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Bill would let pregnant teens keep secret

Jan 19, 2007 - 04:01:30 CST

By DALE WETZEL
Associated Press Writer

North Dakota's Senate has endorsed a proposal to allow young girls to seek medical care without notifying their parents if they are pregnant.

Under existing law, if a girl is younger than 18 and pregnant, she needs consent from a parent or guardian to get prenatal care. The legislation, which the Senate approved 46-0 on Thursday, allows a pregnant girl to consult a doctor privately. It now goes to the House for its review.

Sen. John Warner, D-Ryder, said the measure does not allow a minor to get an abortion without the knowledge of her parent or guardian.

"Early and appropriate prenatal care is important, not only for the health and well-being of the mother and child, but it does much to mitigate the extraordinary costs of premature birth and low birth weight babies," Warner said.

The legislation, Warner said, "strikes an appropriate balance between the need to access early pregnancy care, and the duties of parents to be involved in the medical decisions of their children."

State law already allows minors to consult a doctor without parental permission to get treatment for alcoholism, drug abuse and sexually transmitted diseases.

"These are (instances) in which the public policy is to encourage young people to access medical services, rather than discouraging them from seeking them ... in an appropriate and timely manner," Warner said.

The bill is SB2181.

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Also a parent wrote on Feb 1, 2007 9:47 AM:

" I tend to agree that the gov't needs to let parents parent and there is a fine line there, but I also see their side that the risks young people (and old) take in not wearing a seat belt, tanning, not getting proper medical care, etc., all trickle down to higher costs for the rest of us at the other end. When someone sustains a preventable injury in a car accident because a seat belt wasn't use; when someone end up with skin cancer from too much tanning; or when someone ends up in the ER due to the many, many complications that can arise with child bearing; it costs us more money in higher costs for insurances. "

LJK wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:58 PM:

" Good think teen pregnancies are much lower than in recent years. Hopefully some of you will interpret that as a good sign and stop thinking any generation that followed your own must be immoral and corrupt. "

Mandan wrote on Jan 30, 2007 6:48 PM:

" I still believe that if the government wants to allow soooo much freedom of choice to minors then either they should take over the parenting or stay out of it all together unless in an abusive situation where the authorities need to intervene. I also do not think it is right that a child right now can get help for drugs, alcohol, or STD's without parents knowledge. If these kids are supposed to be smart enough to make an appointment for prenatal care they should have been smart enough not to have gotten in this situation. This is not a legilative issue it is a parental one quit taking away parental rights or start footing the bill for all kids. "

Also a parent wrote on Jan 30, 2007 3:58 PM:

" I know my daughter would not want to tell me she was PG but if she could get some prenatal care while she got up her nerve, then that's fine with me. I'm sure the doctor would advise her to tell her parents first and foremost. Also, as soon as I got the bill, she and I would sit down and have a heart to heart as to why she was secretly going to the doctor. It wouldn't be a secret very long. This is not about abortion. Kids learn all about abortion in school. They won't hear it first hand from a doctor at a prenatal visit. And to Parent 2 who couldn't make an appointment for your college-aged child over the Christmas holiday? You are lying. You can totally make an appointment for your adult children anytime you want. Good heavens. I do it often. Stop trying to make this worse than it is. Kids do what they do no matter what they are taught. They have minds of their own. You can only hope they make the right choices MOST of the time. "

SAHM wrote on Jan 30, 2007 2:13 PM:

" To the poster who said they know where their child is at all times and what they are doing. HOW? Are you right there the entire time? I lost my virginity at my friends house at age 14. We decided to have the boys over while her mom wasn't home from work yet, it was before 7pm. I bet my mom was not expecting me to be losing my virginity that day at that time!! Imagine that! Was it my parents fault? NO, I am now 26 and can say it had NOTHING to do with parenting. Had my parents been talking to me about sex and saying don't do it, consequences could be very bad.. yep they had. Did I care when I was curious and teenage hormones were raging and I just wanted to do it? Nope, I didn't care that I was doing something "wrong" even though my parents had told me better. I was still living my own teen life, and had I gotten pregnant I should have had to tell them. And if I couldn't because they were horrible abusive parents then I should have gone to authorities with my fears and looked for protection there NOT from my doctor who would send them a bill in the mail.. HOW is that going to save a childs butt from abusive ticked off parents - after all they are going to find out anyway - just later when it would tick them off more.. how did that help the problem any? "

bubba wrote on Jan 30, 2007 7:34 AM:

" ok if these kids are so smart and can make good decisions, why do we need to have them wait until 21 to drink beer and 18 to buy smokes, seems the morons who make the laws what the best of it all. "

To C both sides: wrote on Jan 29, 2007 2:06 PM:

" I think what the other blogger was saying was that there will be emotions that all family members will experience, and just because teens think their parents are going to be disappointed or angry or frustrated is no reason not to go to them. It's called owning up, being responsible, taking the consequences.... Teens should expect nothing less, and I think that blogger was saying that parents can still experience these emotions and be supportive at the same time. So many bloggers have knocked parents who would be angry, saying teens can't go to them, and that is silly. Life and families are full of emotions, because that's what love does. It causes caring! "

Glenn wrote on Jan 29, 2007 2:04 PM:

" Fundamental issue: who is responsible for a child? If it is the parent, then the parent MUST be the primary person to either advise/make decisions in the child's life, or the primary person contacted about the child's behavior. If not, then let the doctor, teacher, government, etc. But you cannot have it both ways. You cannot hold the parent accountable for a child's behavior and eliminate all the important points of contact between the parent and those who are in positions to greatly impact the child. If the position of the Legialature is that the parent is of so little importance, let's drop the age of an adult to 16, or lower, and force our new young adults to assume all the accountability for their actions both emotionally and monetarily. "

C Both Sides wrote on Jan 29, 2007 12:24 PM:

" To To C Both Sides, if I remember correctly in my post I did add that "if" my daughter would become pregnant that I would also feel "angry, upset and probably feel that I have failed but can only imagine that it's the same feelings and emotions that my parents felt towards me" so what's with saying that I wouldn't have any emotion and being called an Alien? I am not exactly sure you read the whole post, re-read it please. I think I made my point perfectly clear! "

Mandan wrote on Jan 29, 2007 11:19 AM:

" I am definitely completely against this bill. Parents should have the right to know what is happening with their child and not let the government help hide things. This is a ridiculous bill and should not be passed. Manipulation and deception is all this bill would create. "

To Mandan : wrote on Jan 29, 2007 9:31 AM:

