiful made by artistic hands and artistic minds. This town and does not deserve or appreciate good art or artists. My thought after witnessing this ugly activity called vandilism is maybe the school should have their art pieces made at the college and then have them advertised at the UTTC pow wow and then send them to other parts of the world who would truly appreciate them and the artists who made them. It would seem most people here just shrug their shoulders at this so-called vandalism and say nothing. There is a percentage of people in this town who just plain and simple are RACISTS. Or maybe they are just Plain and Simple. "

Tommy wrote on Aug 25, 2007 8:03 AM:

" He wonders why somebody did this... For the same reason that people throw garbage out the window. No respect for anybody elses property or land.. Mr. Blackcloud should be familiar with that. Sad "

Anita wrote on Aug 25, 2007 7:59 AM:

" To Devid: I am pleased to hear that you are not angry. The creator will continue to bless you wonderful skills and knowledge of handeling your situation. KEEP THE FAITH! To Deb: Thank you for your generous offer of help toDivid and the rest of the students. I do not know hem but I do believe this is a learning experience for them. Aho! "

Former UTTC Student wrote on Aug 25, 2007 7:31 AM:

" Mr. Black Cloud, Your sculpture is a work of art. I saw it this summer and took pictures to take back with me to Haskell Indian Nations University to show my everyone. I am a UTTC Alumni and encourage you to continue to produce your artwork. There will be setbacks such as this, however, pray and look to the Great Spirit for strength and guidance. I am proud of you and the Art Department for showcasing your talents in the city of Bismarck. Persevere and continue your outstanding work through these masterpieces to bridge the gap of cultural diversity in the city of BIsmarck and the State of North Dakota. May the Creator continue to inspire you and watch over you. "

Deb wrote on Aug 25, 2007 7:18 AM:

" This is ridiculous. Black Cloud: tell us what you need. I'll volunteer supplies and my time to help you clean it up. "

Disgusted wrote on Aug 25, 2007 7:14 AM:

" Beautiful sculpture by David Black Cloud. Please don't get discouraged by these low lifes. Maybe, they are just jealous because they do not have the intelligence to design something this nice. All of the sculptures built by UTTC are awesome. "

Nice work wrote on Aug 25, 2007 6:40 AM:

" Black Cloud did a really nice job on this sculpture. To bad some losers have to deface it. Maybe Parks & Rec could use alittle better security. "

Fred wrote on Aug 25, 2007 5:54 AM:

" This saddens me. I appreciate David's work and David as a person. Vandalism of any kind is an act against every person in our community. It provides nothing of value; only destroys. David - please persevere and don't lose heart! "

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