" Yes! I am beginning to feel quite inadequate in my parenting skills when the government decides they should be taken away. Apparently I am here to dole out the dollars and close my eyes to the rest. That's not why I became a parent. I "thought" I could raise this child to the best of my abilities, teach her right from wrong, know she would make mistakes, but also know that when the day came she could draw back on the morals and values she learned as a child. The government has decided that all that isn't good enough and these kids should be able to pull the wool over the parents eyes and sneak behind their backs. If the government, and everyone else, does not soon realize the value of a home, a solid family structure, and parental involvement (and "control"), the family will dissolve into independent teens running wild with no direction, no focus, and no ethics. This is the world I want for my child? I don't think so. If my child was pregnant she would NOT get any medical care without her parents knowledge, because she is NOT MATURE ENOUGH to know the importance and that would be the last thing on her mind. What are these people thinking?? "

Mandan wrote on Jan 29, 2007 8:42 AM:

" to it's about time, if teens are so smart and can make all these necessary and logical decisions parents won't be needed so I guess we start emancipating them until we can get the law to change the age of consent which is 18. Again we have the government thinking we are too stupid to make our own decisions for our own children. Parents are told what they can and can't do with their own children yeah some do not make very wise choices but there are ways to deal with that but to take this away from all parents is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Teens already think they know everything but they are not mature enough to make this type of decision because if they were they would not be in this situation in the first place. Ridiculous that is what this bill is. "

Hey, I get it X 2 wrote on Jan 29, 2007 8:25 AM:

" A previous writer says a mouth full! AGREED AGREED AGREED. Perhaps a law should mandate parents to just 'bring home the money'!! That should solve everything! I,understand this bill passing means parents are not mature enough to educate or deal with mistakes their children may make. For all of you readers who agree with Hey, I get it and Hey, I get it X 2, SB2181 just wants you to go out and get another job and stop stressing over parenting. SB2181 will assure you your responsibility is only to pay for the medical costs, followed with a big 'Slap in the Face' for being so human. PARENTING IS FOR POLITICIANS??? "

Hey, I get it! wrote on Jan 29, 2007 12:51 AM:

" If I am allowing my teen to be on my car insurance and paying for it, or for a portion of it, I am, in other words, "controlling" the car (and I bought it). So she should get and pay for her own insurance. If my teen in on our family medical insurance plan, we are "controlling" her medical options. So she should get her own plan and pay for it. Of course, she can make all the decisions where she will get all this insurance and how she will pay for it. Since she doesn't have a job that will pay for all her "name brand" clothes, I am controlling her closet since I have to buy them. So she should start shopping at the second hand places and pay herself, then she will have control of her closet. I have to pay all her dues for all the clubs she is in, and since I do that, I draw a line as to how many she can handle, but if she pays her own dues, she can be in all the clubs she wants and not have to consider time for school work. That works for me. So she can find her own insurances, buy her own clothes, and pay her own dues. What about school lunch money? Since I have to fork that over, she can eat at school. If I stop controlling that, she can decide if she wants to go hungry, or budget some of her clothes money for school lunches. It's becoming real clear now what society wants parents to do. Yeah, let go of all that "control". "

To It's about time: wrote on Jan 29, 2007 12:24 AM:

" The reason teens can't make their own decisions is because they are not old enough or mature enough or smart enough. That's what parents are for! To protect and guide these kids until they can take over their lives. It has little to do with control, and we've all seen what happens to kids when parents give up that "control". These lawmakers are trying to turn our homes into boarding houses, and strip parents of any rights to raise their kids. If these kids could make wise decisions before 18, they wouldn't need parents at all. So, then, should I toss my 15 year old out and say "Go make a wise decision, figure out how you will live and go to school and onto college and keep warm and fed." Or should I just offer a boarding house rent free, meals at six, and all the modern conveniences any other boarding would offer, including all the modern technology, latest clothing fashions, stocked fridges, etc. Who is so threatened by the family unit? So, at just what age should these responsibilities and decisions be laid on these kids to make? It's all or nothing, I guess. Either I am a parent or I am not. I resent someone trying to tell me where my boundaries are and that my only duty is to provide financial support. "

It's about time! wrote on Jan 28, 2007 10:47 PM:

" All you people against this can rant all you want, it wont change it happening! and it's about time! Just because some girl is not 18+ doesn't mean she should be deprived of the human right to make her Own decisions in life. Their is still slavery in this country and that is the laws keeping people from making their own decisions in life until they are 18+. It's slavery! and most parents get off on it. They are control freaks! why do you think slavery was so prominant with blacks, or any race, it's because people like controlling other people, and just because someone is below 18 people think they can control them! wel hahaha on all of you finally things are turning around :D "

To shocked: wrote on Jan 28, 2007 3:17 AM:

" What they are trying to do here is give these teens an option to go to the people who see them as a number, and keep them from going to the only people who can really help them all the way around, the parents! I can't believe that parents have such little importance anymore. The only reason this bill is even considered, as far as I can see, is so the little mommies don't have to face their parents. If these little mommies want health care, their parents won't stop them from getting it! We may as well move on into "Brave New World", where babies are test tube, and live away from parents, where there is not supposed to be any family ties or structure. It's coming to that faster than we think. Yet, they want parents to sign for tanning? I'm so sick of everybody else raising my kids. No wonder kids have such little respect for parents anymore. No one else does, so why should they? If this society doesn't toughen up and take back control, we are headed for major problems beyond what we have already. No parent would stop a child from seeking medical care. So what purpose does this bill have other than to encourage the teens to lie and deceive just a little bit longer? I really don't see one. But according to some, parents aren't suppose to be upset, the kids should think nothing of casaully mentioning it at dinner? If a parent reacts, they are a bad parent and shouldn't be told before the medical people? If my child came home and said she was expelled for cheating, I shouldn't react? Cheating is wrong! Teen sex is wrong! What if she comes home and says she side-swiped a car because she was reading a magazine? I shouldn't react? That's careless. Teen sex is careless. Let us be parents, that's the job we all signed up for, or so I thought. "

Shocked and amazed wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:45 PM:

" Doctors do not need to tell parents of their childrens alcoholism, drug abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, and now pregnancy? This is becoming like in california where the schools and doctors are now the parents. If my doctor keeps secrets from me about my family how can I trust him or her on other issues. My health is less important than the health of my family. Who needs to worry about spies and terrorists when everybody seems to know what value system your children should have. How can lawmakers and the courts tell me I am responsible for my children when they are so busy taking parents rights and duties away. Naturally when I find out that I was the only person that did not know my child was heading for rehab, or an abortion decision, I will sue a bunch of people. Then when one story comes out about any teacher or doctor who has a sex or drug problem I would be first to be very vocal. We have already seen the letters to editor comments on Mr Vollan who was a school teacher in Alaska and advocates marijuana. Would we trust him to make a decision on children and drugs? Do I need to put in print all the stories I have heard and read about school teachers and doctors. The U.S. news is full of stories. So far the latest bunch of female schoolteachers that have had sex with highschool students have not passed on AIDS or other diseases as far as we know. This law seems to give cover to other teachers that may know of teacher involvement? Fortunately half of North Dakota is small towns who know their doctors and school teachers pretty well. Thank you Tribune for telling me I can no longer trust my doctor or childs teacher. "

Good Luck! wrote on Jan 27, 2007 8:59 AM:

" This bill will affect only a few people. The ones I see it affecting are the parents who have been negligent in their parenting duties. It is the families where there is one-way or no way communication. I don't mean to say that you don't have rules and follow them. Having rules and consequences for children are very important. But the rules and the consequences need to be reasonable for both parent and child. The rules also need to be enforced consistently and with caring - not anger, or revenge. If parents are doing their duty as parents, the daughter won't get pregnant in the first place. If parents are doing their duty, the parents will be the first ones to know - and again the parents will be involved in the decision-making. It is the families where there is lack of positive twp-way communication where this bill comes into play. The parents will find out about the pregnancy soon enough when the medical bills arrive through the insurance notices. My experience in working with young people - and adults - is that the ones who are bent out of shape tend to be the ones who tend to have one-way-communication with their children. If you don't believe it, look in a mirror and repeat the last few conversations you've had with your daughter. Did your daughter say what she thought and you didn't get angry with her? Or did she only say what you wanted to hear out of fear? Was it something in between? Or was it something that was her true thoughts, feelings, ideas, her questions, and your loving and caring responses? You decide. If this activity brought about a great deal of anger in you, you probably need to consider what is wrong. If you can do this and you feel good about it, you may be doing okay. Good Luck! "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 26, 2007 9:48 AM:

" To RodM: Thanks, our Webmaster Keith Darnay deserves the credit, he did the coding. "

RodM wrote on Jan 26, 2007 9:44 AM:

" To online editor: Thank you for fixing the polling process. I was only able to vote once, as it should be. You don't need to post this, just wanted to say good job! "

bubba wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:40 PM:

" what kind of idiots have been sent to do the peoples buisness. I think they have lost there brain. First of all where do they get off telling my kids what they can do with my money without me knowing about it. Tell me if the stupid people who thought this up have children and how they would feel in the situation. I think it is wrong, maybe this young girl was raped and needs some help, maybe she got drunk at a party and had a couple of guys, things I would think should be brought to the attention of the parent. "

A Mom: wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:02 PM:

" WHEN did I ever say I wouldn't support my daughter or wouldn't be there for her? THAT'S what I am saying, it is our place as parents, not the place of a stranger in a clinic!! WHEN did I say I would turn my back on her? WHEN did I say she wouldn't be able to depend on me? Are you nuts? Telling me I would be no kind of mother at all, that she would be better off without me, or that she couldn't depend on me.... what are you reading? Would I be disappointed? Yes! This would certainly send her future into a different path. Are you saying that I wouldn't have a right to voice my disappointment? Then I would be lying to her. I haven't been telling her all this time to respect herself and take care of herself and come to me with uncomfortable situations just to someday be able to say "Oh. well, whatever, sweetie..." But the disappointment would pass quickly and we would deal with the situation at hand, which would include any medical care or counseling or whatever she would need. Get real. "

Grandmother wrote on Jan 25, 2007 1:44 PM:

" I have raised to girls to adulthood, and have mixed feelings on this bill. I do feel that the health and safety or both mother and baby would be more likely if this bill passed, and I would hope that most doctors would then encourage their patient to speak with her parents and somehow help pave the way making it easier for the to-be-mother. I would certainly think this would cut down on abortions rather than increase them. I myself have talked a girl out of an abortion because she was afaid to tell her parents, or the father. In talking and talking, she finally did tell everyone that needed to be told, and things turned out much better than she expected they would "

To C both Sides: wrote on Jan 25, 2007 11:55 AM:

" Let’s not confuse a parent being disappointed, angry, hurt, upset, or whatever EMOTION with a parent SUPPORTING their child. Two different things here. You talk about the anger in some of these posts, and that you wouldn’t go to your parent either….. Think about it – you did it to your parents, what if your daughter did it to you? Are you saying you would have no EMOTIONS, no hurt, no anger, no disappointment and only show support? Come on, are you an alien? "

To A Mom wrote on Jan 25, 2007 11:12 AM:

" way to scaring your daughter into being afraid of you. If you daughter ends up pregnant, yes it is unfortunant, but you need to be there for her and help her through it. Even if she is at first scared to come to you, and goes to get prenatal care. She needs the care no matter what, and if she seeks that, before telling you she is pregnant, and you turn your back on her, you are not a mother at all. And she would be better of without your help. I feel for you child if she ever ends up in this situation, where she cannot depend on you to be there and to help her along. Thats pathetic. _a nurse and mother _ "

Mandan wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:59 AM:

" to NDr how will this law make any difference if these teens are afraid to talk to their parents they also will not talk to another adult especially a doctor who they know will bill their parents who will find out within a week or two. This will not increase prenatal care just possibly deception if by chance you do get one or two that come forward. This bill also takes away the need for a parent to be involved which is going to be necessary at some point and delaying this will cause more problems at home then if the teen came clean immediately. "

NDr wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:50 AM:

" This bill is needed for many reasons. These include: 1. Fetus's not taken care of by the mother end up having numerous health problems later in life that us taxpayers end up paying often HUGE bills for. 2. Far right religous parents that have their kids so scared that they have to hide this from them out of fear of being dis-owned or worse. 3. Parents who fail to properly take care of their children. Because of these people's behaviors the fetus is not properly taken care of and us taxpayers and the child pay for the rest of their lives. "

Many organizations wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:57 PM:

" There are many well meaning organizations out there that provide free initial prenatal care to all women - and yes they are mainly right to life groups and I support one of them financially. The group I support actually will provide free services for the first few visits - the big catch is they want to make sure the mother has the first ultrasound - this gives the greatest success ratio for women chosing adoption over abortion. These programs provide services to help these girls deal with what they are going through so they can talk to the parents. As far as paying for the bills - the majority of young girls can be fully covered by ND Medical Assistance if they are pregnant. There are programs out there I guess most people just are unaware of all the programs their tax dollars support. "

Online Editor wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:32 PM:

" To George: You are right, our method was less than perfect. We are planning another poll tomorrow afternoon and will have some safeguards in place to keep bogus votes to a minimum. There are a couple of methods that can be used, both have short comings and can be circumvented, but not without a little more effort. Our polls won't be scientific, but hopefully will at least represent our readership. "

George wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:24 PM:

" Anybody notice the online poll today (Wed. Jan 24th)? At one point I saw the 'yes' count jump 300 votes in 20 seconds?? I also noticed both the 'no' and 'yes' counters were continuously going up every 3 seconds, as if people were trying to skew the vote one way or another. I tried to vote myself and discovered I could vote multiple times? Gee...now that is an accurate assessment of the opinion on this issue. Tribune, you need to fix this and I suggest not having other polls until you do. Everybody should ignore these polls until they are fixed so a person can only vote once. "

To Puzzled: wrote on Jan 24, 2007 9:57 PM:

" When did I say I wouldn't be supportive later on? Didn't I say I would see that she got the help she needed, medical and beyond? If these girls play their cards right, they can hide this from the parents for up to five months. Don't you think she would need her family in that time? Don't you think the anxiety would just build knowing she would not only have to fess up someday, but also give a reason why she waited five months? She'd just be digging herself in deeper, and have all those months to agonize and not be able to talk about it with her family, with those who count and love her. That type of anxiety is good for her and the baby? These kids should not be encouraged or enabled to act manipulatively or deceptively. They are minors, they cannot possibly live out on their own and need their parents in all ways, even in, and especially in, this type of situation. If they could handle it themselves they would be living in apartments and paying rent on McWages. My daughter is 15. We are trying to raise her to have integrity and honesty, and responsibility. This bill says she doesn't have to. And if you think that being disappointed and showing it is not supporting her, sorry. In our home we praise what's good and evaluate what's bad. We don't have any rose colored glasses here. "

A Mom: wrote on Jan 24, 2007 8:32 PM:

" I already said, the only way she would go to the dr. is if we knew and saw that she got the proper medical care! She isn't mature enough to figure out what would need to be done. I was afraid of my parents, not because they would have beat me, but because I loved them and it would have killed me to disappoint them. When a problem like this can not be dealt with within the home first, then the problems go further than a pregnancy or anything a doctor could fix. It's a sad day. And I will never believe that a doctor or anyone else could take care of my daughter as well as I could when the chips are down and the dust settles. All of you who want to pamper the pregnant teens rather than force them to face the consequences of their actions are paving the way for lazy welfare bound people. "

Mandan wrote on Jan 24, 2007 8:09 PM:

" to to mandan Maybe if the parents were doing there job to begin with this would not even be an issue DUH! Obviously it is because parents are not being responsible enough and if the teen is in a lousy home maybe the system isn't doing enough by removing that child. There are plenty of adults to go to that can help with talking to the parents the problem is these teens sure won't talk to them and go to a doctor yeah right if they are smart enough to figure that part out they would also figure out that within a week or so mom and dad will get the bill. The government is to involved in our personal lives already but if you want to live in a dictatorship move. I for one know what my kid is doing and who his friends are and where they are and have talked openly with my child to know that communication is open an rules are to followed. It works if it is tried. "

Puzzled to "A Mom" wrote on Jan 24, 2007 7:12 PM:

" So if your pregnant 16 or 17 yo daughter (who does know how to make a doctor appointment and may very well be intelligent enought to understand that she needs medical care) does so without YOUR permission, you will not be supportive of her later on and you will not pay the bill; better she not seek medical attention and just keep the secret as long as she can? Wonder how you would feel if your pregnant teenage daughter kept her secret - did not seek medical attention - and died from pregnancy related complications...you'd be thinking "if only she'd told me OR AT LEAST WENT TO THE DOCTOR..." "

Mouth from the South wrote on Jan 24, 2007 5:56 PM:

" to Can't imagine Y; No, I don't think that I contradicted myself. These teenagers are immature because they are still children!!! They aren't grown up and we shouldn't expect maturity out of any teenager no matter how much a parent guides them. We guide them to keep them on the right track and hope that what we have tried to teach them will help them through the remainder of their lives when they reach adulthood, which isn't even close if they are 13 or 14. They shouldn't even have to be making sexual decisions at this age. Even though lots of people on this post think that it is inevitable that all thirteen or fourteen year olds will have sex, this just shouldn't be the case and doesn't have to be. Sex should be one of the last things to be experimented with at this age, surely not the first. And yes, I was afraid of my parents. Not because they would have beaten me or even think of being abusive. I was afraid of the consequences of any of my actions, particulary if those actions were wrong and or something that would have dire consequences. Therefore, I tried to avoid doing those activities that might cause dis-appointment to my parents or would have lasting consequences when I was that age. Sex being on the top of my list to avoid. And I sure wasn't a saint. "

To Mandan wrote on Jan 24, 2007 4:45 PM:

" Hey Mandan, if these SO CALLED parents were doing any parenting their children would have been able to communicate with them long before the pregnancy issue ever came about and asked their parents for birth control ooh yeah but that's right these kids are too afraid to ask their parents fearing they will flip out, the kids would have had sex anyways and then bam here we are in the same situation, pregnant daughters needing medical attention. Good parenting skills you are talking about. The communication gates are closed Mandan!! "

A Mom: wrote on Jan 24, 2007 4:30 PM:

" I can guarantee that by coming to me is the ONLY way she would receive medical care, and any other help to get through it. She would have no idea how important any of that is, and it would be up to us, as her PARENTS, to see that she would get all she needs, physically and mentally. But if we aren't allowed to be in on it we can do nothing. My child knows right from wrong, and knows that she has to be responsible for her bad choices. She would also expect we would be quite upset at her behavior, and would probably be disappointed in US if we weren't. It's called caring and being a family and a process of emotions. "

Puzzled... wrote on Jan 24, 2007 4:22 PM:

" So to all the outraged moms and dads who say "don't bill me..." It all boils down to this - If your teenage daughter finds out she is pregnant and doesn't have the courage to tell you, but has enough good sense to know she should see a doctor, you would deny her that right and risk her health (and your future grandchilds) because she didn't get your permission? Sorry folks, the damage is already done! Good, intelligent girls make made decisions, too...why you would want to punish and deny your daughter the right to seek medical care when she is already scared and ashamed & coming to grips with what has happened is beyond me...The best thing that could happen is she goes to the doctor and he/she encourages your child to go home and TELL YOUR PARENTS. "

Agree with Mouth from the South: wrote on Jan 24, 2007 4:22 PM:

" Indeed, these kids SHOULD be afraid of facing the disappointment and frustration of their parents. They should expect anything different? As far as maturity, yes, parents can preach until they are blue in the face, but kids mature in different stages of brain development. Read "Why Do They Act That Way" and you will understand that these kids are NOT mature, even though physically they can do the deed. They know right from wrong, but cannot determine the difference or don't have the maturity to understand potential consequences. It isn't necessarily a parents fault if this happens, as no parent, or teen, would choose it, but we can't keep our kids locked up 24/7. As parents, we teach, we preach, set good examples, but none of this will kick in with the teen until their brain reaches the stages where all this will register. Until that time, we, as parents, need to not only talk but be active in their lives and know their friends and activities. All the guidance in the world will not accelerate their maturity rate, but it needs to be there when they can absorb it!!! That's why we're PARENTS - to not only guide, but monitor, as well, and hopefully spot dangerous behavior before it takes place. If my child got caught with alcohol, I would be notified and expected to take care of that behavior. If my child bullies in school I am called to curb the behavior. If my child gets pregnant, I am kept in the dark.?? Pick one or the other, either I am allowed to be a responsible parent, or someone else can take care of the problems my child may experience. This bill is simply destroying the family unit, eroding trust and structure. What are these people thinking? Turning society over to kids to call the shots on these types of issues!! "

Susan wrote on Jan 24, 2007 3:59 PM:

" To mom - nice attitude. I sure bet your kid/s would come to you if they got pregnant (son or daughter). You seem all for keeping those communications lines open as well as concerned for your childs well being to ensure she recieves medical care. "

RodM wrote on Jan 24, 2007 3:22 PM:

" Just another example of why government needs to step in and take care of our kids becuase the parents are too stupid to bring their kid up the right way. While I'm against Big Brother telling my I don't have a right to know if my daughter is pragnant, I see the need for this for those among us who procreate, yet have IQs in double digits and have no clue how to raise kids. "

Mandan wrote on Jan 24, 2007 3:17 PM:

" to think you have that one right for sure. These kids can't tell a parent and in most teenagers minds adults don't know everything why would anyone think that they would think gee I guess I should go to the doctor and not tell my parents. Common sense if these teens knew so much in the first place they would not be in this predicament. Parents have the right to know what their minor child is up to and this bill just takes that away. If that teen has not been able to tell a parent or a counselor they surely are still not going to go to a doctor. Use common sense here and leave the parenting to the parents and parents do your job. "

think: wrote on Jan 24, 2007 2:46 PM:

" Even if these girls can go to the dr. without telling their parents, chances are they won't! If they can't go to their parents, they are thinking only of themselves and the consequences. Their last thought will be medical care for the child. About the only way these girls WILL make it to the dr. is through telling the parents! They could remain in denial, thus no care. They could be afraid to even tell the dr., thus no care. They do not realize the importance of medical care during pregnancy, and are not mature enough to seek it out, even if they can. They will be thinking only of themselves and their own hides when they finally come clean. "

Can't imagine Y wrote on Jan 24, 2007 1:21 PM:

" To Mouth from the South, your attitude is the exact reason that drives these children to the clinic instead of telling their parents, by using the statement "children should be afraid to face their parents". You also state that these children are immature but that is why they have parents is to guide them. Well you are kinda contradicting yourself there because if these childrens parents would be guiding them they wouldn't grow up so immature now would they?? My exact point that this bill is a good idea to care for these "immature" yet "unguided" children. "

Hush, Hush wrote on Jan 24, 2007 1:06 PM:

" Don't schools still have counselors? If these kids are so afraid of telling their parents can't the school counselor help them? Sex education should be taught in the school system starting in kindergarten. Obviously 5-6 year olds aren't going to need the full blown explanation but start with simple basic stuff. There is no reason why this should be such a hush hush topic when we are having large numbers of young teen having babies. Maybe if these teen knew how to prevent a pregnancy there wouldn't be a need for a bill like this. I also don't believe as a taxpayer that it is my responsiblity to pick up the tab either. This baby was created by two teens and between the two families they need to spilt the tab for the next 18 years. "

think deeper wrote on Jan 24, 2007 12:58 PM:

" To all of you who are against this bill, think about this. If this bill were to pass then your daughter and grandchild would be able to feel safe getting medical attention when they were too afraid to tell you the truth. You will eventually find out when your insurance company sends you your EOB which usually only takes a couple of weeks. Otherwise you child may not tell you for months and may not seek any medical treatment. We all hope our children would wait to have sex but be realistic, it happens and has been happening for decades or more. As a parent I hope and pray my children wait until marriage but remembering back to my teenage years, I knew everything and I thought I could handle anything. Is any teenager any different. Put the well being of your child first. Remember, you will find out when that EOB arrives in the mail. "

Mouth from the South wrote on Jan 24, 2007 11:34 AM:

" This bill is appalling. Just another example of 'Big Brother' out there. Parents should have the moral and legal right to know precisely what their minor children are doing and who they are doing it with at any and all times if they so desire. And these teenagers should be afraid to face their parents. Do they really expect their parents to just jump up and down with joy? They have demonstrated highly irresponsible behavior in participating in sexual activities and getting pregnant long before they are mature enough to handle the consequences. That is why they have parents. Supposedly to guide them. And now the Government wants to help these immature teens keep a secret from their parents. Beyond me what someone is thinking here. "

Soldier wrote on Jan 24, 2007 11:23 AM:

" I worked for an insurance company and as a result I am very familiar with HIPPA privacy laws. HIPPA will not and can not keep your child's health care information from you. That should be the least of your worries. As far as going to the Dr. for treatment. The children can go in for an exam if the are pregnant (only if the bill passes) without notifying their parents; however, any procedures still require parent permission unless if the child's life is in immediate danger. I really don't see a problem with this bill. I hope it passes. "

C both Sides wrote on Jan 24, 2007 11:17 AM:

" Well I for one understand both sides of this story, first of all I was pregnant at 17 and had my daughter at 18 and was terrified to tell my parents. Now my daughter is 13 and could very well be coming to me anytime with this same kinda of situation absolutely horrifies me (I now am seeing it through a parents eyes) however I am still hoping that I have taught her enough up until this point that whenever she decides to have sex that she already knows what may happen. I can talk until I am blue in the face but she essentially will make her own decisions if they are the right ones or the wrong ones. If she should get pregnant yes I will angry, upset and probably feel that I have failed but can only imagine that it's the same feelings and emotions that my parents felt towards me. She will make wrong choices in life as I have and will continue to make but with the anger in some of these posts I can understand why this is an issue as if I was some of your children I would feel that I couldn't come to you either. Being a parent means raising, protecting and also "educating" your children on situations. It also means being supportive so don't make these children feel like they can't come to you and we wouldn't have these kinds of things being put into legislature. "

Mandan wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:45 AM:

" Either we treat minors as minors and have the parents take responsibility or we let the legislators do so but then they should get the bill. This is just another way for the government to micromanage us and now taking away from the parents the right to know what their teen is up to is ridiculous. It is bad enough that alot of kids have too much freedom now then 15-20 years ago they are growing up to fast and to leave them with such an important decisionmaking time is stupid. If I had a teenage girl who ended up pregnant and went to the doctor and they did not inform me then that doctor better swallow the cost because I sure would not pay that cost you want me out of the decision then you pay. Keep giving teens all these ways to hide information from their parents is just adding to a growing problem. "

Beesh wrote on Jan 24, 2007 9:26 AM:

" I can see if a teenage girl thinks she is pregnant and wants a doctor to confirm or deny it and doesn't want the parents to know. BUT if there is a pregnancy, that doctor has a duty to inform the parents. The teenage girl is a minor and the responsibility of the parent(s). If the child has credible evidence that the nature of her condition will result in abusive behaviour by the parent, then the child needs protection. In normal 'I got pregnant' circumstances, the parent and child need to work together and keep communication open. Keeping any and all visits a secret is just a way out for a teenager to keep secrets from mom and dad. "

Beesh wrote on Jan 24, 2007 9:03 AM:

" To 'to lentra' you said "'moral' behavior is what is defined by the norms of the majority." Dictionary.com defines 'morals' as "founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom." Morality is not defined by the masses, it is defined by a higher standard. God has defined eternal morality, not man. If the majority decided that killing red-headed freckled boys was okay, does that make it 'moral', NO!. Morals do not "change over time". Morailty is timeless. Norms probably change over time, but not morality. This is a dangerous line of thought that will allow any action to become 'moral'. That would cause the downfall of society just as Rome fell after they redefined morality. "

Lisa wrote on Jan 24, 2007 8:19 AM:

" It's pretty simple...this way more infants will have pre-natal care. The young mother to be isn't going to tell her parents either way if that's the deicison she has made (until she has to anyway) so w/ this bill, we will have more infants who had pre-natal care. And I don't even want to bring in the ramifications of rape. End of story. "

LJK wrote on Jan 24, 2007 5:26 AM:

" I would venture to guess that a lot of you who are against this bill are also pro-life. How does that work? Prenatal care and advice provides the best chance for a healthy pregnancy. It sounds like whatever her decision, the mother will be condemned by many of you. "

To the doctor: wrote on Jan 23, 2007 8:18 PM:

" If this flies and my daughter shows up in your office, don't send me the bill. I don't have to pay for anything that I don't consent to or authorize. After all, as a parent, can't I have SOME say? If I can't be a parent, I won't be a bank. So - again - if my daughter shows up in your office, DON'T send me the bill. I will not authorize my insurance company to pay it. Send her home to her parents, or dig in your freebie drawer for the vitamins. "

Communication wrote on Jan 23, 2007 6:39 PM:

" I am not a parent yet but will be someday. If all the people against this law feel left out of the equation then get into the equation. Talk with your kids about sex at young ages because if you don't everyone else around them will, so that if there comes a time when your child has sex at a young age and has something lets say pregnancy happen, they can confide in you, and know you are there for them. I hate to say it but this day in age sex in going younger and younger, so a parent talking to them is not going to provoke the behavior because it's disgusting hearing about sex from your parent's anyways. But if a parent invokes there order they can have a civilized conversation about sex and what you would do as a parent if your child got pregnant or got someone pregnant. It's your decision be the the one to stop the ball from rolling or be the one getting run over by it. Otherwise play 2nd person to doctors. "

What's the purpose? wrote on Jan 23, 2007 3:26 PM:

" The only purpose I see that this bill would serve would be to spare the daughter from the wrath of disappointed parents. If she wants good prenatal care, she can get it, by involving her parents in the pregnancy. Shutting them out does nothing for anyone. The only reason a daughter would need to be able to go to the dr. without the parents consent is just that - she's afraid of their reaction, period. So we have to have this law to save the kid from an uncomfortable situation, which will become parental knowledge in just a few months anyway. These girls NEED the guidance of their parents, and if they are afraid to tell them, so be it. It's a consequence to a bad choice, and the world will be full of those in their life times. When do we make these kids responsible and stop pampering them and enabling them to conduct themselves improperly? I can't believe it - a law so the teens don't have to face their parents. Unreal. Just another way to undermine the family structure. What other purpose would this law serve? "

Holy Smokes wrote on Jan 23, 2007 2:49 PM:

" Well the parents would have to send their daughter to the doctor anyway, so they should have to pay the bill whether they are aware or not. Does anyone not get that there is an innocent life at stake who is being put at risk due to the fear of a girl not being able to tell her parents? Let the girl meet with a doctor -- geez. Perhaps there should be some mandatory counseling to help tell her parents involved withe the appointment. "

Really wrote on Jan 23, 2007 1:27 PM:

" Do parents really think they are being replaced? I think a law like this needs more explanation but look at what the law is doing...its protecting a child having a child, I understand all the hoopla of medical bills and HIPPA, its understandable but really now people, how many stories have you read lately of babies being left in toilet bowls, being put in bags and thrown away like garbage, yes our young girls should not be having sex, but unfortunately our kids today are trying whatever is out there, alcohol, drugs, sex...and speaking from experience, I was 17 and pregnant and deathly scared of telling my mother, afraid she would make me have an abortion or make me give my baby away, I didnt have prenatal care but I knew I wanted my baby and I thank God for my 19 year old son today who is healthy and in college, yes this bill needs more detailed work and parents should have a say, and even though politics have come into play of parenthood, lets not forget to look thru the eyes of a child who is pregnant w/ her child. Thank you. "

What the heck???? wrote on Jan 23, 2007 12:38 PM:

" I think it's messed up that teens are screwing around in the first place, and now they can go to a doctor behind their parents back? And people wonder why why our world is crumbling to pieces. I sure would be ticked if I found out my daughter was pregnant and aborted an innocent baby. I don't care who pays for the operation, the parents need to be notified!!!!! "

Matt S. wrote on Jan 19, 2007 10:57 PM:

" To begin with these kind of laws undermine parental authority. Rather than propose a new law which in essence over writes existing law on this matter, make a proposal to repeal the current statute altogther and have the law remain silent on this issue. This way there would not be a legal requirement to have parental consent nor would there be a legal restraint on a girl in this situation from privately seeking medical care. This is a family matter and that is where it should stay. It belongs there unless you want all under age pregnant girls to become wards of the state by legal provision. "

WhoPays wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:49 PM:

" WHO PAYS???? BETTER NOT BE ME! If these girls and boys are out having sex then they can use their allowance money to pay for their SECRET doctoring. If THEY don't have the money to pay, then the parents need to be notified so they can flip the bill and pay for their childs decision to get pregnant. Better not be on my dime! "

Real Reason? wrote on Jan 19, 2007 4:53 PM:

" Maybe everyone should contact their Senator to ask about what event, person, or lobbying group asked for this piece of legislation. What is the REAL reason behind this piece of legislation??? Maybe there is more to the story than meets the eye? This could be important information to have before contacting your Representatives! For those of you concerned about your daughter having an abortion without your knowledge: "Sen. John Warner, D-Ryder, said the measure does not allow a minor to get an abortion without the knowledge of her parent or guardian." "

Responsible wrote on Jan 19, 2007 4:08 PM:

" Those of you who are all for this law to pass please tell me how two young kids who can't bring themselves to tell their parents she is pregnant how are they going to be responsible enough to raise a child? "

To good: wrote on Jan 19, 2007 2:38 PM:

" Let me get this right, you think the teens should seek medical care and pay for it out of their pockets? OK, my 15 year old doesn't have a dime that doesn't burn a hole in her pocket. The last place she would spend it would be on something necessary. Set up payments? She doesn't have a job, and wouldn't be able to work much longer, anyway. She also wouldn't have a clue as to the importance of medical care during pregnancy. The only reason she would seek out medical care would be for an abortion. The trend today is think of yourself first - so an abortion is a quick solution. Do you really think she should be faced with that kind of information and that kind of decision without her parents? She should go through all this alone because she might get yelled at? Because her parents may damage her little self esteem with a show of utter disappointment? Do we really need to save our kids from owning up and taking the consequences, or putting them off as long as possible? This is a home, not a boarding house. Our family cares about each other, and if I thought my child had the freedom to seek an abortion without us, I would be horrified. "

my posts? wrote on Jan 19, 2007 1:49 PM:

" Wondering why my posts aren't showing? Ugghhh, just discovered these comment things the other day but may as well spend time doing something else.. 1/2 my posts aren't showing up .. or they'll be posted for awhile then are gone ? "

SAHM Also... wrote on Jan 19, 2007 1:30 PM:

" I didn't know this law was already in effect...."State law already allows minors to consult a doctor without parental permission to get treatment for alcoholism, drug abuse and sexually transmitted diseases." WHAT!!?? That is CRAZY! Oh your child is an alcoholic and has herpes but we'll just keep that a secret too because secrets are good in families. And people wonder why things in society are getting out of control!!? Yet parents are expected to be ... PARENTS! Geeezzzz!!!! Many are going to want to say "well if the parent was doing their job it wouldn't happen in the first place" GET REAL. You can't have complete control over your child 24/7 for 18yrs. but if you can be kept from important information like this how can you continue to help, guide, and PARENT ?????????? "

SAHM wrote on Jan 19, 2007 1:25 PM:

" This blows my mind!!! If a child can get pregnant they should be able to tell their parent, and if they are scared to then go to the authorities for help I guess if its that serious. And if they are in for a butt chewing... maybe they deserve it. How many under 18 are really responsible enough to be having a baby? Not saying all aren't but they can't even buy a pack of smokes yet they should be allowed to keep a life a secret from their parents?! After all they were brave enought to go out and get pregnant. No parent should have to pay a bill for something they don't know about. That is down right rediculous!! Talk about encouraging deceieving behaviour in a family situation. Parents are suppose to be responsible, HOW can a parent be responsible for making sure their CHILD is taking care of themselves during a pregnancy when they don't even know about it. And you can't blame "bad parenting" for the child getting pregnant, there is to broad of situations that could have lead to them having sex. The #1 parents of the year could end up with a pregnant minor. geez. But if they are going to be expected to be responsible for the bills and helping their child after it is a done deal they deserve to know what is going on. This makes me so angry! YES, no matter what age a person should have prenatal care, BUT, the parent who gets the bill should know about it. And if the home is that scary that the pregnant minor can't tell the parents and face up to it... because they are sure going to have to face up to alot more and take alot more responsibility having a baby, then something needs to be done in that home anyway. Maybe a place for pregnant abused children where they can be protected from an abusive angry parent instead of teaching kids secrets are ok. Maybe we wouldn't have as many abusive people if secrets aren't ok. "

A Mom: wrote on Jan 19, 2007 1:18 PM:

" So, what are we parents, anyway? Chopped liver? Morals DON'T change, society just becomes more self-indulgent and self-gratifying, and disregards the morals to justify their own selfish actions. If these girls are so irresponsible in the first place and end up pregnant by playing adult games, do you really think they will be responsible enough to seek medical care? Most will probably be in denial until the pregnancy becomes obvious. They NEED their parents, whether they are afraid of owning up to their bad judgment or not. Stop making excuses for them and allowing them to deceive their parents and hide from their bad choices. Maybe what they need is a good lecture and some shame mentioned from the parents, stop trying to protect them from that. Let parents do their job. Yeah, yeah, if they did their job their daughter wouldn't be PG. Not necessarily so, because along with me trying to raise my daughter, I have to compete with peer pressure, the parents of my daughter’s friends who have no problem telling her what I should be letting her do, todays trends, and now our own state laws. This just further dissolves the morals and family values, structure and unit. Parents are being replaced. Yep, chopped liver. "

good. wrote on Jan 19, 2007 12:53 PM:

" I think this bill would ideally help our young teenagers. Yes, parents, would have to keep communication lines open just to be sure kids don't get themselves into situations where they would have to go to a doctor without their parents knowing. Saying that, if a situation occurs where a young adult doesn't feel comfortable telling a parent I think they should have the right to go to the doctor withouth the parents knowing - but should also have to pay for it themselves. I know not many of them can afford it, but they should have to work and make payments then - or tell their parents. That's what I think... "

Unbelievable! wrote on Jan 19, 2007 12:46 PM:

" The most important issue here is that the kids and baby get the health care that they need, when they need it. If the parents know or not. Not getting the crutial health care can be deadly. Maybe getting an unexpected medical bill in the mail will be a good slap in the face for the ignorant parents that make legislation like this necessary. If you are an ignorant parent, not knowing what your child is up to, I can see why you would be so defensive toward a law like this. "

Rebecca wrote on Jan 19, 2007 12:39 PM:

" I take one exception with this article. Pregnancy is not a disease like alcoholism, drug addiction, or STDs. I hope our society can start being more open-hearted towards pregnant women, no matter what stage they are at in life. That is why I agree with this bill. "

Conerned Parent wrote on Jan 19, 2007 11:58 AM:

" THIS BILL HAS NOT YET PASSED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOLKS. CONTACT YOUR STATE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE. YOU WILL FIND THEM AT www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/60-2007. CALL THEM!!!!!!THAT IS WHAT WE ELECTED THEM FOR!!!!! "

hmmmmmmmmm wrote on Jan 19, 2007 11:35 AM:

" pretty soon we will wait for the laws to determine all our actions my kid cant get licence to drive without my permisson, or go to the doc for an appointment alone for routine things..how long before we are given a legal schedule the number of children we have...what we can eat..oops some states already regulate trans fats..is there no end to gov interference in our lives..seat belts ..smoking..we need to learn to think for ourselves again "

To Reader wrote on Jan 19, 2007 10:52 AM:

" Good point! Go figure- a young girl can't tan under a certain age and all people under 18 can't use a cell phone while driving. But having a baby and making a choice of keeping it? If the legislature thinks young people can't make the right choice about tanning and cell phone use, how the heck are they going to be able to make a life changing decision about having a baby? This just doesn't make sense. Another good point made was- who's paying for the bills? I guess everybody else who is responsible pays for those who aren't. This also doesn't make sense. "

What the heck wrote on Jan 19, 2007 10:40 AM:

" Last time I checked...these girls were considered minors. Parents are responsible for their children. How can we be responsible for them if laws are taking away our ability to know what is really happening with them? As a teenager, you have made the conscious decision to engage in pre-marital sex. That is also a decision to own up for anything that happens after that. Kids need to learn responsibility for their actions! By not making them tell their parents of a pregnancy what are we really saying? It is ok to do whatever you want? I DON'T THINK SO!!! "

Too Funny! wrote on Jan 19, 2007 10:35 AM:

" Isn't if funny - a child can go to the doctor w/o parent(s) permission for prenatal care but can't go to the tanning bed. A child can go to the doctor w/o parent(s) permission for prenatal care but two consenting adults of the opposite sex can't live together. What next! "

Bonnie wrote on Jan 19, 2007 10:29 AM:

" I've read all these comments thus far and encourage all of you to contact your House Representative to voice your opinion with them as well. We have a government of the people and don't forget that the Senate already passed this bill (where were the voices for our children then, dont worry I am just as guilty) and its up to the House to pass it next. If you feel the way you do you have the power to tell as many people as you can that this bill will be heard once again for the people in front of the House. What will you do? "

Concerned Citizen wrote on Jan 19, 2007 10:20 AM:

" This bill seems like it is just another cover up because our society's morals and values continue to drop that now we have to allow children to go to the doctor without telling their parents because they may be afraid to. Look back to when the family structure was sound and stable, we would not need to waste our time and taxpayers money on such a bill. Instead of putting a "bandaid" on the overall problem of the disintegration of our families, morals, values and overall trust. It just contributes to allowing someone else to raise our children in a sense. "

parent also wrote on Jan 19, 2007 9:33 AM:

" I agree with all who have stated who is going to pay the bill. I don't think as a taxpayer I should be responsible for the payment until she gets the nerve to tell her parent(s). I don't know about the rest of you but my insurance company sends a statement shortly after the clinic has filed the claim and the statement tells me the date of visit, patients name, doctor, and amount of the doctor visit. So is this now going to be a HIPPA thing from the insurance companies, too? As a parent; who is paying the health insurance, I have the right to know why my child is seeing the doctor and I guess if the child is to scared to tell her parent(s) she is pregnant then she should of thought about that before she had sex. "

Unbelieveable! wrote on Jan 19, 2007 9:28 AM:

" Most of you are worried about having to spend a little money on the wellbeing of your teenager and her child. Maybe that is why they would not trust you enough to come clean and tell you about the pregnancy. Do your job as a parent. Teach your kids right and wrong, and good morals. Teach them that you will always support them, and their mistakes. Maybe it will help them make the right decision when it comes to premarital sex, and then you will not have to worry about what the bill was for, because it either will not come, or maybe you will know about the issue before the doctor visit. "

Parent 2 wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:56 AM:

" I wouldn't be surprised with the new HPPA rules that a parent would have to pay the bill but couldn't find out what it was for. We couldn't even make an appointment for our out-of-town-college child during Christmas break!!! "

RLC wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:54 AM:

" I don't think this bill will permit a doctor to advise on abortions...It WILL let the young girl go see a doctor and make sure she and the baby are ok prior to getting up the nerve to tell her parents. If she is able to hide it for 6 months or more (yes I know people who would be able to do that as they just didn't show until the last few months) and doesn't see a doctor until she HAS to because her parents now know, think of all the help and healthcare she is missing. It is best to see the doctor sooner rather than later. They need the medical care for themselves and the baby, they shouldn't be missing this because they can't tell their parent yet. Sometimes they just need to gather up the courage, and this would assist them until that time comes. "

Jane wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:50 AM:

" If the state wants to keep this a secret when the doctor and hospital bills come they should be sent to the legislators that voted for it. "

RJP wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:49 AM:

" In a State where farming is dominant, where the nucleus family created such an industry, it seems folly to create "laws" that undermine family. Smooth arguments, sad stories, etc. can always be created to turn one's attention away from a "root" cause toward a temporary solution. Then again, a narcissist doens't know any other way than to deal with one's self! "

mom wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:26 AM:

" So if the legislature feels that the parents don't need to know, then obviously the parents shouldn't need to pay the bills either. If I don't authorize the service, why should I be held accountable for my childs medical bills? Maybe the legislators should pay those medical bills instead of the parents? "

Dan wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:26 AM:

" Easy there, Lentra. It plainly states in the story that the measure does not allow a minor to get an abortion without the knowledge of her parent or guardian. And if the girl who's pregnant seeks medical attention, what business of YOURS is it if that doctor advises her on abortion? It's not your problem. As for accepting immoral behavior as normal, where have you been? Teenage girls have been getting knocked up since the beginning of humanity. It IS normal. "

reader wrote on Jan 19, 2007 8:14 AM:

" But... she will not be able to tan with out her parents permission! It all makes sense doesnt it? "

to lentra wrote on Jan 19, 2007 7:57 AM:

" You hit it exactly on the head without realizing it. 'moral' behavior is what is defined by the norms of the majority. That is the very definition of morals, a set of general guidelines generated by society at large. And here is the kicker, morals change over time. You can say yours never do, but the general morals of society are a constant moving target. Always have been, always will be. Keep in mind, not to many years ago it was considered immoral to be married to a African American. "

Huh? wrote on Jan 19, 2007 7:54 AM:

" To Lentra: If the parent was guiding the child's morals, she wouldn't be seeking prenatal counseling. Don't blame the legislature for stepping in when parental "moral guidance" fails. "

kimmy wrote on Jan 19, 2007 7:41 AM:

" If these girls are responsible and mature enough to be having sex, then they need to accept the responsibilities and situations that they are putting themselves into!!!! Totally against this!!! "

Parent wrote on Jan 19, 2007 7:20 AM:

" Who pays for these doctors visits? Are the parents responsible for the bill, but have not right knowing why? "

Lentra wrote on Jan 19, 2007 6:46 AM:

" This is just another bill that permits a doctor to advise on abortions. Little by little our legislature is eroding a parent's right to guide our children's morals. Little by little these new laws are demoralizing the public. Little by little we are accepting immoral behavior as normal. "

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